17:03:56 <sesivany> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2014-02-03
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17:04:20 <sesivany> #topic Roll Call
17:04:31 <sesivany> aeperezt: ping
17:04:36 <sesivany> bckurera: ping
17:04:49 <sesivany> robyduck: ping
17:06:12 <sesivany> looks like freenode is still having problems...
17:06:20 <aeperezt> .fas aeperezt
17:06:20 <zodbot> aeperezt: aeperezt 'Alejandro Perez' <alejandro.perez.torres@gmail.com>
17:06:31 <aeperezt> sesivany, hello
17:06:33 <aeperezt> yes
17:06:37 <bckurera> .fas bckurera
17:06:37 <zodbot> bckurera: bckurera 'Buddhika Kurera' <bckurera@gmail.com>
17:07:02 <bckurera> hi all
17:07:21 <sesivany> bckurera: hi
17:07:42 <sesivany> have you also experienced problems with freenode today?
17:07:52 <aeperezt> sesivany, right
17:08:19 <robyduck> .fas robyduck
17:08:21 <zodbot> robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' <robyduck@gmail.com>
17:08:35 <bckurera> for me not noticeably
17:08:40 <sesivany> aeperezt: btw lvaz is in Brno :)
17:09:12 <aeperezt> sesivany, yes I know we have been chatting is good to have some one from Latam in Brno
17:09:39 <aeperezt> specially some one so great at what he does and for the community
17:10:10 <aeperezt> sesivany, by the way thanks I got my 10 years of Fedora tshirt
17:10:31 <sesivany> aeperezt: you totally deserve the t-shirt.
17:10:42 <sesivany> ok, let's start, we have a quorum.
17:11:09 * LoKoMurd1K here
17:11:13 <LoKoMurd1K> .fas lbazan
17:11:14 <zodbot> LoKoMurd1K: lbazan 'Luis Enrique Bazán De León' <bazanluis20@gmail.com>
17:11:36 <sesivany> #topic Approving FY2015 budget drafts
17:11:48 <sesivany> that's the main topic for today's meeting.
17:13:23 <sesivany> did you do any last minute changes?
17:13:55 <aeperezt> sesivany, on Latam side no
17:14:39 <tuanta> Sorry, i am late
17:14:41 <sesivany> aeperezt: ok, let's start with your budget draft.
17:14:49 <sesivany> aeperezt: can you post the link?
17:15:16 <aeperezt> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/LATAM/Budget_2015
17:15:46 * sesivany is going through it...
17:16:40 * tuanta reading
17:17:00 <sesivany> aeperezt: a lot of money goes to FLISOL. Did you manage to do something with criteria who is going to get sponsored and who is not?
17:17:23 <aeperezt> sesivany, Flisol is and event done on latam
17:17:47 <aeperezt> all countries and on some countries on more than one city at the same time
17:18:38 <sesivany> aeperezt: ah, I meant FISL
17:18:40 <LoKoMurd1K> the last in Panama have 300+ attended
17:18:45 <aeperezt> it is big event on latam
17:18:50 <LoKoMurd1K> sesivany: in brasil!
17:18:54 <aeperezt> o
17:18:57 <sesivany> I spoke with lvaz about it yesterday.
17:19:00 <aeperezt> FISL
17:19:33 <aeperezt> well it is the biggest event in latam and we are working on the sponsoring asignation with lvaz
17:19:35 <tuanta> The sane question on LatinWare
17:19:59 <aeperezt> tuanta, it around the same as fisl as the event type all are free software
17:20:30 <aeperezt> what we have set and they are doing now is that every one that want to go need to propose a talk
17:20:35 <sesivany> aeperezt: I think one of the criteria should be that it's not their only event in the year. They should organize or represent Fedora at their local events first.
