17:00:10 #startmeeting F20 Final Go/No-Go meeting 17:00:10 Meeting started Thu Dec 5 17:00:10 2013 UTC. The chair is jreznik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:10 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:22 #meetingname F20 Final Go/No-Go meeting 17:00:22 The meeting name has been set to 'f20_final_go/no-go_meeting' 17:00:41 #topic Roll Call 17:00:59 hi guys! who's here today? 17:01:03 * pwhalen is here 17:01:25 * jzb briefly 17:01:29 * rbergeron is here 17:01:56 * nirik is here 17:02:07 * nirik goes to get coffee, back in a min 17:02:24 * williamjmorenor just looking 17:02:29 * satellit listening 17:03:42 ok, let's wait a moment for more folks to show up! 17:04:41 * danofsatx is here 17:05:31 ok, let's start! I pinged a few more folks 17:05:56 #topic Purpose of this meeting 17:06:17 #info Purpose of this meeting is to see whether or not F20 Final is ready for shipment, according to the release criteria. 17:06:18 #info This is determined in a few ways: 17:06:19 #info No remaining blocker bugs 17:06:21 #info Test matrices for Final are fully completed 17:06:34 #info Fedora 20 Final Release Candidate (RC) is available 17:06:49 #link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/20/final/buglist 17:06:50 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_20_Final_TC4_Install 17:06:52 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_20_Final_TC4_Base 17:06:54 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_20_Final_TC4_Desktop 17:07:26 #topic Current status 17:08:04 for current state - we don't have RC available yet 17:08:37 right. 17:08:41 TC5 is currently requested 17:09:08 for more details see current blocker list 17:09:37 #link https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/20/final/buglist 17:09:37 I think it's pretty clear we are no go. ;) 17:09:47 it's definitely looking better now but it's not yet there 17:10:13 something about that "release candidate available" line :) 17:10:19 #info no release candidate (RC) available; TC5 requested 17:10:41 rbergeron: yep, added it there as robatino asked for that last time - it's pretty clear than 17:11:13 * rbergeron nods 17:11:37 a lot of fixes are waiting for QA verification -> TC5 17:13:08 are we sorting through proposed/etc? 17:13:08 anyone else to mention anything for current status that should be mentioned? 17:13:18 rbergeron: yep 17:13:28 jreznik: i figured, it just got quiet for a moment :) 17:14:05 #chair tflink 17:14:05 Current chairs: jreznik tflink 17:14:18 may I ask you to go through the proposed blocker bugs? 17:14:24 I think perhaps we should just no-go and get back to testing/fixing? or did we want to go over all the blockers/proposed? 17:14:45 * masta looks in 17:14:50 nirik: we usually do it - the list of proposed is pretty short 17:14:53 howdy all 17:15:32 for accepted - it's not as bad neither - so I'd like to touch it and make sure things are moving 17:16:12 but I'm ok with skipping it too - I don't see any bug that needs urgent attention 17:16:31 adamw, tflink: ? 17:16:38 ahoyhgoy 17:16:54 * tflink looks up 17:17:36 so ... no-go? 17:18:18 masta: pretty clearly 17:18:33 yep, unfortunately 17:19:11 yeah, definite no-go for anyone who wants a preview 17:19:23 blocker review or no? 17:19:24 I WANT MY FEDORA 20 ;( 17:19:26 tflink: so, do you want to go through proposed blockers? I see votes in that gpg key bug 17:19:57 I can get setup for a review, sure 17:20:14 I prefer to go through that two proposed 17:20:46 blocker review sure 17:20:53 tflink: i can do it 17:21:14 do i have a chair? 17:21:21 #chair adamw 17:21:21 Current chairs: adamw jreznik tflink 17:21:25 adamw: thanks 17:21:30 adamw: yes, you have :D 17:21:49 thanks 17:21:55 tflink: go code something 17:21:57 :P 17:22:14 #info Purpose of this blahblah 17:22:22 Proposed blockers: 17:22:27 #topic (1037934) 'unable to allocate aligned partition' errors keep occurring when trying to create partitions on iSCSI device, and does...other...odd...stuff 17:22:28 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1037934 17:22:28 #info Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW 17:22:51 so we have another report of this working (though from another person who tested with a Fedora/RHEL box acting as an iSCSI target) 17:23:27 given that so far it only fails for me, i'm fine with making it rejectedblocker. clearly there's a bug here, but it's likely specific to my NAS somehow. 