16:00:25 <sesivany> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2014-07-01
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16:00:27 <sesivany> #meetingname famsco
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16:00:32 <sesivany> #topic Roll Call
16:01:22 <sesivany> robyduck: ping
16:01:31 <sesivany> masta: ping
16:06:30 <yn1v> .fas yn1v
16:06:31 <zodbot> yn1v: yn1v 'Neville A. Cross' <yn1v@taygon.com>
16:06:40 * yn1v Nicaragua
16:07:00 <sesivany> yn1v: hi, no one else has arrived yet.
16:07:16 <yn1v> okey
16:07:43 <sesivany> but we can discuss the latam sponsorship program at least...
16:08:01 <sesivany> #topic LATAM sponsorship program for Flock
16:08:26 <yn1v> I miss last LATAM meeting due work
16:09:01 <sesivany> yn1v: from what I read they delegated the decision to FAmSCo, right?
16:09:08 <yn1v> I far as I know there is only one request, but I haven't see the proposal
16:09:16 <robyduck> .fas robyduck
16:09:16 <yn1v> yes, it was delegated to famsco
16:09:18 <zodbot> robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' <robyduck@gmail.com>
16:09:23 <sesivany> yn1v: I found two.
16:09:33 <sesivany> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-latam/report/1?page=1&sort=ticket&asc=1
16:09:40 <sesivany> robyduck: hi!
16:10:16 <robyduck> hi all
16:10:37 <sesivany> yn1v: the ticket by echevemaster seems pretty strong, so do his achievements.
16:11:05 <sesivany> yn1v: the other ticket doesn't look so convincing.
16:14:33 <sesivany> robyduck: any opinion on the tickets?
16:14:51 <sesivany> robyduck: we're discussing sponsorship requests from LATAM.
16:15:00 <sesivany> robyduck: there are just two of them.
16:15:04 <robyduck> I can't find them
16:15:24 <sesivany> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-latam/report/1?page=1&sort=ticket&asc=1
16:15:25 <robyduck> ok 225 and the other?
16:15:31 <sesivany> #226
16:15:33 <yn1v> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-latam/ticket/225
16:15:45 <yn1v> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-latam/ticket/226
16:15:49 <robyduck> gotcha, reading
16:16:48 <robyduck> I'm really +1 for echevemaster, not only because he probably will do more stuff at FLOCK, but he at least took his time to file a detailled ticket
16:17:16 <sesivany> robyduck: exactly
16:17:51 <yn1v> I agree with robyduck.
16:18:39 <robyduck> do we have a quorum to vote?
16:18:46 <sesivany> robyduck: nope :-(
16:18:47 <yn1v> Maybe Itamar can do as much as echevemaster, but echevemaster has already plan for the activities.
16:18:50 <sesivany> just three of us.
16:18:53 <robyduck> :/
16:19:40 * robyduck pings masta again
16:19:47 <sesivany> anyway, we can create a ticket in our track for it and vote there, no need to wait for the next meeting.
16:19:59 <robyduck> sesivany: +1
16:20:08 <sesivany> of course, if more people show up today it will be great.
16:21:15 <yn1v> Latam meeting log said that the proposal for sponsorship will be pased to famsco this week ... I guess that after latam meeting
16:21:51 <sesivany> #225 is clear, in case of #226 I would say it's not very convincing to us and it's up to the region to decide if they will ask him for more concrete plans etc.
16:22:05 <yn1v> Reeding between lines, everybody think that is too much money but nobody wants to be the bad saying better not to sponsor some one
16:22:16 <robyduck> yes I agree with sesivany
16:22:27 <sesivany> gnokii had very similar, short ticket, but we all know him and his work, so it was not such a problem.
16:22:57 <robyduck> yn1v: if it's too much money you shouldn't sponsor the whole trip, just what you want and can sponsor, IMHO
16:23:12 <sesivany> and one more thing is that in the case of EMEA it was $200 per person while here it's $1000.
16:23:44 <robyduck> regions are not obliged to sponsor poeple for FLOCK
16:23:47 <yn1v> I will bring the issue with numbers in LATAM meeting
16:24:23 <yn1v> I was contacted for my flight to flock and it was around $2,300
16:24:39 <sesivany> yn1v: wow, that's a shitload of money.