17:20:38 <aeperezt> so it is not that simple
17:21:12 <tuanta> +1 sesivany
17:21:20 <aeperezt> sesivany, right the issue is brasil is huge and air travel can be expensive
17:21:30 <LoKoMurd1K> aeperezt: +1
17:22:01 <sesivany> aeperezt: lvaz told me that he had an experience that some people proposed "shitty" talks just to get sponsored. And the talks didn't make a good reputation of Fedora.
17:22:15 <tuanta> That's a good idea. We can make it mandatory for all our sponsoring
17:22:26 <aeperezt> so we need to organize talks so we can sponsor best talks for the event as fedora representative
17:22:47 <aeperezt> sesivany, right last year they organized with no proposal talks
17:23:16 <aeperezt> this year they need to do proposal talks and they should be evaluated by the community before getting sponsor
17:23:24 <LoKoMurd1K> aeperezt: +1
17:23:26 <sesivany> aeperezt: ok
17:23:32 <aeperezt> that way we filter it
17:23:52 <aeperezt> the amount for fisl is the same we spend last year
17:24:03 <sesivany> but I still think that only contributors that are active in their area first should go to such large events.
17:24:11 <sesivany> but it's just a recommendation.
17:24:12 <aeperezt> the latinoware is higher
17:24:34 <aeperezt> sesivany, right
17:24:48 <LoKoMurd1K> sesivany: yes!
17:24:56 <sesivany> overall, I think the budget is reasonable.
17:25:10 <sesivany> you definitely deserve more money because the activity is increasing.
17:25:33 * LoKoMurd1K active contributor have more benefits to go to this events!
17:25:44 <sesivany> so I'm +1 for approving the budget.
17:25:50 <LoKoMurd1K> +1
17:25:55 <aeperezt> sesivany, it will depend on how many contributors request sponsorship last year  there where 8 request and we manage to go down on the hosting price to bring everyone with no much other critera than the sponsoship request
17:26:46 <sesivany> robyduck, bckurera, tuanta: voting
17:26:48 <aeperezt> so this year is different
17:26:49 <tuanta> They should do something befire and duri g
17:27:02 <aeperezt> tuanta, right
17:27:18 <bckurera> i vote for +1
17:27:32 <robyduck> +1
17:27:42 <tuanta> +1 from me. The proposal is detailed.
17:27:47 <LoKoMurd1K> 5 votes!
17:27:48 <sesivany> ok, we've reached the quorum.
17:27:50 <bckurera> this would be a good investment for latam
17:27:59 <aeperezt> tuanta, we want see people activity during the year not people showing up to go
17:28:16 <aeperezt> +1
17:28:23 <sesivany> #agreed FAmSCo approves LATAM proposed budget for FY2015: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/LATAM/Budget_2015
17:28:35 <bckurera> aeperezt : community should decide and follow up
17:28:53 <aeperezt> bckurera, +1
17:29:31 <sesivany> aeperezt: sometimes it's better to actively approach active contributors and tell them that they're doing well and would be welcome at large events. Some of them don't realize it and don't ask for sponsorship.
17:29:51 <aeperezt> sesivany, good point
17:30:05 <sesivany> anyway, let's move to the next topic.
17:30:05 <tuanta> +1 sesivany
17:30:25 <sesivany> I meant next draft...
17:30:44 <sesivany> we can continue with EMEA: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EMEA/Budget:2015
17:31:03 * tuanta going through
17:31:17 <sesivany> I made one last minute change there...
17:31:48 <sesivany> added $700 to LGM because we'd like to get a contributor from Africa there.
17:32:11 <sesivany> It's pretty much one of our primary goals this year. To support African countries more.
17:32:15 * robyduck was looking at LGM, great sesivany
17:32:39 <robyduck> the rest is as planned I see
17:32:53 <sesivany> that's why we're giving such a large sum on IDLELO which is the biggest FLOSS event in Africa.
17:32:54 <bckurera> sesivany : what are the african countries that are active at this moment?