17:23:48 would a test on rhel6 virthost, netapp iscsi for the fedora instance be of use? I could do one of those if so. 17:24:16 sure, as many tests as possible gives us confidence that the bug isn't more common 17:24:33 * nirik adds to his todo. 17:25:02 so reject or punt? I think we can reject and proposed it again in case there will be more reports of failures 17:25:12 Due to my experience with adamw's brand of NAS, I heartily recommend another hardware iSCSI implementation test. That particular brand has.....issues. 17:25:32 -1 for now, if it happens to be more common repropose? 17:25:34 jreznik: fine by me 17:25:39 -1 on that basis 17:25:41 ok, so -1 17:25:59 -1 17:26:49 yeah... reject 17:27:08 adamw: what NAS is that? 17:27:20 proposed #agreed #1037934 is rejected as a blocker for now on the basis it appears to be specific to adamw's iscsi target, can be re-proposed if it looks like it will affect enough configurations to be worthwhile blocking on 17:27:30 ack 17:27:33 ack 17:27:37 masta: thecus n5550. the UI is kinda janky, but it works fine for what i use it for 17:28:01 adamw: ty noted 17:28:13 for anyone who doesn't come to many blocker meetings: here you 'ack', 'nack' or 'patch' the proposed agreement - you can't 'nack' it because you disagree with the vote, though, that's what the vote was for. it's just an accuracy check. 17:28:32 ack 17:28:47 #agreed #1037934 is rejected as a blocker for now on the basis it appears to be specific to adamw's iscsi target, can be re-proposed if it looks like it will affect enough configurations to be worthwhile blocking on 17:29:00 ack ack ack 17:29:33 #topic (1023178) RPM GPG key not imported on live images 17:29:34 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1023178 17:29:34 #info Proposed Blocker, spin-kickstarts, NEW 17:29:46 hey look folks, a release wouldn't be complete without #998 getting invoked SOMEHOW 17:30:19 and 4 more digits in bz numbers... 17:30:34 so, yeah, i'm -1 on this simply on the basis we've been shipping the DVD this way since day 1. 17:30:44 so it doesn't seem like we can logically block on the lives doing it too. 17:30:59 it's more consistent this way! :P 17:31:20 well, gnome-software handles this? and/or PK? 17:31:30 (which it didn't in the past which is why the thing was added) 17:31:49 yes, it was buggy in gnome-software for a while but it works fine now 17:32:04 -1/+1 17:32:23 -1 blocker 17:32:23 if it's importing ok in gnome-software and PK, I don't care if we fix it then. 17:32:24 yeah, with a week's cushion i can be +1 FE 17:32:37 well, we have a fix, but is that even worth pushing? 17:32:40 again for blocker newbies, when someone votes X/Y, first vote is for blocker, second vote is for freeze exception 17:32:54 nirik: seems nice to make the lives work the way they did before if we can 17:32:57 adamw should be teacher 17:33:13 thanks adamw! ;) 17:33:28 adamw: ok. Even tho the reason we added that is no longer the case? 17:33:31 nirik: and rebuilding spin-kickstarts apparently isn't the arsing pain it used to be 17:33:38 * satellit don't see the need to change it on lives 17:33:46 nirik: oh, so, i should unpack 17:33:56 my recollection is that we've done this somehow on lives for a _long_ time 17:33:58 I can be +1 FE is you guys think it's a good idea to have it 17:34:02 we didn't just add it to work around gnome-software bug 17:34:32 * nirik looks. 17:34:38 i *guess* we somehow lost it early in f20 cycle and then noticed when we came across the gnome-software bug, and kalev - thinking only of the software bug - added it back 17:34:46 but imbw, we should probably straighten that out 17:35:14 yeah, in f19, we have: 17:35:17 fedora-live-base.ks:rpm --import /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora 17:35:38 ditto 18, and so on back, most likely. 17:35:58 yeah, looks like 2008. 17:36:10 i guess it got dropped in f20 because of the changed key file name, then resurrected? 17:36:37 yeah, except the new name was not right. 