16:24:41 <robyduck> wow, that's a lot :/
16:24:50 * masta looks in
16:24:55 <masta> hello
16:24:59 <robyduck> yeah, hi masta
16:25:06 <robyduck> we have a quorum now :)
16:25:36 <sesivany> in this case I'm proposing to only approve the ticket #225.
16:25:54 <robyduck> agree
16:25:57 <sesivany> one person sponsored might be more than enough for the region.
16:26:37 <yn1v> And also is pending the issue of lodging that can use the university dormitories but it adds up
16:26:41 <robyduck> masta we are voting about sponsorship for LATAM people for FLOCK
16:26:49 <robyduck> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-latam/ticket/225
16:26:51 <robyduck> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-latam/ticket/226
16:27:26 <masta> ok, sure...
16:27:30 * masta reads the tickets
16:28:41 <masta> #226 I thought works for the benefactor?
16:29:09 <masta> #225 I'm happy to support going forward.
16:29:20 <yn1v> wow I just serached on expedia ...
16:29:47 <robyduck> sesivany: I guess we have a decision then
16:29:47 <yn1v> did not came with a flight from valencia ... so I looked from caracas
16:30:07 <yn1v> $3,597
16:30:44 <sesivany> wow, that's... that's a lot.
16:31:30 <sesivany> yn1v: how much is a flight to London for example?
16:32:34 <sesivany> yn1v: he can fly to a big hub and then take a low-cost airline from there. Those airlines are not part of the ticket system, so you need to buy it separately, but it might be much cheaper.
16:32:35 <yn1v> again no results from valencia
16:33:02 <yn1v> caracas london $3600
16:33:31 <sesivany> not much better, looks like all flights to Europe are expensive.
16:33:35 <yn1v> The other issue is to see if echevemaster have a US visa
16:34:10 <yn1v> Because if he does not have visa, it has to pick a conection in panama or mexico to flight to europe
16:34:43 <sesivany> anyway, I don't think it's an issue we are supposed to solve now. let's approve the ticket and then he will have to figure out if he can make it with the subsidy or not.
16:34:43 <yn1v> I think that there is a local tax that is inflating the prices
16:35:07 <robyduck> sesivany: +1
16:35:22 <sesivany> +1
16:35:46 <sesivany> robyduck: are we already voting, or it was just to support my opinion? :)
16:35:52 <robyduck> +1
16:36:01 <robyduck> both :)
16:36:07 <sesivany> ok,
16:36:13 <sesivany> masta, yn1v?
16:36:51 <yn1v> I support echevemaster application
16:36:55 <masta> +1 225
16:37:10 <masta> +0 226
16:37:37 <sesivany> +0 from me for #226, too.
16:37:51 <yn1v> but we have to see how we are gong to deal with money... I think latam said $2000 and we are now talking about $4000 if you think lodging
16:38:39 <yn1v> In any case, Latam will meet tomorrow and pass formally the mater to famsco
16:38:57 <sesivany> yn1v: well, we approve $2000 and now it's up to him if he can find a way to get to Flock that makes sense with the budget given.
16:39:08 <sesivany> yn1v: it's definitely not a wildcard for $4000.
16:39:10 <yn1v> yes
16:39:24 <sesivany> if $2000 is not enough, then we can't do much about it.
16:39:32 <robyduck> +1
16:40:07 <masta> it is the reality of things
16:40:25 <yn1v> funny ... itamar trip is about $1500
16:40:31 <robyduck> next topic?
16:40:54 <sesivany> #agreed FAmSCo approves echevemaster's sponsorship request for Flock.
16:41:45 <sesivany> yn1v: well, if echevemaster can't make it, you can give a wildcard to itamar. But that's another decision.
16:42:56 <yn1v> yup
16:43:24 <sesivany> #agreed Considering only one sponsored person makes sense due to budget limits and travel costs FAmSCo doesn't approve itamar's request.
16:44:02 <sesivany> ok, I think we're done with this topic.
16:44:14 <masta> yes
16:44:17 <masta> done
16:44:23 <sesivany> I've got one more related to Flock sponsorships.
16:45:09 <sesivany> #topic Raising the limit per person for the EMEA Flock sponsorships
16:45:57 <sesivany> because we only received 7 requests, we can actually give people subsidies up to $300 instead of $200.
16:46:30 <sesivany> the region couldn't decide about it at last meeting (lack of people) and they delegated it to FAmSCo again.
