17:00:44 <jreznik> #startmeeting F21 Final Go/No-Go meeting
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17:00:45 <jreznik> #meetingname F21 Final Go/No-Go meeting
17:00:45 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'f21_final_go/no-go_meeting'
17:01:00 <jreznik> hey all today!
17:01:09 <jreznik> #topic Roll Call
17:01:17 <jreznik> who's here today?
17:01:22 <sgallagh> .hello sgallagh
17:01:24 <zodbot> sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' <sgallagh@redhat.com>
17:01:41 * kparal is here
17:01:44 <sgallagh> I'll represent Development
17:02:40 <jreznik> #chair kparal sgallagh roshi mattdm
17:02:40 <zodbot> Current chairs: jreznik kparal mattdm roshi sgallagh
17:02:58 <jreznik> adamw, dgilmore, are you around too?
17:03:03 <danofsatx-work> .hello dmossor
17:03:03 * mattdm is here
17:03:07 <zodbot> danofsatx-work: dmossor 'Dan Mossor' <danofsatx@gmail.com>
17:03:21 <roshi> .hello roshi
17:03:22 <zodbot> roshi: roshi 'Mike Ruckman' <mruckman@redhat.com>
17:03:29 * sesivany is following...
17:03:46 <Southern_Gentlem> .hello jbwillia
17:03:47 <zodbot> Southern_Gentlem: jbwillia 'Ben Williams' <vaioof@yahoo.com>
17:03:50 <jreznik> sesivany is indeed following me, we're sharing this hostel room
17:03:55 * Southern_Gentlem lurking
17:04:23 <jwb> i'm here
17:04:24 <jreznik> let's wait a bit for more folks to appear
17:06:18 <jreznik> hi Southern_Gentlem and jwb
17:06:29 <jreznik> #topic Purpose of this meeting
17:06:29 <jreznik> #info Purpose of this meeting is to see whether or not F21 Final is ready for shipment, according to the release criteria.
17:06:32 <jreznik> #info This is determined in a few ways:
17:06:33 <jreznik> #info No remaining blocker bugs
17:06:34 <jreznik> #info Release candidate compose is available
17:06:36 <jreznik> #info Test matrices for Final are fully completed
17:06:37 <jreznik> #link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/21/final/buglist
17:06:39 <jreznik> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_21_Final_RC5_Installation
17:06:40 <jreznik> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_21_Final_RC5_Base
17:06:42 <jreznik> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_21_Final_RC5_Desktop
17:06:43 <jreznik> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_21_Final_RC5_Server
17:07:04 <jreznik> to make my formal me happy
17:07:27 <jreznik> #topic Current status
17:08:09 <jreznik> so for current status - we have Fedora 21 Final RC5 available for go/no-go decision
17:08:35 <jreznik> currently we have 0 blocker bugs proposed!
17:08:46 <sgallagh> #info Fedora 21 Final RC5 available for go/no-go decision
17:08:49 <jreznik> I hope kparal is ok with not a bug for the bug he proposed earlier today
17:08:57 <sgallagh> #info 0 blocker bugs currently proposed
17:08:58 <kparal> jreznik: sure
17:09:18 <sgallagh> #info All current blocker bugs are marked VERIFIED or CLOSED
17:09:29 <sgallagh> undo
17:09:30 <jreznik> sgallagh: thanks sgallagh, I'd info it after short summary but good to have you here
17:09:38 <sgallagh> #info All currently accepted blocker bugs are marked VERIFIED or CLOSED
17:10:14 <jreznik> let's do test matrices coverage here in this section too
17:10:18 <sgallagh> ... I did that wrong. Oh well, we'll record it strongly :)
17:10:18 <jreznik> kparal, roshi?
