17:04:13 <aeperezt_mb> #startmeeting
17:04:13 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Oct 21 17:04:13 2013 UTC.  The chair is aeperezt_mb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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17:04:20 * LoKoMurdoK here
17:04:44 <aeperezt_mb> #topic rollcal
17:04:55 <robyduck> .fas robyduck
17:04:55 <zodbot> robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' <robyduck@gmail.com>
17:04:59 <LoKoMurdoK> .fas lbazan
17:05:00 <zodbot> LoKoMurdoK: lbazan 'Luis Enrique Bazán De León' <bazanluis20@gmail.com>
17:05:11 <aeperezt_mb> .fas aeperezt
17:05:14 <zodbot> aeperezt_mb: aeperezt 'Alejandro Perez' <alejandro.perez.torres@gmail.com>
17:05:36 <aeperezt_mb> sorry my internet was down
17:05:49 <aeperezt_mb> #chair aeperezt
17:05:49 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeperezt aeperezt_mb
17:06:26 <aeperezt> #chair robyduck LoKoMurdoK
17:06:26 <zodbot> Current chairs: LoKoMurdoK aeperezt aeperezt_mb robyduck
17:06:30 <aeperezt> sorry my internet connection was down I just recover it
17:06:36 <aeperezt> and still slow
17:06:44 <robyduck> aeperezt: np
17:06:53 <aeperezt> if I get of please apologise and carry on with out me
17:07:01 <aeperezt> crazy weekend for my ISP
17:07:38 <aeperezt> so there is only 3 of us
17:08:04 <aeperezt> #info sessivany is on Linux Con so he send his regrets
17:08:10 <LoKoMurdoK> aeperezt: ok
17:09:01 <aeperezt> #info Tuanta send his regrets
17:09:23 <aeperezt> any matter we can talk
17:10:28 <aeperezt> we have basically no quorum
17:10:45 <LoKoMurdoK> aeperezt: :(
17:10:53 <aeperezt> so we can waith a bit more to see if someone else shows up
17:11:01 <aeperezt> or we can end the meeting now
17:11:13 <LoKoMurdoK> aeperezt: the US$800 for the FAD?
17:11:22 <robyduck> aeperezt:
17:11:46 <aeperezt> LoKoMurdoK, nothing we can discuss and agreed on
17:11:46 <robyduck> anyone has an idea of what to prduce for F20 Release Party owners as gift?
17:12:19 <LoKoMurdoK> aeperezt: ok
17:12:32 <aeperezt> robyduck, well people was mentioning the tshirts but
17:12:50 <aeperezt> we need to produce it like the last time
17:13:00 <robyduck> indeed
17:13:01 <aeperezt> so not sure what else
17:13:25 <robyduck> so we decided to search another gift that would be nice
17:13:28 <aeperezt> I think if we have pins by then we can prioritise them and send them a pin
17:13:39 * robyduck hasn't any idea, but as we are talking today...
17:13:48 <robyduck> uhmmm...
17:14:12 <aeperezt> robyduck, unless we want to do something else
17:14:36 <robyduck> :)
17:14:37 <aeperezt> robyduck, we can do special sticker for f20 and send it to them
17:15:10 <aeperezt> stickers can be easy to produce some how locally and easy to send by email
17:15:16 <robyduck> why not, we should collect our ideas somewhere
17:15:23 <aeperezt> what we need is some design
17:16:07 <aeperezt> robyduck, stickers can be easy made and we do need to produce a vas quantity
17:17:29 <cwickert> .fas cwickert
17:17:29 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@googlemail.com>
17:17:36 * cwickert is sorry to be late
17:18:05 <aeperezt> good then we have quorum
17:18:06 <robyduck> oh we have a quorum now
17:18:13 <aeperezt> welcome cwickert
17:18:51 <LoKoMurdoK> :-)
17:19:21 <cwickert> so, what's on the agenda?
17:19:47 <aeperezt> cwickert, nothing big as far as I can see
17:20:27 <aeperezt> we were talking about ideas about f20 release party owners
17:20:38 <cwickert> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/report/9
17:20:44 <aeperezt> at lease on the famsco track
17:21:09 <aeperezt> #chair cwickert
17:21:09 <zodbot> Current chairs: LoKoMurdoK aeperezt aeperezt_mb cwickert robyduck
17:21:17 <cwickert> I think we can close some of the old tickets
17:22:49 <cwickert> aeperezt: what kind of ideas?
