17:03:56 #startmeeting FAmSCo 2014-02-03 17:03:56 Meeting started Mon Feb 3 17:03:56 2014 UTC. The chair is sesivany. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:03:56 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:04:05 #meetingname famsco 17:04:05 The meeting name has been set to 'famsco' 17:04:11 #meetingname famsco 17:04:11 The meeting name has been set to 'famsco' 17:04:20 #topic Roll Call 17:04:31 aeperezt: ping 17:04:36 bckurera: ping 17:04:49 robyduck: ping 17:06:12 looks like freenode is still having problems... 17:06:20 .fas aeperezt 17:06:20 aeperezt: aeperezt 'Alejandro Perez' 17:06:31 sesivany, hello 17:06:33 yes 17:06:37 .fas bckurera 17:06:37 bckurera: bckurera 'Buddhika Kurera' 17:07:02 hi all 17:07:21 bckurera: hi 17:07:42 have you also experienced problems with freenode today? 17:07:52 sesivany, right 17:08:19 .fas robyduck 17:08:21 robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' 17:08:35 for me not noticeably 17:08:40 aeperezt: btw lvaz is in Brno :) 17:09:12 sesivany, yes I know we have been chatting is good to have some one from Latam in Brno 17:09:39 specially some one so great at what he does and for the community 17:10:10 sesivany, by the way thanks I got my 10 years of Fedora tshirt 17:10:31 aeperezt: you totally deserve the t-shirt. 17:10:42 ok, let's start, we have a quorum. 17:11:09 * LoKoMurd1K here 17:11:13 .fas lbazan 17:11:14 LoKoMurd1K: lbazan 'Luis Enrique Bazán De León' 17:11:36 #topic Approving FY2015 budget drafts 17:11:48 that's the main topic for today's meeting. 17:13:23 did you do any last minute changes? 17:13:55 sesivany, on Latam side no 17:14:39 Sorry, i am late 17:14:41 aeperezt: ok, let's start with your budget draft. 17:14:49 aeperezt: can you post the link? 17:15:16 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/LATAM/Budget_2015 17:15:46 * sesivany is going through it... 17:16:40 * tuanta reading 17:17:00 aeperezt: a lot of money goes to FLISOL. Did you manage to do something with criteria who is going to get sponsored and who is not? 17:17:23 sesivany, Flisol is and event done on latam 17:17:47 all countries and on some countries on more than one city at the same time 17:18:38 aeperezt: ah, I meant FISL 17:18:40 the last in Panama have 300+ attended 17:18:45 it is big event on latam 17:18:50 sesivany: in brasil! 17:18:54 o 17:18:57 I spoke with lvaz about it yesterday. 17:19:00 FISL 17:19:33 well it is the biggest event in latam and we are working on the sponsoring asignation with lvaz 17:19:35 The sane question on LatinWare 17:19:59 tuanta, it around the same as fisl as the event type all are free software 17:20:30 what we have set and they are doing now is that every one that want to go need to propose a talk 17:20:35 aeperezt: I think one of the criteria should be that it's not their only event in the year. They should organize or represent Fedora at their local events first. 17:20:38 so it is not that simple 17:21:12 +1 sesivany 17:21:20 sesivany, right the issue is brasil is huge and air travel can be expensive 17:21:30 aeperezt: +1 17:22:01 aeperezt: lvaz told me that he had an experience that some people proposed "shitty" talks just to get sponsored. And the talks didn't make a good reputation of Fedora. 17:22:15 That's a good idea. We can make it mandatory for all our sponsoring 17:22:26 so we need to organize talks so we can sponsor best talks for the event as fedora representative 17:22:47 sesivany, right last year they organized with no proposal talks 17:23:16 this year they need to do proposal talks and they should be evaluated by the community before getting sponsor 17:23:24 aeperezt: +1 17:23:26 aeperezt: ok 17:23:32 that way we filter it 17:23:52 the amount for fisl is the same we spend last year 17:24:03 but I still think that only contributors that are active in their area first should go to such large events. 17:24:11 but it's just a recommendation. 17:24:12 the latinoware is higher 17:24:34 sesivany, right 17:24:48 sesivany: yes! 17:24:56 overall, I think the budget is reasonable. 