16:00:18 <sesivany> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2014-06-24
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16:00:24 <sesivany> #meetingname famsco
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16:00:28 <sesivany> #topic Roll Call
16:00:43 <sesivany> .hellomynameis eischmann
16:00:44 <zodbot> sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' <eischmann@redhat.com>
16:01:09 <sesivany> robyduck, tuanta: ping
16:01:23 <tuanta> .hellomynameis tuanta
16:01:24 <zodbot> tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com>
16:02:23 <sesivany> masta: ping
16:02:27 <cwickert> .fas cwickert
16:02:28 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@gmail.com>
16:02:33 <sesivany> lbazan: ping
16:03:29 <sesivany> I hope we'll have a quorum today because we actually need to make decisions today :)
16:04:32 <sesivany> let's start.
16:04:50 * sesivany will have to leave in 30 minutes.
16:05:14 <sesivany> #topic Flock Sponsorship Requests from EMEA
16:05:44 <sesivany> the situation is that we have 7 requests which is below the limit of 10.
16:06:17 <robyduck> .fas robyduck
16:06:18 <sesivany> so we can actually approve all of them. We can just go through them and make sure that they're are all eligible.
16:06:18 <zodbot> robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' <robyduck@gmail.com>
16:06:29 <sesivany> great, we have a quorum.
16:07:07 <sesivany> ok, so let me give you links to all requests.
16:07:46 <sesivany> please look at them and raise concerns if you have any...
16:07:50 <sesivany> #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/384
16:07:56 * cwickert thinks this is just wrong
16:08:08 <sesivany> cwickert: elaborate
16:08:36 <cwickert> well, as I mentioned earlier, the whole idea of the limit was wrong
16:08:55 <cwickert> the limit is USD 200 or EUR 200?
16:09:33 <sesivany> cwickert: why? it's $200, but we (the emea community can raise it until we hit the limit of $2000). it can now be around $300.
16:09:54 <cwickert> I think I explained this already
16:09:55 <robyduck> sesivany: although there are less than ten, we are not obliged to approve all of them. Do I remember this right?
16:10:18 <sesivany> we discussed it at the last emea meeting and people wanted to support rather more people with partial subsidy than fewer people with full subsidy.
16:10:28 <cwickert> The basic idea of sponsorship is, that we want to enable people tom who otherwise would not, right?
16:10:48 <sesivany> robyduck: sure, that's why I was asking to go through them and raise concerns.
16:11:42 <robyduck> cwickert: I think not only, sponsorship also means helping people to attend with a partial subsidy.
16:11:59 <cwickert> do we think that any of these ticket meets the criteria "If we do not approve the request, the person will not be able to attend or willing to attend"? or is it just "the person will come anyway and can make some nice USD 200"
16:12:05 <tuanta> .fasinfo rathann
16:12:06 <zodbot> tuanta: User: rathann, Name: Dominik Mierzejewski, email: dominik@greysector.net, Creation: 2006-01-06, IRC Nick: Rathann, Timezone: Europe/Warsaw, Locale: en, GPG key ID: B6D6AEF5, Status: active
16:12:09 <zodbot> tuanta: Approved Groups: cla_fedora cla_done fedorabugs +packager provenpackager cla_fpca
16:12:23 <cwickert> I will attend and pay everything from my own pocket
16:13:00 <cwickert> do I need sponsorship? no! but if you ask me "do you want USD 200?", I say "sure!"
16:13:37 <sesivany> cwickert: yes, but how can you find out? It's really up to people to be honest about it. I also am not asking for sponsorship for Flock.
16:14:01 <cwickert> sesivany: one way would be to look when people registered
16:14:05 <sesivany> but if someone asks for money I believe he/she needs it until proven otherwise.
16:14:35 <robyduck> sesivany: cwickert: ok but you forget that there are people who spend part of their famiy budget, or student budget for FLOCK. I think in these cases 200$ make a huge difference.
16:14:52 <robyduck> s/famiy/family
16:15:12 <cwickert> robyduck: that's exactly the point we should consider. Would it make a difference for this person or not? is the most important question to me
16:15:17 <tuanta> +1 robyduck. It would be good for some people
16:15:28 <sesivany> and there are students who want to come and would come completely on their own, but any help helps them.
16:15:39 <robyduck> sesivany: +1
16:15:49 <tuanta> +1 sesivany. that's the key point
16:16:13 <sesivany> I mean just because people can somehow afford the trip in the end doesn't mean they should not get any sponsorship.
