17:04:21 <cwickert> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2013-11-25
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17:04:38 <cwickert> #topic Roll call
17:04:42 <cwickert> .fas cwickert
17:04:44 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@googlemail.com>
17:04:50 <tuanta> .fas tuanta
17:04:51 <zodbot> tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com>
17:05:01 <LoKoMurdoK> .fas lbazan
17:05:02 <zodbot> LoKoMurdoK: lbazan 'Luis Enrique Bazán De León' <bazanluis20@gmail.com>
17:05:25 <cwickert> #info sesivany sent regrets, he his on holidays
17:05:37 <aeperezt> .fas aeperezt
17:05:37 <zodbot> aeperezt: aeperezt 'Alejandro Perez' <alejandro.perez.torres@gmail.com>
17:08:04 * cwickert counts 4 people
17:08:16 <cwickert> who is missing?
17:08:27 <LoKoMurdoK> robyduck: ping
17:08:38 <aeperezt> LoKoMurdoK, thanks
17:08:56 <LoKoMurdoK> aeperezt: :-)
17:09:16 <tuanta> and bckurera
17:09:27 <cwickert> does anybody know what's up with bckurera?
17:09:31 <aeperezt> thanks tuanta
17:09:53 <tuanta> cwickert: I have no idea
17:10:09 <cwickert> I mean, we warned him we would remove him from famsco, he showed up once or twice, but it's the same story again
17:10:40 <aeperezt> cwickert, right
17:10:48 <cwickert> should we ask sesivany to get in touch with him again?
17:11:01 <tuanta> it is closed to the next election now
17:11:02 <cwickert> or should we just wait? I mean, the elections are not too far away
17:11:05 <cwickert> ok
17:11:17 <aeperezt> cwickert,  right
17:11:23 <cwickert> everybody agrees that we wait?
17:11:28 <tuanta> +1
17:11:33 <LoKoMurdoK> +1
17:11:39 <aeperezt> +1
17:11:55 <tuanta> I think we do not need to do anything, just wait for the next election
17:12:07 <cwickert> #agreed: FAmSCo is unhappy about the repeated absence of bckurera but will note remove him from the committee as the elections are around the corner
17:12:19 <cwickert> ok, let's move on
17:12:32 <aeperezt> tuanta, agreed but we need to make sure that this kind of things do not happen
17:12:49 <LoKoMurdoK> card holder?
17:12:49 <aeperezt> the same happen before
17:13:02 * cwickert logs in...
17:13:23 <aeperezt> when we wanted to do something the term was over so we have horphan seat for a while
17:13:27 <tuanta> next topic?
17:13:31 <cwickert> #link: the agenda for today#s meeting can be found https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/report/9
17:13:47 <cwickert> seems outdated
17:14:17 <cwickert> anything we actually have to discuss?
17:14:36 <cwickert> .famsco 333
17:14:36 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/333
17:14:47 <tuanta> I have some updates about CC card holder for APAC
17:14:51 <cwickert> #topic RH Community Credit Card holder for APAC
17:15:01 <cwickert> tuanta: please go ahead
17:15:08 <tuanta> I put them to the ticket too
17:15:27 <aeperezt> tuanta,  did you contact him or Suehelen
17:15:34 <tuanta> finally, I got confirmation from Kushal
17:15:58 <tuanta> he told me that he is leaving Red Hat
17:16:02 <cwickert> aeperezt: you mean Ruth?
17:16:07 <aeperezt> cwickert, yes
17:16:30 <cwickert> ok
17:16:36 <tuanta> so, now he is not Red Hat employee any more
17:16:37 <cwickert> I think there is not much we can do
17:16:49 <cwickert> except to poke rsuehle
17:17:26 <cwickert> I think rsuehle and rbergeron need to tell their boss(es) that we have no candidates who work at RH
17:17:49 <tuanta> In this case, I think KageSenshi is more appropriated since he has been approved by APAC community in the regional meeting
17:17:56 <cwickert> so they need to talk to the finance guys and make it clear that we cannot fulfill this requirement
17:18:09 <tuanta> yes, cwickert
17:18:43 <aeperezt> tuanta izhar is RH employee?
17:18:48 <tuanta> s/appropriated/suitable (sorry, my bad English)
17:18:48 <cwickert> no
17:18:54 <tuanta> no
17:19:12 <cwickert> so the way forward is: ask rsuehle and rbergeron to talk to finance, and then make KageSenshi the CC holder
17:19:18 <cwickert> does everybody agree?