17:33:02 <tuanta> EMEA has prepared this well
17:33:27 <tuanta> So I don't think anything to stop it
17:33:33 <tuanta> +1 from me
17:33:34 <sesivany> bckurera: Arabic countries are usually the most active (Tunisia, Egypt, Algeria).
17:33:56 <bckurera> ok
17:34:03 <sesivany> bckurera: we have long term contributors in Nigeria and Kenya and new ones in South Africa.
17:34:23 * robyduck is +1 for EMEA
17:34:31 <aeperezt> +1
17:34:40 <sesivany> the level of activity and number of contributors is not by far as hight as in Europe, but we have to keep trying.
17:34:44 <LoKoMurd1K> +1
17:34:56 <bckurera> thanks sesivany,  and I ll vote for +1
17:35:15 <sesivany> +1 from me too in the end.
17:35:23 <sesivany> thank you for supporting us.
17:36:12 <sesivany> the overall amount is significantly higher than the last year, but last year EMEA was really underfunded compared to its activity.
17:36:29 <robyduck> indeed
17:36:56 <sesivany> #agreed FAmSCo approves EMEA proposed budget for FY2015: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EMEA/Budget:2015
17:37:04 <tuanta> APAC here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Budget:2015
17:37:23 <tuanta> Not many activities
17:37:53 <tuanta> I got responses from China, Taiwan, Srilanka and also Vietnam
17:38:32 <tuanta> And I see some interesting events in AU
17:38:50 <sesivany> tuanta: the overall amount is smaller which I think it's the right move. Local contributors need to learn that to get more money they have plan, organize and deliver.
17:38:58 <tuanta> Just think we should give a try
17:39:10 <tuanta> Yes
17:39:40 <robyduck> You plan F22 Release Parties?
17:39:53 <robyduck> optimistic :)
17:39:54 <tuanta> We will reduce the unscheduled cases
17:40:06 <bckurera> I think with the fudcon in the region there will be fore activities, since we didnt have one in last year we lost the momentum
17:40:13 <tuanta> Yes, including F22 rp
17:41:03 <tuanta> We will have FUDCon this year in China
17:41:05 <sesivany> bckurera: this is not the only available budget for APAC. There is still a budget for primary events which can be used: FUDCon and FADs.
17:41:30 <tuanta> +1
17:41:36 <bckurera> but with the FUDcon may be we will have some unplanned events at the end of the year too, nobody knows :)
17:42:19 <tuanta> Planned activities would have higher priority
17:42:52 <bckurera> tuanta +1
17:42:56 <sesivany> bckurera: if the level of activity in APAC is so high I think we can always scrap some additional money to support them.
17:43:33 <tuanta> We have aome money left this year because many events not happened
17:43:50 <sesivany> but contributors in some APAC countries need to prove first that they're able to deliver what they've planned.
17:43:57 <bckurera> sesivany : yes I understand, we support each other :)
17:43:58 <tuanta> That's why we have more fund to support unplanned activities
17:44:22 <tuanta> Next year, that should be changed
17:44:42 <aeperezt> +1
17:44:47 <sesivany> moreover I don't think F22 release events will happen in the next fiscal year, so it's one of the reserves that could be used for unplanned activities.
17:44:48 <bckurera> This was the first year I think we have over estimated, but now we are learning so this I think we will have a realistic budget
17:45:09 <tuanta> We plan less, but people will learn more from year to year
17:45:18 <sesivany> +1 from me for the draft.
17:45:52 <bckurera> voting for +1 :)
17:46:08 <robyduck> me too, +1
17:46:23 <sesivany> LoKoMurd1K ?
17:46:25 <LoKoMurd1K> +1
17:46:41 <tuanta> +1. And thanks for your support.
17:47:01 <bckurera> yeah thank you all
17:47:14 <sesivany> approved
17:48:34 <sesivany> #agreed FAmSCo approves APAC proposed budget for FY2015: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Budget:2015
17:48:46 <sesivany> and now what to do with NA?