17:25:10 you definitely deserve more money because the activity is increasing. 17:25:33 * LoKoMurd1K active contributor have more benefits to go to this events! 17:25:44 so I'm +1 for approving the budget. 17:25:50 +1 17:25:55 sesivany, it will depend on how many contributors request sponsorship last year there where 8 request and we manage to go down on the hosting price to bring everyone with no much other critera than the sponsoship request 17:26:46 robyduck, bckurera, tuanta: voting 17:26:48 so this year is different 17:26:49 They should do something befire and duri g 17:27:02 tuanta, right 17:27:18 i vote for +1 17:27:32 +1 17:27:42 +1 from me. The proposal is detailed. 17:27:47 5 votes! 17:27:48 ok, we've reached the quorum. 17:27:50 this would be a good investment for latam 17:27:59 tuanta, we want see people activity during the year not people showing up to go 17:28:16 +1 17:28:23 #agreed FAmSCo approves LATAM proposed budget for FY2015: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/LATAM/Budget_2015 17:28:35 aeperezt : community should decide and follow up 17:28:53 bckurera, +1 17:29:31 aeperezt: sometimes it's better to actively approach active contributors and tell them that they're doing well and would be welcome at large events. Some of them don't realize it and don't ask for sponsorship. 17:29:51 sesivany, good point 17:30:05 anyway, let's move to the next topic. 17:30:05 +1 sesivany 17:30:25 I meant next draft... 17:30:44 we can continue with EMEA: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EMEA/Budget:2015 17:31:03 * tuanta going through 17:31:17 I made one last minute change there... 17:31:48 added $700 to LGM because we'd like to get a contributor from Africa there. 17:32:11 It's pretty much one of our primary goals this year. To support African countries more. 17:32:15 * robyduck was looking at LGM, great sesivany 17:32:39 the rest is as planned I see 17:32:53 that's why we're giving such a large sum on IDLELO which is the biggest FLOSS event in Africa. 17:32:54 sesivany : what are the african countries that are active at this moment? 17:33:02 EMEA has prepared this well 17:33:27 So I don't think anything to stop it 17:33:33 +1 from me 17:33:34 bckurera: Arabic countries are usually the most active (Tunisia, Egypt, Algeria). 17:33:56 ok 17:34:03 bckurera: we have long term contributors in Nigeria and Kenya and new ones in South Africa. 17:34:23 * robyduck is +1 for EMEA 17:34:31 +1 17:34:40 the level of activity and number of contributors is not by far as hight as in Europe, but we have to keep trying. 17:34:44 +1 17:34:56 thanks sesivany, and I ll vote for +1 17:35:15 +1 from me too in the end. 17:35:23 thank you for supporting us. 17:36:12 the overall amount is significantly higher than the last year, but last year EMEA was really underfunded compared to its activity. 17:36:29 indeed 17:36:56 #agreed FAmSCo approves EMEA proposed budget for FY2015: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EMEA/Budget:2015 17:37:04 APAC here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Budget:2015 17:37:23 Not many activities 17:37:53 I got responses from China, Taiwan, Srilanka and also Vietnam 17:38:32 And I see some interesting events in AU 17:38:50 tuanta: the overall amount is smaller which I think it's the right move. Local contributors need to learn that to get more money they have plan, organize and deliver. 17:38:58 Just think we should give a try 17:39:10 Yes 17:39:40 You plan F22 Release Parties? 17:39:53 optimistic :) 17:39:54 We will reduce the unscheduled cases 17:40:06 I think with the fudcon in the region there will be fore activities, since we didnt have one in last year we lost the momentum 17:40:13 Yes, including F22 rp 17:41:03 We will have FUDCon this year in China 17:41:05 bckurera: this is not the only available budget for APAC. There is still a budget for primary events which can be used: FUDCon and FADs. 17:41:30 +1 17:41:36 but with the FUDcon may be we will have some unplanned events at the end of the year too, nobody knows :) 17:42:19 Planned activities would have higher priority 17:42:52 tuanta +1 17:42:56 bckurera: if the level of activity in APAC is so high I think we can always scrap some additional money to support them. 17:43:33 We have aome money left this year because many events not happened 17:43:50 but contributors in some APAC countries need to prove first that they're able to deliver what they've planned. 