17:19:28 <aeperezt> +1
17:19:34 <LoKoMurdoK> +1
17:19:42 <tuanta> yes, I think it is the best way now
17:19:43 <tuanta> +1
17:20:12 <tuanta> I can take this action
17:20:19 <tuanta> please mark one to me
17:20:51 <cwickert> +1
17:21:56 <cwickert> #agreed tuanta to ask rsuehle and rbergeron to talk to the finance people and convince them to allow a non-RH person as CC holder for APAC. Once they have green light, make KageSenshi the CC holder
17:22:19 <LoKoMurdoK> next topic EMEA mentor nomination? ticket #352?
17:22:54 <cwickert> .famsco 352
17:22:56 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/352
17:23:06 <aeperezt> LoKoMurdoK, that ticket was voted before
17:23:18 <cwickert> #topic EMEA Mentor Nomination: Keiran Smith
17:23:23 <cwickert> this was approved already
17:23:31 <cwickert> but I wonder how we move on?
17:23:32 <aeperezt> cwickert, right
17:23:38 <aeperezt> it is on the ticket
17:23:44 <LoKoMurdoK> aeperezt: ok
17:24:03 <tuanta> it's final decision, right?
17:24:07 <cwickert> yes
17:24:08 <tuanta> any other steps?
17:24:09 <aeperezt> tuanta, yes
17:24:23 <cwickert> tuanta: can you make him sponsor in FAS?
17:24:40 <tuanta> yes, I think that is the final step
17:24:46 <tuanta> I will do
17:24:59 <tuanta> please mark me one more action
17:25:53 <LoKoMurdoK> cwickert: I think we can close this ticket?
17:25:54 * tuanta is looking up to make sure his name is listed on the Ambassador Mentors wiki
17:26:06 <cwickert> #action tuanta to add affix to the sponsors in FAS
17:26:31 <cwickert> #undo
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17:26:38 <cwickert> tuanta: just upgraded him
17:26:45 <cwickert> so FAS is done
17:26:47 <tuanta> yes, I know
17:26:53 <cwickert> only the wiki needs to be edited
17:27:04 <cwickert> I did it 20 seconds ago, you cannot know it ;)
17:27:04 <tuanta> I will do it now. Just a moment
17:27:09 <cwickert> ok
17:27:15 <cwickert> any other business?
17:27:24 <cwickert> s/business/tickets
17:27:37 <cwickert> if not, I suggest we continue with the schedule
17:27:43 <tuanta> thanks :)
17:28:15 <aeperezt> no from me
17:28:19 <LoKoMurdoK> nop
17:28:20 <aeperezt> so we can continue
17:28:37 <tuanta> yes, next topic
17:29:34 <cwickert> #topic Schedule
17:29:45 <cwickert> #link http://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-20/f-20-ambassadors-tasks.html
17:29:59 <cwickert> so, we need to hurry up with release events
17:30:09 <cwickert> it's my fault I did not send out the announcement yet
17:31:01 <tuanta> some teams are preparing already but it's better to send an official announcement
17:31:18 <cwickert> #info official release is 2013-12-10, let's hurry up
17:31:29 <cwickert> I will send the call out right after this meeting
17:31:30 <aeperezt> ok
17:31:42 <cwickert> #action cwickert to send out the call for release events
17:32:41 <cwickert> #action cwickert to send aeperezt the pins
17:32:47 <cwickert> aeperezt: I will do this tomorrow
17:32:59 <aeperezt> cwickert, thanks
17:33:12 <cwickert> are all regions prepared? do you have enough swag?
17:33:20 <cwickert> I think EMEA and APAC should be fine
17:33:31 <cwickert> what about NA and LATAM?
17:34:12 <aeperezt> cwickert, we need to made media for f20 we are low on swags and budget for next quarter, but we have enought to cover release parties and produce media
17:35:05 <cwickert> ouch
17:35:16 <cwickert> did we discuss media at all?
17:35:35 <aeperezt> on famsco not
17:35:44 <cwickert> locally?
17:35:53 <aeperezt> we have a reserve to produce f20 media locally
17:35:58 <aeperezt> latam
17:36:10 <aeperezt> at least not sure other regions
17:36:21 * cwickert does not know if it was discussed in EMEA
17:38:21 * cwickert still looks
17:38:23 <tuanta> it has not been discussed in APAC yet but I think we will produce them locally per country as usual
17:39:01 <cwickert> EMEA request: https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/307
17:39:36 <tuanta> we have a chance to distribute them if we can organize APAC FAD on January, but I think almost release parities are over at that time
17:39:42 <cwickert> what if we produced all media in EMEA?