17:23:31 <aeperezt> what items we can send them
17:23:37 <aeperezt> like the tshirt last time
17:24:02 <aeperezt> I think we can priotitise a Fedora pin to be send to them if we have them
17:24:15 <aeperezt> or produce a special f20 stiker
17:25:44 <cwickert> the pins should be ready in a week
17:26:12 <cwickert> I think we should stick to shirts
17:26:13 <robyduck> we also have badges now...instead of t-shirts
17:26:29 <aeperezt> robyduck, yes we have the badges too
17:26:30 <cwickert> we have or we want?
17:26:49 <robyduck> cwickert: we have badges we could use as a gift :)
17:26:53 <aeperezt> robyduck, the issue with badges is how we can asign it to someone
17:26:59 <cwickert> robyduck: enough?
17:27:40 <robyduck> well, it would be easy to assign them (manually), much more than sending t-shirts around the world
17:28:01 <robyduck> but anyway, it's just an idea I had in this moment ;)
17:28:50 <aeperezt> robyduck, we sould approach the badge idea as we also need a way to give badges for ambassadors events
17:29:13 <robyduck> ^^
17:32:55 * cwickert cannot really follow
17:33:11 <cwickert> I mean, what are we talking about now?
17:33:32 <cwickert> we want something like the schrödinger's cat shirts but for f20, right?
17:34:03 <robyduck> yes
17:34:08 <cwickert> ok
17:34:10 <aeperezt_mb> yes
17:34:23 <cwickert> so the shirts are release specific
17:34:47 <cwickert> means, they have custom artwork for that release
17:34:54 <cwickert> does that apply to the badges, too?
17:35:43 <cwickert> hello?
17:36:33 <cwickert> does someone have a picture of the badges?
17:36:56 <robyduck> cwickert: no, we don't have any badges
17:37:20 <robyduck> we was talking about replacing the t-shirts, which are release specific, with a release specific badge
17:37:25 <cwickert> (19:26:49) robyduck: cwickert: we have badges we could use as a gift :)
17:37:52 <robyduck> this way we could have them also for the next releases, if we want (with release specific design)
17:37:58 <cwickert> argh
17:38:19 <cwickert> if the design is release specific, you cannot reuse it next time
17:38:31 <robyduck> oh, no we *have* the badges program, and we could use this
17:38:48 <cwickert> ah
17:38:50 <robyduck> no, sure, we need another design
17:39:01 <robyduck> but the idea could remain the same
17:39:04 <cwickert> dude, I completely misunderstood you
17:39:15 <cwickert> I thought you were talking about something *real*
17:39:24 <robyduck> not your fault, I wrote in a hurry, sorry
17:39:39 <cwickert> ok, sure, a badge for release party owners, sure
17:39:50 <cwickert> I think we all agree
17:39:58 <cwickert> who is going to do it?
17:40:00 <robyduck> no, sadly the only real thing we have, is that badges now exist and are very nice
17:40:10 <cwickert> I mean, do we file a ticket somewhere?
17:40:24 <robyduck> yes, I can file a ticket in the badges track
17:40:32 <robyduck> or anyone else if he wants
17:40:36 <aeperezt> cwickert, yes we need to file a ticket dor the badges on the track
17:40:49 <robyduck> any idea about the name?
17:40:50 <aeperezt> but we also need a way to asign the badge
17:40:59 <aeperezt> robyduck, relese party
17:41:01 <cwickert> #action robyduck to file a ticket for the F20 release party badge
17:41:13 <cwickert> "F20 Release Party"
17:41:17 <cwickert> simple and clean
17:41:22 <aeperezt> robyduck, party badge
17:41:24 <robyduck> aeperezt: we need to do this manually, no way to assign them automatically
17:41:27 <LoKoMurdoK> Fedora release party Badges for the owner (name)
17:41:42 <cwickert> they cannot have anything with the owner it it
17:41:44 <aeperezt> robyduck, yes manually but is the a procedure for that?
17:41:59 <cwickert> the way is to file a ticket
17:42:08 <robyduck> no, we need to get in contact with ralph
17:42:27 <cwickert> yes, and you are taking care of this, robyduck
17:42:34 <cwickert> I mean, what's there to discuss?
17:43:07 <robyduck> I will try to put all this info in the ticket, will send the ticket then to the FAmSCo ML so anyone can add his thoughts
17:43:13 <robyduck> cwickert: ok
17:43:26 <cwickert> can we please move on?
17:43:37 <cwickert> I mean, what is so difficult about a badge?
17:44:08 * cwickert is sorry if he sounds rude, he had a long and exhausting day
17:44:16 <robyduck> nothing, but we decided this evening to make one
17:44:43 * robyduck thinks there is nothing else to *move on*, so...
