17:00:01 #startmeeting FAmSCo 2013-11-04 17:00:01 Meeting started Mon Nov 4 17:00:01 2013 UTC. The chair is sesivany. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:01 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:03 #meetingname famsco 17:00:03 The meeting name has been set to 'famsco' 17:00:08 #topic Roll Call 17:00:15 .fas eischmann 17:00:18 sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' 17:00:31 .fas aeperez 17:00:32 aeperezt: aeperezt 'Alejandro Perez' 17:00:34 .fas aeperezt 17:00:35 aeperezt: aeperezt 'Alejandro Perez' 17:00:42 tuanta: ping 17:00:51 .fas tuanta 17:00:52 tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' 17:01:55 .fas cwickert 17:01:55 cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' 17:03:09 aeperezt: do you have any info about LokoMurdok? is he coming? 17:04:16 sesivany, not sure today, he is moving to another job so he is been quite busy lately 17:04:31 aeperezt: ok 17:04:36 let's start then 17:04:47 #info Robert sent regrets, he is on holidays 17:04:47 we've got a new ticket in our trac. 17:05:07 * cwickert will meet with Robert and gsforna later tonight 17:05:36 cwickert: nice, enjoy your beer ;) 17:05:44 we will :) 17:06:09 nice, cwickert. I missed it :) 17:06:11 #topic Ticket #352 - EMEA Mentor Nomination: Keiran Smith [affix] 17:06:23 we've got a ticket in our trac. 17:06:25 .fanso 352 17:06:29 .famso 352 17:06:34 cwickert: thanks 17:06:42 zodbot not workee? 17:06:44 .famsco 352 17:06:44 https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/352 17:06:44 .famsco 352 17:06:47 ah 17:06:47 https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/352 17:07:20 Paul Mellors nominates Keiran Smith to become a mentor. 17:07:40 has anybody ever met Keiran in RL? 17:07:49 cwickert: I have 17:07:50 * cwickert is not sure, but thinks he met him 17:07:58 and your personal impression? 17:08:07 at LinuxCon Europe, two weeks ago 17:08:14 should we make him mentor? I think we should/could 17:08:29 cwickert: a good guy, enthusiastic about Fedora 17:08:58 yes, I think so 17:09:04 it was a bit difficult to understand him because of his heavy Scottish accent :) 17:09:14 sesivany, do we need another mentor on Emea 17:09:15 :) 17:09:19 we have talked a lot in private chats 17:09:30 so as long as he communicates with candidates written way, it's ok :D 17:09:43 aeperezt: I think having one for the UK is good, because the UK community really needs to grow 17:10:24 Affix has also been with Fedora Project for many years. 17:10:26 cwickert, if you think it is needed that is good 17:10:44 and he is also active in other roles: packager,... 17:10:54 he has been around in Fedora for a long time. He may not be steady, but who of us really is? we are all busy sometimes 17:10:58 +1 from me 17:11:04 +1 17:11:26 I have no reason to against this. Also +1 from me 17:11:44 .fasinfo Affix 17:11:45 tuanta: User "Affix" doesn't exist 17:12:02 +1 17:12:50 #agreed FAmSCo agrees to the EMEA mentor nomination for Keiran Smith 17:13:04 .fasinfo affix 17:13:05 tuanta: User: affix, Name: Keiran Smith, email: fedora@affix.me, Creation: 2007-10-04, IRC Nick: affix, Timezone: UTC, Locale: en, GPG key ID: B85F3730, Status: active 17:13:08 tuanta: Approved Groups: cla_fedora cla_done ambassadors packager fedorabugs designteam gitfedora-insight-theme sysadmin web fedora-uk cla_fpca 17:14:05 btw I'm not mentoring two new candidates from Scotland. 17:14:13 so the community is on the rise there. 17:14:45 s/not/now?! 17:15:14 They'd better be because Affix told me he was pretty sure that Scotland would separate from the UK. So they need to build their own community :) 17:15:33 cwickert: thank, I meant "now" of course. 17:15:48 k 17:16:10 ok, let's move on to the next topic. 17:16:28 #topic Swag for APAC 17:16:47 tuanta: did you pick up the swag in Berlin? 17:17:02 I got all of them. Thanks sesivany and cwickert 17:17:13 ! 17:17:39 cwickert: go ahead 17:17:43 aeperezt: is it ok if I send 500 pins to you and 500 to LokoMurdok? 