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16:03:15 <tuanta> #meetingname FAmSCo Weekly Meeting 2014-08-19
16:03:15 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco_weekly_meeting_2014-08-19'
16:03:18 <lbazan> .fas lbazan
16:03:20 <zodbot> lbazan: lbazan 'Luis Enrique Bazán De León' <bazanluis20@gmail.com>
16:03:27 <lbazan> morning!!!
16:03:28 <yn1v> .fas yn1v
16:03:29 <lbazan> xD
16:03:29 <zodbot> yn1v: yn1v 'Neville A. Cross' <yn1v@taygon.com>
16:03:31 <tuanta> #topic Roll call
16:03:35 <tuanta> .fas tuanta
16:03:35 <zodbot> tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com>
16:03:47 <robyduck> .fas robyduck
16:03:48 <zodbot> robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' <robyduck@gmail.com>
16:03:49 <tuanta> good evening :)
16:03:54 <lbazan> :)
16:04:01 <tuanta> ping masta
16:04:08 <robyduck> Hi Tuan
16:04:14 <tuanta> Hi robyduck
16:04:43 <tuanta> #info Jiri sent regrets
16:04:56 <lbazan> tuanta: ok
16:04:57 * tuanta looking for cwickert around
16:05:43 * tuanta can not see him on IRC
16:05:47 <tuanta> lets start
16:06:09 <tuanta> have you got any topic coming up today?
16:06:24 <tuanta> I got an upcoming event in APAC
16:06:31 <tuanta> Hanoi SFD 2014
16:06:50 <robyduck> the one in september?
16:07:03 <tuanta> yes
16:07:20 <tuanta> lets start discussing on it
16:07:26 <lbazan> ok
16:07:35 <tuanta> #topic APAC event: Hanoi SFD 2014
16:07:45 <tuanta> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Hanoi_SFD_2014
16:08:20 <tuanta> fund allocation has been approved in the last regional meeting
16:09:19 <tuanta> I will support for some Fedora contributors to come to organize some activities in SFD and also have a one-day meetup
16:09:28 <tuanta> s/I/we, I meant
16:10:08 <robyduck> cool, I see there are already some of them
16:10:16 <tuanta> APAC meeting minutes (for recording): https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/meetingminutes/2014-August/001352.html
16:10:42 <tuanta> yes, robyduck. we got some registration
16:10:51 <tuanta> registration period is in this week
16:11:04 <tuanta> this weekend, we will have a meeting to decide fund support
16:11:21 <tuanta> basing on fund requests and allocated budget
16:12:13 <robyduck> tuanta: looks like SFD is a regional event. Anything you need for it?
16:12:17 <tuanta> I am curious if this (fund allocation) needs FAmSCo approval?
16:12:58 <robyduck> tuanta: you probably planned it during the budget planning (at APAC FAD?)
16:13:11 <tuanta> because it is about $3500, not a small amount (especially compared to our expenses from the beginning of FY2015)
16:13:20 <lbazan> tuanta: mmm
16:13:21 <lbazan> I think it is not necessary
16:13:31 <lbazan> tuanta: regional is 500..
16:13:52 <robyduck> no, if it is a planned event it's not. Budget has been already approved then.
16:13:53 <tuanta> not really, robyduck. It is a separated event. We are planning it in Phnom Penh, Cambodia on Nov
16:14:01 <lbazan> robyduck: +1
16:14:27 <tuanta> it was listed in annual plan
16:14:46 <tuanta> but budget has been increased
16:15:37 <tuanta> previously, we had not got plan to invite more APAC contributors come
16:15:50 <tuanta> just inside Vietnam team
16:15:57 <robyduck> so you planned 500$?
16:16:00 <robyduck> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/APAC/Budget:2015#Events_3
16:16:03 <tuanta> yes, robyduck
16:16:15 <tuanta> luckily, we have reserved/unspent budget for it
16:17:11 <robyduck> tuanta: if it will not touch your annual budget you are fine with it I think, and you also have unspent funds, so...