17:40:18 <aeperezt> cwickert, not sure it will be ready
17:40:26 <aeperezt> on time to have them on Latam
17:40:42 <aeperezt> we produce on Brazil
17:40:42 <cwickert> how long does it take?
17:41:01 <LoKoMurdoK> the problem is to send all media or not
17:41:02 <tuanta> it is not easy to distribute them, especially in APAC
17:41:27 <cwickert> my idea was: have everything produced in EMEA, then ship them to hubs, say to tuanta and aeperezt
17:41:30 <aeperezt> we know we can produce on brasil and distribute on brasil
17:41:36 <cwickert> and from their they can be distributed
17:41:40 <tuanta> swag is ok but we need media in a short time (almost for release parties)
17:41:45 <cwickert> but it will be at least one more week
17:41:57 <cwickert> we usually need a week to produce them in EMEA
17:42:09 <cwickert> but we would need one week to ship them to LATAM and APAC
17:42:11 <aeperezt> cwickert, that could work but will depend on how much it cost to ship and then we can redistribute
17:42:18 <cwickert> and then local distribution starts
17:42:25 <cwickert> but I guess it is to slow, right?
17:42:45 <aeperezt> right
17:42:46 <cwickert> and local distribution is probably expensive
17:42:56 <cwickert> ok, this is too late for this cycle
17:43:06 <cwickert> we should evaluate this for next year
17:43:16 <tuanta> can we estimate how long it takes to each country?
17:43:24 <cwickert> I mean, we need numbers, how long it takes and how much it is
17:43:33 <tuanta> yes, cwickert
17:43:44 <cwickert> so from EMEA to anywhere in the world should not take more than a week
17:43:58 <cwickert> but anyway, let's just keep the idea in mind
17:44:08 <aeperezt> cwickert, on latam any standard mail shipping take 2 week at minimal from Panama
17:44:14 <cwickert> I will file a ticket so nothing gets lost
17:44:17 <tuanta> should we note to a ticket?
17:44:19 <aeperezt> to other countries on latam
17:44:21 <tuanta> +1
17:44:46 <tuanta> +1 cwickert, I meant
17:44:49 <cwickert> #action cwickert to bring up the idea of a central media production and distribution as ticket. it's unclear if it works, but we should think about it
17:44:59 <cwickert> #undo
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17:45:05 <aeperezt> so what ever time it take from emea to Panama we have to add 2 weeks on shipping
17:45:05 <cwickert> #agreed cwickert to bring up the idea of a central media production and distribution as ticket. it's unclear if it works, but we should think about it
17:45:10 <cwickert> #action cwickert to bring up the idea of a central media production and distribution as ticket. it's unclear if it works, but we should think about it
17:45:12 <cwickert> ok
17:45:16 <aeperezt> so not sure we have time for f20
17:45:29 <cwickert> aeperezt: no, just do as you had planned for F20
17:45:41 <aeperezt> cwickert, ok
17:45:51 <cwickert> does anybody know the status of the shirts?
17:45:51 <tuanta> yes, it is for next release(s)
17:46:45 <tuanta> robyduck updated something in the last meeting
17:46:53 * tuanta is looking for the logs
17:47:01 <LoKoMurdoK> first do a test with something simple.. sent anything and check the time to arrive, $$$, others..
17:47:34 <tuanta> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2013-11-18/famsco.2013-11-18-17.02.html
17:49:13 <tuanta> according the plan as robyduck said, I think the shirts are printing now
17:49:19 <cwickert> ok
17:50:07 <tuanta> but it's best to ask him for updates
17:50:23 <LoKoMurdoK> tuanta: +1
17:51:19 <tuanta> anything to discuss today?
17:51:36 <aeperezt> tuanta, no from me
17:51:47 <LoKoMurdoK> nop!
17:51:50 <cwickert> #action if you have anybody who deserves a 10th anniversary shirt and who is not yet listed on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F20_anniversary_tshirt , please let robyduck know. I am thinking of long-term contributors with great impact who are not part of any group like FAmSCo, FESCo etc, e. g. (former) packagers
17:52:00 <cwickert> but I think that's it
17:52:06 <cwickert> any other business?
17:52:39 * cwickert will close the meeing in 3
17:52:41 <cwickert> 2
17:52:43 <cwickert> 1
17:52:47 <cwickert> #endmeeting