17:18:04 please send me your shipping address 17:18:23 cwickert: ok 17:18:39 cwickert: LATAM only wanted 500? Wasn't it 1000? 17:18:49 pins are so cool 17:19:09 sesivany: 500 + 500 = 1000 17:19:27 I can also send them to one place 17:19:46 cwickert: ok, I get it now 17:19:51 #action cwickert to figure out where to send the pins for LATAM 17:20:06 we will discuss this by mail, lets not waste time here 17:20:37 ok 17:20:45 next topic... 17:21:03 #topic "10 years of Fedora" t-shirts 17:21:13 We've started working on this. 17:21:34 robyduck has asked the design team to create an artwork for it. 17:21:44 cwickert, yes 17:21:53 I got an approval from Ruth in terms of budget. 17:22:09 mailga will take care of administration. 17:22:26 cwickert, 500 on total or 500 each of us 17:22:35 aeperezt: 500 each 17:22:40 so everything is on the right way 17:22:41 I take care of production and my assistant of shipping. 17:23:06 cwickert, then no problem send them to us 17:23:15 ok 17:25:11 btw I'm producing "10 years of Fedora" stickers for EMEA. If other regions are interested, you can join us. Or you can use local vendor. There are many vendors who produce stickers. 17:25:53 cool, sesivany. can you give us the design. 17:26:18 tuanta: yes, mnt... 17:26:20 sesivany, we can produce our own but how we manage budget for it 17:26:49 sesivany, if design is good we all can produce them locally but what budget for it? 17:27:26 aeperezt: currently, we don't have any extra budget for it. EMEA will pay it from our local budget for swag. 17:27:34 aeperezt: I think, you can count it to regional budget normally. 17:28:28 sesivany, tuanta we have no budget left on this quarter and the next is really low 17:28:43 #link https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1309518/10%20years%20fedora.pdf 17:28:46 and we have to produce f20 media 17:30:04 In any case I will try a local sponsor to get some printed 17:30:09 I'd love to hear from the NA community what they are going to do with their budget. 17:30:49 because I don't want to end up with 20 grand unspent. 17:31:17 sesivany: can you post the source (svg) onto a wiki? 17:31:26 if they tell us, they won't be able to spend it. Then we'll have more than enough extra money for other regions. 17:31:59 tuanta: it was produced by gnokii. He didn't give me an svg. 17:33:32 cwickert: any idea what to do with NA? 17:33:55 nope 17:34:06 I mean, who is in charge of the budget? 17:34:12 or better of the planning 17:34:52 I think we would need to reach out to those responsible, both for the budget as well as the individual events 17:34:59 cwickert: I don't think there is any planning after they created the budget at FUDCon Lawrence :/ 17:35:16 if somebody requested money for an event, but did not spend it, the question is why 17:35:25 did they not go? was it cheaper etc 17:35:58 cwickert: the problem is that their budget is very general: something like: $10000 on swag, $5000 on local events,... 17:36:33 you know what? lets just spend the money elsewhere 17:36:54 cwickert: that's what I'm doing already. 17:37:31 cwickert: I'm spending over our local budget because I'm pretty sure NA won't spend everything they have. 17:37:49 great 17:37:58 cool 17:38:02 just make sure to have an eye on it 17:38:12 and keep in mind thatr NA might come up with more expenses 17:38:27 that are not tracked anywhere as they are directly paid by somebody @ RH 17:38:37 but on the other hand: not our problem 17:38:44 :) 17:38:55 I'll try to reach out to Ruth regarding this. She's the only one who has some idea about spending in NA although I don't think she controls or plans it. She mostly just collects invoices and reports back. 17:38:55 +1 cwickert 17:39:49 well, at least she spends and reports 17:39:52 sesivany, there some feed back 17:40:05 cwickert: funny thing is that what Ruth reported back based on RH financial data is much less than what we actually spent. There are expenses of thousands of dollars missing. 17:40:38 and I'm 100% sure that those expenses landed in RHT accounting by deadlines. 