16:16:26 <cwickert> sesivany: I have problems to believe that anybody in middle Europe really *needs* the money but *could use it*. People who already registered before they heard about the sponsorship almost likely don't need it
16:17:14 <sesivany> is anyone like that there?
16:17:50 <cwickert> another question that comes to my mind: how do we actually handle the funding? we cannot just give somebody USD 200, we need invoices
16:18:10 <cwickert> partial funding has always been a problem
16:18:44 <cwickert> we could take over the hotel or travel or so, but we need some invoice, if possible something close to USD 200
16:18:47 <sesivany> cwickert: take Sirko as an example, he would probably come anyway, but I know he counts every € now also because we spend a lot of time on FLOSS. I have no problem to sponsor him.
16:18:59 <sesivany> s/we/he
16:19:09 <cwickert> sesivany: that is actually a good example, I would consider him
16:19:28 <tuanta> +1 sesivany
16:19:31 <sesivany> cwickert: I think Kital has already done partial sponsorships.
16:19:39 <cwickert> sesivany: I don't think so
16:19:50 <sesivany> when the amount asked was less than the receipt amount.
16:20:00 <cwickert> so for Sirko we could pay him travel (should be 78 EUR for him)
16:20:48 <cwickert> anyway; I don't want to delay this too much. if you all agree with the limit, that's fine
16:20:55 <sesivany> cwickert: at FOSDEM, the Greek guys had a shared invoice for accommodation, some of them were not fedora contributors and kital paid just a portion of it.
16:21:14 <cwickert> then let's discuss the requests and how we do it
16:21:26 <cwickert> sesivany: do you have a ticket for that?
16:21:43 <sesivany> cwickert: let me look
16:22:05 <cwickert> sesivany: I suggest we first approve/deny the requests and then think about the details
16:22:23 <cwickert> maybe the contributor has something close to USD 200 or they can share a room or whatnot
16:24:17 <sesivany> I cannot find the ticket right now... :-/ I have a slow connection, connected through a phone.
16:25:01 <sesivany> should I post links to tickets here or should I just point you to the trac?
16:25:16 <tuanta> Sirko's ticket is here: https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/388
16:25:26 <robyduck> just point to the trac
16:25:36 <tuanta> he requested for accommodation sponsorship
16:25:37 <robyduck> tickets are from 384 upwards
16:26:52 <sesivany> cwickert: FYI here is partial reimbursement: https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/339
16:29:49 <cwickert> ok then
16:29:59 * cwickert is still at work and a little busy
16:30:09 <cwickert> let us go through the request please
16:30:47 <sesivany> I don't have a problem with any of the requests. Only Constantin has already been sponsored this year, but he covers 90% of his trip himself, and he seems to be the only contributor from Africa coming...
16:31:17 <cwickert> can we please go through the one by one nevertheless?
16:31:20 <cwickert> .fas 384
16:31:21 <zodbot> cwickert: mati9384 'Mateusz Kalamoniak' <mati.kala@wp.pl> - terminal205 'Doug Hines' <dhines384@gmail.com> - wk1990 'whwk' <513843150@qq.com> - csm8384 'csm8384' <csm8384@gmail.com> - zhanglin 'zhanglin' <zdl474038463@163.com> - blink 'Jeff Bonhag' <n02384301@hawkmail.newpaltz.edu> - danny7384 'Danny Quiñonez' <danny7384@gmail.com>
16:31:26 <cwickert> .famsco 384
16:31:26 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/384
16:31:45 <cwickert> +1 for this one
16:31:48 <sesivany> cwickert: it's a emea trac.
16:31:53 <tuanta> you meant this one? https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/384
16:32:01 <cwickert> oh, sorry
16:32:07 <tuanta> :)
16:32:12 <sesivany> +1
16:32:21 <tuanta> +1
16:32:32 <cwickert> anybody else?
16:32:41 <cwickert> robyduck: ping
16:32:47 <robyduck> +1
16:33:01 <cwickert> who else is here?
16:33:07 <sesivany> cwickert: no one else
16:33:23 <cwickert> #agreed EMEA community will sponsor rathann
16:33:37 <cwickert> sesivany: mind making us chairs? ;)
16:34:02 <sesivany> #chair cwickert tuanta robyduck sesivany
16:34:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: cwickert robyduck sesivany tuanta
16:34:05 <cwickert> #agreed EMEA community will sponsor rathann
16:34:17 <sesivany> #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/385
16:34:43 <robyduck> I'm +1 for him
16:34:47 <cwickert> +1
16:34:49 <sesivany> +1
16:34:50 <tuanta> +1 for him too
16:35:00 <cwickert> #agreed EMEA community will sponsor comzeradd
16:35:10 <sesivany> #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/386
16:35:11 <cwickert> #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/386
16:35:13 <cwickert> :)
16:35:43 <sesivany> Giannis is one of the most active ambassadors in emea currently.