17:36:42 so it didn't work 17:36:49 oh, huh 17:36:51 you can't use $releasever there. 17:36:54 actually it never got dropped, it was just broken 17:36:56 it's just in the post. 17:36:58 right 17:37:04 so the " # work around for poor key import UI in PackageKit" comment has been there for years 17:37:15 yeah, imported from livecd-tools. 17:37:21 so the discussion of whether we still need this is actually relevant, but should have been had...however many years ago it was that PK fixed its bug :) 17:37:22 possibly when spin kickstarts were split off 17:38:02 anyway, i'm fine with voting +1 FE and discussing the ugly details of what's the right thing to do in the bug 17:38:12 sure, works for me. 17:38:12 +1 FE then 17:38:31 * nirik doesn't feel strongly about this any way. Leave broken, fix, remove. All is fine to me. 17:38:45 so, +1 FE from me 17:39:00 * masta is indifferent 17:40:02 so let's move on, seems like FE has three votes 17:40:33 proposed #agreed #1023178 is rejected as a blocker but accepted as a freeze exception issue: the DVDs have always behaved like this, so it's illogical to block on the lives doing the same thing. 17:41:08 ack, no need to explain fe 17:41:16 ack 17:41:16 yeah, can do that in the bz comment 17:41:23 couldn't think of how to do it shortly enough 17:42:03 ack 17:42:10 #agreed #1023178 is rejected as a blocker but accepted as a freeze exception issue: the DVDs have always behaved like this, so it's illogical to block on the lives doing the same thing. 17:42:38 #topic Please stand by... 17:42:40 OK, what next? 17:43:04 so, say it 17:43:26 #info there are still open blockers unaddressed in the current compose (which is not even an RC) 17:43:45 was that it? 17:43:58 yes 17:44:01 okay then. :) 17:44:22 even I'd like to hear something different :) 17:44:43 indeed 17:45:17 proposed #agreed Fedora 20 Final is No-Go due to unaddressed blocker bugs and no RC available; to slip one week 17:45:41 ack 17:45:43 ack 17:45:45 ack. 17:45:46 ack 17:46:09 er, we're using blocker meeting format for go/no-go now? 17:46:14 don't we usually do it...differently? 17:46:25 jreznik: i was just handing back to you to continue the meeting 17:47:02 does it matter what colour the red tape is? 17:47:06 but anyway, QA is ack to that per our rule for voting. 17:47:07 adamw: I like it this way - a bit more transparent and I already did it this way for several go/no-go meetings 17:47:14 nirik: MAGENTA OR GTFO 17:47:20 jreznik: ah, I must've been drunk. 17:47:29 #agreed Fedora 20 Final is No-Go due to unaddressed blocker bugs and no RC available; to slip one week 17:47:48 so, we'll likely be able to do RC1 today 17:48:10 I think we should keep the fires lit for sure... no slacking up because we have another week. 17:48:53 well, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1032921 is kind of the holdout now 17:48:58 bit worrying 17:49:09 adamw: yep, could be possible to do it today/tomorrow - we need more evidence for systemd/kde combination 17:49:20 yeah, I just got bitten by that one. 17:49:43 adamw: I asked pschindl to play with it as he hit that slow boot, otherwise kde guys are unable to reproduce it 17:49:51 but he broke his system instead... 17:50:10 heh 17:50:22 jreznik: also you may want to change the topic again. 17:50:41 #action jreznik to announce slip and update schedule 17:51:02 adamw: what topic? open floor or accepted blockers discussion? 17:51:42 #topic Open floor 17:51:51 let's do it this way :) 17:52:22 so would be nice to have more people dragged into that systemd and kde issue, there's some evidence it could be connected but 17:52:56 other than that I think we now have fixes for everything; fix for the last systemd bug looks good, just needs an official build, and dgilmore and I figured out the fedup bug 17:53:07 yep 17:54:10 anything else? i think we are pretty much covered today, so I'll start countdown... 17:54:26 and thanks everyone for amazing work on hunting blockers! 17:55:01 3... 17:56:06 2... 17:56:53 1.5.... 17:57:14 pi... 17:57:30 pi? should I count it backwards now? 17:57:36 thanks for coming! 17:57:45 epsilon.. 17:57:58 just a reminder - Readiness meeting in one hour! #fedora-meeting-1 17:58:19 #info Fedora 20 Readiness meeting in one hour 17:58:22 #endmeeting