17:40:52 :) 17:40:53 it just disappeared somewhere :) 17:41:08 so strange 17:41:26 a very wise man once said "I miss the part where this is my problem." 17:41:30 if Red Hat argues we spent too little in the last year, I will argue that they don't even have an idea how much we actually spent. 17:41:53 sesivany, right 17:42:43 sesivany, we as latam only use Neville credit card he report every month we have had times were the card has reach it limits 17:42:58 #action sesivany to write Ruth and ask her about NA spendings and plans for Q3-Q4. 17:43:45 and we account our spending so if RH cannot account what we spend then it is going to be very hard to argue next year budget 17:44:35 aeperezt: in other regions, it's more complicated. in EMEA, we use kital's credit card, I pay some expenses with my credit card and transfer it to Fedora cost center, some expenses are paid by Red Hat directly. But we still have control over it because I collect all those expenses and report them on our budget wiki page. 17:45:03 sesivany, we are doing the same 17:45:43 sesivany, my worries is how RH will match our expenses with the budget requested if they cannot keep track of expenses and in latam 17:46:02 case we only have one way to expend money so it should be easy to track 17:46:16 anyway, it's something we can't solve without cooperation of NA. I'm just saying don't be overly worried if you're spending a couple of hundreds over the limit. 17:46:59 if you don't have any other specific topic, I'll switch to open floor. 17:47:46 * cwickert has nothing 17:47:48 #topic Openfloor 17:48:51 I just want to inform you that the next meeting will be my last till the beginning of December. I'm taking 3 weeks of holiday and going to travel in Asia, won't be online during that time. 17:49:19 sesivany, good enjoy it 17:49:30 aeperezt: can you please take over the session chairing as a vice-chair during the time of my absence? 17:50:01 dude! 17:50:05 sesivany: if you decide to go to Hanoi, please drop me a line :) 17:50:08 holidays again? 17:50:21 sesivany, I will do 17:50:26 sesivany: I think I have to talk to your manager! :P 17:50:33 :) 17:50:37 cwickert, +1 17:50:48 cwickert: yes, the Labour Code has changed and I have to use all my holiday till the end of the year or I'll lose them :-/ 17:51:00 and I've saved a lot of days off :) 17:51:00 sesivany, o 17:51:12 sesivany: then why not lose them? 17:51:15 just kidding 17:51:26 * cwickert will try to host meetings, too 17:51:28 ! 17:51:37 cwickert: go ahead 17:51:38 while we are at it 17:51:42 sesivany, we will sure miss you, probably will be another famsco when you come back 17:51:46 let is please try to focus on the meetings 17:51:50 recently I hosted one 17:51:57 and I nearly freaked out 17:52:04 sorry if I was grumpy or so 17:52:11 but we need to all focus 17:52:26 I mean, we cannot ask 5 people for their +1 and wait for one minute each 17:52:45 so it is important that we have one person leading the meeting and a clear agenda 17:52:51 and all the others please focus 17:53:04 the more focused you are, the shorter the meeting gets 17:53:09 and this is good for all of us 17:53:10 EOF 17:53:19 +1 cwickert 17:53:39 especially for tuanta, it's really late for him 17:53:41 +1 cwickert 17:53:49 anyway, I think this is a wrap 17:54:04 and sorry if I sounded grumpy in that meeting :) 17:54:07 I agree. I'm chairing the meetings, so I can't afford not to pay attention. But I would definitely appreciate faster reactions of others. 17:54:32 from time to time, I feel like I'm speaking with myself :) 17:55:00 sesivany, agreed 17:55:04 it wasn't the case of this meeting fortunately :) 17:55:42 ok, I think that's all 17:55:46 I am just thinking and typing slowly. I always focus on the meeting. 17:56:03 a big thanks to sesivany for chairing all the meetings 17:56:22 sesivany: but you will be at Rheinfelden, right? 17:56:23 if it's all, thank you everyone for attending today and meet you next week. I still will be here :) 17:56:29 cwickert: yes 17:56:32 ok 17:56:40 I'll return on Nov 30. 17:57:04 #endmeeting