16:17:39 <tuanta> thanks, robyduck. Annual budget is still manageable
16:19:01 <robyduck> then you don't need approval I guess ;)
16:19:21 <tuanta> I think so too. But just want it to be confirmed
16:19:22 <robyduck> as I said the annual APAC budget has already been approved
16:19:24 <tuanta> thanks robyduck :)
16:19:47 <tuanta> that's all from my side
16:19:57 <tuanta> any other topics come up today, guys?
16:20:27 <robyduck> I think we should wait for Jiri and cwickert to discuss the mentoring process, right?
16:20:41 <tuanta> yes, I think so
16:20:47 <robyduck> ok
16:21:11 * robyduck has to bring up a topic
16:21:11 <tuanta> #chair robyduck lbazan yn1v
16:21:11 <zodbot> Current chairs: lbazan robyduck tuanta yn1v
16:21:25 <lbazan> fudcon?, others?
16:21:57 <yn1v> one moment phone call
16:22:13 <robyduck> time ago we decided for the Ambassadors clean-up, do we want to run the script? When? Who will take care of emailing people about it?
16:22:14 <tuanta> ah, yes. I have got some updates (not really big) about FUDCon APAC
16:22:39 * robyduck doesn't remember if we have the modified wiki page and process online...:/
16:22:43 <tuanta> #topic Ambassadors clean-up
16:23:07 * tuanta is checking wiki
16:23:26 * yn1v is back
16:23:32 <robyduck> tuanta: I run some tests and the script is working fine (thx pingou)
16:23:41 <tuanta> cool
16:23:48 <yn1v> I think that the wiki has not been modified
16:24:31 <tuanta> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService#Removal_Process_for_Ambassador.27s_Membership
16:24:32 <robyduck> IIRC we decided to get in contact with the non-active people and if there are no answers after 2 weeks to proceed.
16:25:20 <tuanta> who can do update wiki?
16:25:24 <tuanta> robyduck, can you?
16:25:46 <robyduck> tuanta: yes I can do that, just need to get back to our minutes
16:25:59 <tuanta> +1 robyduck
16:26:54 <robyduck> then let's first update the wiki page, get the info out to the regional meetings, so that all are aware of it, and then start the clean-up the first time
16:26:59 <robyduck> would that be ok?
16:27:33 <yn1v> besides regional meetings, it should be sent on local mailing list
16:27:45 <robyduck> #action robyduck will update the Ambassador wiki page to include the cleanup process
16:27:46 <tuanta> +1 robyduck
16:28:22 <robyduck> yn1v: local mailing list?
16:28:58 <yn1v> there is a latam-ambassadors and marketing-brazil taht works as brazil ambassadors.
16:29:07 <tuanta> yn1v, it is also fine. I think we should use any methods to get in touch with them
16:29:10 <robyduck> ah, ok, yes
16:29:25 <yn1v> not sure how other mailing list are there similar to those
16:29:38 <tuanta> however, it may be *unofficial* method only
16:29:39 <robyduck> yn1v: it's up to the regional Chair I think how to get the info out.
16:30:00 <tuanta> because some regional (liek APAC) has not got regional mailing lists
16:30:14 <robyduck> EMEA neither
16:30:41 <robyduck> it's all I think, nex topic?
16:30:47 <tuanta> so, it is regional specific things, I think
16:30:51 <yn1v> there is such thing as regional chair?
16:31:21 <yn1v> yes, it may be specific region that have mailing list, but I think is worth mention it
16:31:46 <robyduck> yn1v: any channel to reach ambassadors is good for that, IMHO ;)
16:32:16 <yn1v> agreed, spread the word
16:32:57 <robyduck> yup
16:33:34 <tuanta> ok, lets switch to FUDCons?
16:33:38 <lbazan> ok
16:33:40 <lbazan> yn1v: :)
16:34:05 <tuanta> #topic FUDCon LATAM 2014
16:34:18 <yn1v> There was a big issue because budget was reduced from $15K
16:34:20 <tuanta> any updates, yn1v, lbazan ?