17:44:50 <cwickert> who has questions about the badge?
17:45:20 <cwickert> ok, then lets move
17:45:22 <cwickert> on
17:45:40 <cwickert> I would like to discuss what is to replace the shirts
17:46:09 <cwickert> I mean, a badge is just something virtual, release party people should still get something real
17:46:22 <cwickert> yes or no?
17:46:32 <aeperezt> cwickert, yes
17:47:00 <cwickert> more opinions?
17:47:18 <aeperezt> cwickert, I think we can replace the tshirt with a sticket
17:47:21 <LoKoMurdoK> I think "yes"
17:47:24 <aeperezt> *sticker
17:47:36 <aeperezt> it will be easy to send to people
17:47:47 <LoKoMurdoK> aeperezt: more easy to produce...
17:48:06 <robyduck> aeperezt: but the effort is the same as shipping t-shirts
17:48:14 <aeperezt> some may find it not as valuable as a tshirt but will cost less to produce and send
17:48:36 <cwickert> one step at a time please
17:49:07 <cwickert> do we all agree we want to continue with incentives for the release party organizers?
17:49:26 <cwickert> robyduck: I think you didn't say anything
17:49:32 <aeperezt> robyduck, what ever we do will have the same issue mailing it, the part of cost and shipping will be easier on a sticker than a tshirt
17:49:33 <LoKoMurdoK> cwickert: agreed!
17:49:57 <aeperezt> cwickert, we need to
17:50:01 <robyduck> cwickert: I agree, should we keep also the same procedure?
17:50:08 <cwickert> argh
17:50:20 <cwickert> "one step at a time" :)
17:50:23 <robyduck> I mean, Release Party Owners *and* F20 contributors of all the teams?
17:51:28 <cwickert> robyduck: I don't know, I don't see any reason to change anything there
17:51:42 <robyduck> yep, me neither
17:51:54 <cwickert> ok, then why bring up this question?
17:52:10 <cwickert> lets focus on the things we want to discuss
17:52:28 <robyduck> because you are talking only about the RP owners :)
17:53:02 <cwickert> so we agree we want something, we don't want to change the circle of eligible people
17:53:11 <cwickert> the only question is *what*
17:53:18 <cwickert> I suggest we stick to shirts
17:53:25 <cwickert> others have suggested stickers
17:53:43 <cwickert> I don't think we should decide now as we are only a few people
17:53:53 <cwickert> there is plenty of other stuff one could produce
17:54:02 <cwickert> but shirts are generally good value for money
17:54:07 <cwickert> and easy to ship
17:54:30 <cwickert> how about we collect ideas this week and decide next in meeting?
17:54:56 <robyduck> maybe on a ticket or ML?
17:55:09 <aeperezt> yes
17:55:28 <cwickert> robyduck: why do you always answer with a counter-question? ;)
17:56:04 <aeperezt> robyduck, ticket it better
17:56:59 <LoKoMurdoK> Ok
17:57:15 <cwickert> I think we should discuss this on the ML
17:57:25 <cwickert> but that's just my opinion
17:57:27 <robyduck> cwickert: I will let you speak then, it was an answer to your question, with 2 alternatives
17:57:53 <cwickert> robyduck: sorry, I just want to finish this meeeting
17:59:41 <cwickert> anybody wants to say anything?
18:00:53 <LoKoMurdoK> pass it to the Mailing list and get ideas to the next meeting
18:01:05 <cwickert> does everybody agree?
18:01:10 <LoKoMurdoK> +1
18:01:26 <LoKoMurdoK> aeperezt robyduck ?
18:01:32 <aeperezt> +1
18:01:44 <LoKoMurdoK> robyduck: ?
18:01:47 <LoKoMurdoK> :-)
18:02:55 * LoKoMurdoK mm..
18:02:56 <robyduck> +1
18:03:00 <robyduck> sorry
18:03:01 <LoKoMurdoK> cwickert: ok
18:03:11 <LoKoMurdoK> cwickert: for the next meeting!
18:03:22 <cwickert> thanks
18:03:55 <LoKoMurdoK> aeperezt: thats all? or have other topic?
18:04:02 <aeperezt> LoKoMurdoK, no
18:04:07 <cwickert> #action: all famsco members to think about F20 release party crew presents
18:04:09 <aeperezt> we can end the meeting then
18:04:13 <robyduck> yes
18:04:18 <LoKoMurdoK> yes
18:04:19 <cwickert> yes please
18:04:22 <cwickert> #endmeeting