17:43:57 sesivany : yes I understand, we support each other :) 17:43:58 That's why we have more fund to support unplanned activities 17:44:22 Next year, that should be changed 17:44:42 +1 17:44:47 moreover I don't think F22 release events will happen in the next fiscal year, so it's one of the reserves that could be used for unplanned activities. 17:44:48 This was the first year I think we have over estimated, but now we are learning so this I think we will have a realistic budget 17:45:09 We plan less, but people will learn more from year to year 17:45:18 +1 from me for the draft. 17:45:52 voting for +1 :) 17:46:08 me too, +1 17:46:23 LoKoMurd1K ? 17:46:25 +1 17:46:41 +1. And thanks for your support. 17:47:01 yeah thank you all 17:47:14 approved 17:48:34 #agreed FAmSCo approves APAC proposed budget for FY2015: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Budget:2015 17:48:46 and now what to do with NA? 17:49:07 Nothing :+ 17:49:31 tuanta: +1 17:49:43 sesivany: I think FAmSCo needs to vote also on NA 17:49:56 well, nothing is too extreme :) 17:50:06 sesivany: :) 17:50:07 although we have to base it only on the wiki page 17:50:28 but I would propose to OSAS that their budget should be the same or lower than we they had this year. 17:50:33 They have a wiki? 17:51:12 yes, sesivany sounds good 17:51:28 +1 sesivany 17:51:29 sesivany: +1 17:51:29 what about agreeing to the budget adding that condition? 17:51:34 because first they didn't propose any budget draft, second they apparently had difficulties to spend it this year. 17:51:44 yep 17:52:41 +1 17:53:31 +1 17:53:32 FAmSCo hasn't received any budget draft from the NA community. Because of this and because NA region had difficulties to spend their budget this year, we think that their budget amount for FY2015 should not exceed what they've had in FY2014. 17:53:43 is the form ok? 17:53:49 +1 17:54:32 yes, good: +1 17:54:42 +1 17:55:02 ok 17:55:20 #info FAmSCo hasn't received any budget draft from the NA community. Because of this and because NA region had difficulties to spend their budget this year, we think that their budget amount for FY2015 should not exceed what they've had in FY2014. 17:55:57 +1 17:56:34 ok, I will propose the drafts to rsuehle. 17:56:45 Cool 17:56:48 and we'll see what we get from OSAS this time. 17:57:39 I spoke with rbergeron Saturday and she wasn't satisfied with how things are going in terms of budgeting and reporting back in NA. 17:57:44 thanks sesivany 17:58:04 * tuanta has to go now 17:58:10 hopefully we'll have a NA member in the next term and the communication will improve. 17:58:15 tuanta: ok 17:58:24 Thanks 17:58:29 I think it's all for today. Do you have anything else do discuss? 17:58:35 nop 17:58:39 tks! 17:58:40 not from me 17:58:43 Nope 17:58:48 we will have elections 17:59:07 townhall today? 17:59:28 no it was last weekend 17:59:52 It was over 17:59:57 ok 18:00:15 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections#Committee_Elections_Schedule 18:00:35 so from tomorrow you can vote 18:00:39 February 4 - 10: Voting Period (closes promptly at 23:59:59 UTC on February 10) 18:00:46 #topic Openfloor 18:01:16 #info Voting period in F21 elections starts tomorrow! 18:01:28 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections#Committee_Elections_Schedule 18:01:53 good! 18:02:06 #info APAC CC holder proposal has been approved. OSAS is working with KageSenshi to issue the card 18:02:18 even better news! 18:02:47 Life would be easier :) 18:03:27 a relief :) 18:03:36 thank you fo coming today and meet you next week! 18:03:57 see you 18:03:59 Thank you for chairing all times :) 18:04:05 See you. 18:04:15 see you! 18:05:19 #endmeeting