16:34:33 <tuanta> how much is it now?
16:34:59 <yn1v> to $10K. The cost has been $15k and the difference has been paid by sponsosrs
16:35:00 <tuanta> IIRC, FUDCon Beijing was allocated $12 only
16:35:18 <tuanta> yn1v, you can ask Ruth for more budget
16:35:22 <yn1v> Ruth said that if we need more money, we should ask for it.
16:35:30 <tuanta> APAC did that for FUDCon Beijing
16:35:42 <yn1v> The thing is that there is only 8 fund request on trac
16:35:59 <yn1v> I can run the event with the $10K
16:36:07 <yn1v> But I have two concerns
16:36:10 <robyduck> yn1v: well it's rather early for requests right now
16:36:31 <yn1v> 1) there is people from ambassadors who happen to be in packaging and infra
16:36:37 <tuanta> has Call for participants been sent to mailing lists?
16:37:12 <yn1v> yes, we sent to mailing list
16:37:25 <robyduck> really?
16:37:30 <yn1v> it was a early requets to figure it out if we need more money
16:37:32 <robyduck> Ouch, then I missed it :/
16:38:14 <yn1v> So my concern is that there is no representation from teams like translation and design
16:38:29 <tuanta> yn1v, can you paste the archive link here for recording?
16:38:38 <tuanta> ok, and what is your second concern?
16:38:56 <yn1v> in the proposed topics there is not coverage for Fedora.next
16:39:14 <yn1v> I think that topics like cockpit also should be covered
16:39:38 <yn1v> I have been writing to people on those teams, but so far I have no concrete candidates
16:39:41 <tuanta> +1 yn1v. That should be changed
16:40:22 <tuanta> AFAIK, there are a lot of translators in Brazil
16:40:31 <robyduck> tuanta: +1
16:40:35 <yn1v> My second concern is about budget. If fudcon is prove to be run under 10K, then it will be much difficult to justify more money next time
16:40:56 <tuanta> it makes sense, yn1v
16:41:06 <lbazan> yn1v: +1
16:41:50 <tuanta> if you can solve #1 (invite more people from other teams), #2 will be solved out too
16:41:50 <yn1v> I reached first for Spanish translators. I will look for people in brazil that are active translator and manage enough spanish
16:42:02 <robyduck> yn1v: it's not that you run the FUDCon under 10k, you run it with 15k. It's proved you need 15k, in my opinion. You just found some sponsors this time and have a free venue IIRC
16:42:26 <tuanta> +1 robyduck
16:42:31 <yn1v> yes, I know if I got more people I will need more money
16:43:19 <yn1v> I will keep trying to reach other teams
16:43:24 <tuanta> yn1v, if you can not find more appropriated people inside LATAM, I suggest you can invite some others from other regions
16:43:40 <yn1v> I feel that the project is underepresented if we have few teams.
16:43:55 <yn1v> Yes
16:44:06 <tuanta> there are some quite active design team members in EMEA, e.g gnokii
16:44:08 <robyduck> yep, US is not so far away, Europe would be expensive I think
16:44:23 <yn1v> Yes, I am aiming to USA
16:44:37 <robyduck> tuanta: are the dates of FUDCon the same as for Phnom Penh?
16:44:47 <yn1v> Even, it is cheaper to bring somebody from USA that from South America
16:44:51 * tuanta is checking
16:45:54 <tuanta> robyduck, no. FAD PP is on Nov
16:46:03 <yn1v> robyduck, do you want to come?
16:46:14 <tuanta> 15-16th of Nov
16:46:17 <tuanta> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:PhnomPenh_2014#Date_and_Place
16:46:31 <yn1v> We have a bit of a clash with latinoware been one week before
16:46:59 <robyduck> yn1v: I wanted to come, yes, but I don't know if it's in my budget this year.
16:47:20 <lbazan> yn1v: I think Fudcon Budget cover robyduck ...