16:46:44 <masta> is that $280 ?
16:47:42 <masta> regardless, that seems fine.. how ever much the amount increases
16:47:43 <sesivany> masta: the overall limit is $2000 which is $285 per ticket if we have 7 requests.
16:47:56 <yn1v> I don't see a problem with that
16:47:59 * robyduck is +0 about this request, not reaching ten persons doesn't mean to force the Region to spend the whole budget
16:48:11 <sesivany> but not everyone will use all the money, so having the limit of $300 is pretty safe in terms of budgeting.
16:48:27 <robyduck> EMEA could spend the rest for Regional purposes
16:48:31 <sesivany> robyduck: fair enough
16:49:06 <sesivany> then it's solved because we won't get 4 votes without you and I don't have a strong opinion about it, so no need to argue about it.
16:49:08 <masta> robyduck: there is some merit to what you say....
16:49:26 <robyduck> and also 200$ for EMEA guys is pretty ok, IIRC we agreed that a partial subsidy would be perhaps the best
16:49:26 <masta> is there any chance people would apply for funds at the last minute?
16:49:53 <robyduck> sesivany: maybe only for pandaconstantin 200$ are not so much
16:49:54 <yn1v> I also don't have a strong opinion either way
16:50:09 <sesivany> masta: they can't apply, it's closed. It's about raising the limit for approved tickets.
16:50:51 <masta> sesivany: then in that case, I say let there be a windfall, and give the aproximatly 285
16:51:08 <masta> their lucky day
16:51:09 <robyduck> what about raising the limit for him (from Africa) and leaving the rest at 200$? This will leave 500$ in the Region's pockets
16:51:51 <yn1v> makes sense
16:52:02 <masta> robyduck: hrm... sounds practical, but is there any appearance of unfairness?
16:52:11 <sesivany> robyduck: he is not the one who asked for it and apparently doesn't need it so much.
16:52:35 <robyduck> yes, sure it's kinda unfair, it's just a practical idea
16:53:05 <yn1v> agree is practical
16:53:06 <robyduck> ok, then let's not make unfair decisions :)
16:53:28 <sesivany> robyduck: pandaconstantion asked for covering accommodation, you can get accommodation for $200 in Prague.
16:53:48 <robyduck> ok, I didn't remember the detailled request, thanks.
16:54:09 <sesivany> others asked for raising the limit because they can't even cover the flight tickets with $200, but if we don't have a consensus on this, that's ok.
16:55:30 <masta> we can meet half way.
16:55:32 <sesivany> as I said it was an extra sponsorship program that came from a budget that is not intended for this.
16:56:02 <sesivany> so not raising the limit is also a valid outcome.
16:56:32 <masta> this makes sense
16:57:31 <masta> I'm all for equalizing the funds allocated, or doing exactly as promised... the $200. either way seems fair to me.
16:57:43 <robyduck> masta: +1
16:57:55 <sesivany> ok, let's assume that FAmSCo just don't reach an agreement, no problem, IMHO it's a question for the region anyway. They can always decide for it at the next meeting.
16:58:24 <yn1v> +1 either way seems fair
16:58:33 <masta> sesivany: I would urge the region to equalize the funds.... for their best outcome.
16:59:18 <sesivany> masta: that's my standpoint, if raising then the same for all.
17:00:09 <sesivany> I still believe people don't spend more money if they don't need to, so if someone was ok with $200 he would not spend more just because he can get more.
17:00:38 <sesivany> robyduck: are you ok with not making the decision and letting the region decide?
17:00:49 <robyduck> sure sesivany
17:01:00 <robyduck> it's the budget of the Region
17:01:09 <sesivany> I like those agnostic decisions :)
17:01:17 <robyduck> ^^
17:02:05 <sesivany> #info FAmSCo doesn't reach a consensus on raising a limit from $200 to $300 for EMEA sponsorship requests for Flock.
17:02:25 <sesivany> ok, that seems to be it for today, or any other topics?
17:02:58 <robyduck> mentoring, but cwickert wanted to add something to the ticket
17:03:13 <robyduck> so let's move it to the next week
17:03:22 <sesivany> robyduck: +1
17:03:40 <sesivany> if it's all thanks for coming and meet you next week!
17:04:10 <robyduck> see you next time, cheers
17:04:13 <sesivany> #endmeeting