17:49:07 <tuanta> Nothing :+
17:49:31 <LoKoMurd1K> tuanta: +1
17:49:43 <robyduck> sesivany: I think FAmSCo needs to vote also on NA
17:49:56 <sesivany> well, nothing is too extreme :)
17:50:06 <LoKoMurd1K> sesivany: :)
17:50:07 <robyduck> although we have to base it only on the wiki page
17:50:28 <sesivany> but I would propose to OSAS that their budget should be the same or lower than we they had this year.
17:50:33 <tuanta> They have a wiki?
17:51:12 <robyduck> yes, sesivany sounds good
17:51:28 <tuanta> +1 sesivany
17:51:29 <LoKoMurd1K> sesivany: +1
17:51:29 <robyduck> what about agreeing to the budget adding that condition?
17:51:34 <sesivany> because first they didn't propose any budget draft, second they apparently had difficulties to spend it this year.
17:51:44 <robyduck> yep
17:52:41 <aeperezt> +1
17:53:31 <LoKoMurd1K> +1
17:53:32 <sesivany> FAmSCo hasn't received any budget draft from the NA community. Because of this and because NA region had difficulties to spend their budget this year, we think that their budget amount for FY2015 should not exceed what they've had in FY2014.
17:53:43 <sesivany> is the form ok?
17:53:49 <tuanta> +1
17:54:32 <robyduck> yes, good: +1
17:54:42 <aeperezt> +1
17:55:02 <sesivany> ok
17:55:20 <sesivany> #info FAmSCo hasn't received any budget draft from the NA community. Because of this and because NA region had difficulties to spend their budget this year, we think that their budget amount for FY2015 should not exceed what they've had in FY2014.
17:55:57 <LoKoMurd1K> +1
17:56:34 <sesivany> ok, I will propose the drafts to rsuehle.
17:56:45 <tuanta> Cool
17:56:48 <sesivany> and we'll see what we get from OSAS this time.
17:57:39 <sesivany> I spoke with rbergeron Saturday and she wasn't satisfied with how things are going in terms of budgeting and reporting back in NA.
17:57:44 <aeperezt> thanks sesivany
17:58:04 * tuanta has to go now
17:58:10 <sesivany> hopefully we'll have a NA member in the next term and the communication will improve.
17:58:15 <sesivany> tuanta: ok
17:58:24 <tuanta> Thanks
17:58:29 <sesivany> I think it's all for today. Do you have anything else do discuss?
17:58:35 <LoKoMurd1K> nop
17:58:39 <LoKoMurd1K> tks!
17:58:40 <bckurera> not from me
17:58:43 <tuanta> Nope
17:58:48 <robyduck> we will have elections
17:59:07 <LoKoMurd1K> townhall today?
17:59:28 <robyduck> no it was last weekend
17:59:52 <tuanta> It was over
17:59:57 <LoKoMurd1K> ok
18:00:15 <robyduck> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections#Committee_Elections_Schedule
18:00:35 <robyduck> so from tomorrow you can vote
18:00:39 <robyduck> February 4 - 10: Voting Period (closes promptly at 23:59:59 UTC on February 10)
18:00:46 <sesivany> #topic Openfloor
18:01:16 <sesivany> #info Voting period in F21 elections starts tomorrow!
18:01:28 <sesivany> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections#Committee_Elections_Schedule
18:01:53 <LoKoMurd1K> good!
18:02:06 <tuanta> #info APAC CC holder proposal has been approved. OSAS is working with KageSenshi to issue the card
18:02:18 <sesivany> even better news!
18:02:47 <tuanta> Life would be easier :)
18:03:27 <bckurera> a relief :)
18:03:36 <sesivany> thank you fo coming today and meet you next week!
18:03:57 <robyduck> see you
18:03:59 <tuanta> Thank you for chairing all times :)
18:04:05 <tuanta> See you.
18:04:15 <LoKoMurd1K> see you!
18:05:19 <sesivany> #endmeeting