16:35:53 <cwickert> +q
16:35:55 <cwickert> +1
16:35:58 <sesivany> I'm +1
16:35:59 <robyduck> +1
16:36:18 <tuanta> +1 too
16:36:22 <cwickert> #agreed EMEA community will sponsor giannisk
16:36:31 <cwickert> #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/387
16:36:33 <sesivany> cwickert: you do agreed and do links :-)
16:36:40 <sesivany> damn, faster
16:37:00 <cwickert> sesivany: actually you don't need to prefix them with '#link' I think ;)
16:37:15 <tuanta> one more guy from Greece :)
16:37:19 <sesivany> ok
16:37:34 <cwickert> +1 because he could not come otherwise
16:37:38 <sesivany> yeah, for them it's actually more expensive to come.
16:37:38 <robyduck> .fasinfo mitzie
16:37:39 <zodbot> robyduck: User: mitzie, Name: Zacharias Mitzelos, email: zacharias.mitzelos@gmail.com, Creation: 2013-02-09, IRC Nick: mitzie, Timezone: Europe/Athens, Locale: en, GPG key ID: , Status: active
16:37:40 <sesivany> +1
16:37:41 <zodbot> robyduck: Approved Groups: ambassadors freemedia marketing cla_done cla_fpca
16:37:45 <cwickert> not because I am convinced of him, I hardly know him
16:37:54 <cwickert> s/hardly/don't
16:38:04 <tuanta> in ticket #385, flight costs just 279 EUR
16:38:26 <tuanta> return ticket Athens - Prague
16:38:30 <sesivany> tuanta: that's quite a lot in Europe.
16:38:39 <tuanta> yes, I meant
16:39:04 <tuanta> in #385 the cost is only 270 EUR, but in #387, cost is 330 EUR
16:39:08 <sesivany> ok, do we agree on this ticket?
16:39:27 * robyduck is unsure
16:39:52 <sesivany> tuanta: the limit is $200, so I'm not really concerned how much more they will spend.
16:39:56 <sesivany> it's their business.
16:40:17 <tuanta> we can suggest him a cheaper flight
16:40:26 <sesivany> tuanta: ok
16:40:50 <tuanta> just tell him to contact to the owner of #384
16:41:03 <robyduck> tuanta: right
16:41:06 * sesivany only counted 2 +1's
16:41:10 <cwickert> tuanta: I don't think this our problem. we tell him that he can get a maximum of USD 200, that's it
16:41:51 <tuanta> cwickert, I know. I just want help him a little more.
16:41:59 <sesivany> tuanta, robyduck: your vote about this ticket?
16:42:13 <tuanta> I have no problem with this ticket
16:42:18 <tuanta> +1 from me too
16:42:22 <robyduck> if you al are ok, then +1
16:43:04 <sesivany> #agreed EMEA community will sponsor mitzie
16:43:20 <sesivany> #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/388
16:43:40 <sesivany> I have no problem with sponsoring Sirko.
16:43:43 <sesivany> +1 from me
16:43:54 <tuanta> also $200, right?
16:44:04 <sesivany> yep
16:44:06 <tuanta> +1
16:44:14 <robyduck> +1
16:44:20 <cwickert> hmm
16:44:32 <sesivany> everything has a limit of $200, we don't really need to know the amounts requested.
16:44:34 <cwickert> +2 because I know him, but the ticket is shit
16:44:47 <cwickert> I mean, there is no reasoning at all
16:45:01 <cwickert> s/+2/+1 :)
16:45:09 <tuanta> :)
16:45:15 <sesivany> cwickert: maybe sirko assumes everyone knows him :)
16:45:26 <tuanta> +1 sesivany
16:45:29 <tuanta> :)
16:45:49 <cwickert> sesivany: I know him, but want to know what he wants to achieve at FLOCK
16:46:01 <robyduck> cwickert: I think sirko will do much more there than mitzie for example
16:46:05 <sesivany> #agreed EMEA community will sponsor sirko
16:46:44 <sesivany> #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/389
16:47:20 <tuanta> the only man from Africa
16:47:31 <tuanta> +1 from me
16:47:48 <tuanta> for $200 sponsorship too
16:48:11 <robyduck> I'm +1 because he will have a lot od expenses from Africa, and I like that he wants to come anyway.