16:47:23 <tuanta> yn1v, I would like to come too but I am not sure how much does flight costs
16:47:25 <yn1v> open a ticket on fudcon-planing trac
16:47:30 <robyduck> lbazan: lol
16:47:35 <lbazan> robyduck: :)
16:47:36 <lbazan> xD
16:47:39 <tuanta> also you said you prefer someone from design team
16:47:41 <lbazan> robyduck: create your ticket please
16:48:25 <yn1v> I said that I wanted wider representation, having people from other teams.
16:48:34 <robyduck> lbazan: will check that out, but I also know about how hard it is to get all the stuff into 10k$
16:49:04 <yn1v> And that my first attempts were with translation and design ... but I think having people from different teams is what we need
16:50:03 <yn1v> robyduck, I will ask Ruth for more money if I got some other request like yours
16:50:11 <lbazan> yn1v: +1
16:50:19 <robyduck> yn1v: you should also start a Call of Paper in a few, then you see what topics you'll have covered and what is missing
16:50:40 <yn1v> I will send again the call for papers
16:51:07 <robyduck> again? Did I miss also the Call of Papers and not only of Participants?
16:51:47 <tuanta> +1 yn1v
16:52:04 <yn1v> this is the link for the call of papers
16:52:08 <yn1v> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2014-June/022575.html
16:52:44 * robyduck is hiding himself behind his laptop....
16:54:22 <yn1v> robyduck, don't worry, I have been in the same spot ... asking something that I miss on the email list
16:54:36 <robyduck> :)
16:54:49 <tuanta> ")
16:55:09 <tuanta> robyduck, we should consider to attend :)
16:55:17 <robyduck> anything else for FUDCon we can do to help?
16:55:29 <robyduck> tuanta: I guess, but I can't come to PP then
16:55:35 <tuanta> cross-region sharing is also good for our community
16:55:50 <tuanta> poor you robyduck :)
16:56:00 <robyduck> uff
16:56:07 <tuanta> I am very near there :)
16:56:09 <yn1v> If you think of somebody that can help been from other team and/or talking about fedora.next
16:56:24 <yn1v> please let them know that we at Fudcon managua need them
16:56:49 <tuanta> the best person who can talk a lot about Fedora.next is FPL
16:57:02 <tuanta> you did invite Matthew?
16:57:13 <yn1v> yes, I asked in Prague and he said he won't be avaliable
16:57:21 <yn1v> :(
16:57:35 <tuanta> I can prepare something related to Ambassadors work for Fedora.next
16:57:41 <tuanta> but I am not sure I can attend
16:58:20 <tuanta> I am now in Server WG and I am in charge of making it
16:58:48 <tuanta> ok, lets see
16:58:55 <yn1v> tuanta, in that case we should figure it out how much is it
16:59:27 <tuanta> just searching flights, about $2k, too expensive, I think
17:00:02 <yn1v> A bit expensive, but we can try ;-
17:00:05 <yn1v> ;-)
17:00:20 <robyduck> do we have anything else today?
17:00:22 <tuanta> anyone from NA is the best opportunity for you
17:00:30 <tuanta> nothing from me
17:00:34 <lbazan> nope
17:00:48 <yn1v> or you can point to some one that is in the USA working on server
17:01:28 <yn1v> not necessarily been on the Governance of the working group
17:02:02 <yn1v> I have shared my concerns, I have nothing else for today
17:02:24 <tuanta> yn1v, it is best to resend your call for participants to some wider mailing lists such as announce@
17:02:40 <robyduck> thx yn1v
17:02:44 <tuanta> or you need to send it cross multipleones
17:03:01 <yn1v> yes, I will
17:03:28 <tuanta> you can also send to server@ one to look for someone either
17:03:45 <tuanta> ok, that's all today, I think
17:03:54 <tuanta> #topic Open Floor
17:04:04 <tuanta> anything else, guys?
17:04:18 * tuanta is waiting for 120s...
17:05:32 <tuanta> thank you all for your time
17:05:37 <tuanta> #endmeeting