16:48:11 <lbazan> .fas lbazan
16:48:12 <zodbot> lbazan: lbazan 'Luis Enrique Bazán De León' <bazanluis20@gmail.com>
16:48:14 * lbazan late
16:48:15 <cwickert> sesivany: did we already sponsor him?
16:48:15 <lbazan> sorry
16:48:46 <cwickert> I mean this year
16:49:06 <sesivany> cwickert: yes, for FOSDEM, but now he's asking for a really small amount. I spoke with him and he's ok with staying in the dormitory.
16:49:25 <sesivany> cwickert: he covers the flight.
16:49:25 <cwickert> frankly speaking I don't see significant contributions from pandaconstantin
16:49:55 <cwickert> -+0
16:50:39 <sesivany> +1 just because the amount is small.
16:51:18 <sesivany> robyduck, lbazan?
16:51:31 <robyduck> cwickert: yes you're right, that's why I said I'm +1 for other reasons
16:51:53 <sesivany> lbazan: we're voting about https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/389
16:51:55 <robyduck> sesivany: already voted above :)
16:51:56 <tuanta> this is the last ticket?
16:52:10 <sesivany> tuanta: one more
16:52:32 <tuanta> ok, we have enough time
16:53:03 <sesivany> tuanta: I don't, I really have to leave in 5 minutes :-(
16:53:21 <lbazan> +1
16:53:22 <lbazan> would be more interesting to know how to support the community in africa
16:53:56 <sesivany> #agreed EMEA community will sponsor pandaconstantin
16:54:01 <sesivany> last one
16:54:05 <tuanta> ok, the last one, then we can end the meeting
16:54:12 <sesivany> #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/391
16:54:34 <sesivany> cwickert: do you know him?
16:55:04 <tuanta> .fasinfo till
16:55:05 <zodbot> tuanta: User: till, Name: Till Maas, email: opensource@till.name, Creation: 2006-08-17, IRC Nick: tyll, Timezone: Europe/Berlin, Locale: de, GPG key ID: 18A0E3D6A36194E0A6F2C5F06A3A10B31C109517, Status: active
16:55:08 <zodbot> tuanta: Approved Groups: signers sysadmin-cvs sysadmin-releng sysadmin fi-apprentice cvsadmin gitreleng cla_fedora cla_done fedorabugs bzrpackagedb +packager provenpackager sysadmin-test cla_fpca
16:55:20 <tuanta> he lives in Berlin?
16:55:42 <sesivany> tuanta: no Aachen, but it's Germany.
16:55:59 <cwickert> +1
16:56:03 <robyduck> +1
16:56:10 <cwickert> sesivany: I know him, he has been around for a long time
16:56:13 <sesivany> +1
16:56:25 <cwickert> he wrote fedora-easy-karma and some other qa scripts
16:56:27 <sesivany> tuanta?
16:56:36 <sesivany> cwickert: looks like a good candidate.
16:56:37 <tuanta> +1 too
16:56:46 <cwickert> cnugu was also done by him
16:56:57 <sesivany> #agreed EMEA community will sponsor till
16:57:01 <cwickert> this upstream monitoring thing, I cannot remember the name
16:57:20 <sesivany> that's all. Do we have anything else today?
16:57:38 <cwickert> nope
16:57:44 <cwickert> what about the mentors thing?
16:58:15 <tuanta> time is up and it is not too urgent, so I think we can delay it to next meeting
16:58:16 <sesivany> cwickert: you can continue, but I have to leave now. Tuanta, can you please send out minutes?
16:58:32 <tuanta> ok, I will send the minutes
16:58:38 <sesivany> tuanta: thanks
16:58:40 <cwickert> sesivany: so have I. should we delay this?
16:58:47 <sesivany> cwickert:
16:58:51 <sesivany> cwickert: yep
16:59:01 <sesivany> I've got to go, meet you next week!
16:59:08 <tuanta> thanks sesivany
16:59:09 <robyduck> see you sesivany
16:59:10 <tuanta> see you
16:59:27 <tuanta> anything else today?
16:59:41 <cwickert> nope, not from me
16:59:41 <tuanta> should we end the meeting now?
16:59:49 <robyduck> we have the mentor process, but we are over time today
16:59:56 <robyduck> next week I suggest
16:59:57 <cwickert> yes please, I need to think about the mentors thing a bit again
16:59:58 <tuanta> no more from me too
17:00:04 <cwickert> thanks everybody for their feedback in trac!
17:00:12 <cwickert> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/366
17:00:15 <cwickert> (just for the minutes)
17:00:22 <cwickert> #endmeeting