17:10:49 <roshi> things are looking pretty solid
17:10:50 * kparal is not the fudge master
17:11:20 <roshi> strictly speaking, the *entire* matrix isn't complete
17:11:56 <roshi> but from what I can tell, all the highpoints have been pretty thoroughly tested
17:12:03 <kparal> there are some missing test cases: SAS, hwraid, xen, fcoe, multipath
17:12:07 <roshi> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_21_Final_RC5_Summary
17:12:13 <kparal> some fedup over uefi
17:12:21 <mattdm> roshi: and some of the lowpoints :)
17:12:22 <jreznik> #info test matrices coverage looks pretty solid but it's not completed
17:12:32 <roshi> adamw pinged whoever does the usual xen tests
17:12:46 <roshi> true mattdm :)
17:12:56 <roshi> I'm double checking EC2 now
17:12:59 <roshi> seems to be working fine
17:13:11 <jreznik> for arm kde I see pwhalen filling it in
17:13:17 <kparal> Cloud is missing in Base matrix, ARM tests in Server
17:13:25 <mattdm> EC2 should cover Xen, at least in some cases
17:13:44 <roshi> we need to take cloud out of the base tests there
17:13:50 <roshi> I didn't even see that there :)
17:13:54 <Southern_Gentlem> ?
17:13:58 <jreznik> kparal, sgallagh: is ARM release blocking for Server?
17:13:58 <roshi> all the cloud tests are split out
17:14:13 <kparal> arm is primary, so I guess it is
17:14:16 <sgallagh> jreznik: Yes, it is.
17:14:32 <sgallagh> (For ARM platforms that can install via anaconda)
17:15:02 <sgallagh> I'm not overly-concerned; it passed those at Beta. pwhalen, any chance you can run at least a couple quick installs?
17:15:07 <jreznik> kparal: I wasn't sure after that ARM not, ARM yes
17:15:13 * danofsatx-work is currently researching testing ARM server via QEMU
17:15:22 <sgallagh> danofsatx-work: Thanks!
17:15:24 <pwhalen> sgallagh, for sure, sorry trying to get them all folks.
17:15:25 <kparal> in installation matrix, I don't think we can test the exotic hardware easily, as nobody did during the whole release. so we need to probably just waive it
17:15:47 <roshi> or get people hardware :p
17:15:47 <sgallagh> pwhalen: I'll be comfortable-enough if a standard, accept-all-defaults install works
17:15:53 <kparal> a few other missing fields should be fine, we've been testing that in older composes
17:16:03 <pwhalen> sgallagh, that it does
17:16:32 <sgallagh> pwhalen: Thanks
17:16:58 <jreznik> kparal: ok
17:17:32 <jreznik> so is qe happy with current test matrices coverage or is there anything that concerns you and we would have to fire it/wait for results?
17:17:43 <Southern_Gentlem> my question is is there anything considered major out of the rc5 test that didnt get tested or passed the rc4 test
17:18:00 <Southern_Gentlem> didnt pass
17:18:37 <adamw> ahoy
17:18:48 <adamw> didn't the announcement say 2hrs from now?
17:19:02 <jreznik> adamw: it's readiness meeting
17:19:06 <jreznik> and ahoy!
17:19:08 <adamw> gah. too many meetings
17:19:35 <adamw> hold on, lemme see what we're missing.
17:19:43 <roshi> from what I can tell, I think our coverage is looking pretty good
17:20:05 <jreznik> we're now discussing test coverage, is there anything that really concerns you we should finish? seems like the rest of the team is pretty happy with current coverage
17:20:28 <adamw> i'm looking at it.
17:20:31 <adamw> hold on.
17:20:47 <adamw> hw raid i did last night, lemme check that box.
17:21:28 <kparal> see? I said I don't have enough fudging skills
17:21:31 <adamw> UEFI KVM guests are kinda optional, really.
17:22:04 <tflink> doesn't that still require jumping through some strange-ish hoops to make it work?
17:22:13 <kparal> ovmf, yes
17:22:27 <kparal> if I didn't swap the letters
17:22:41 <kparal> you can't have it straight out of the box
17:22:45 <jreznik> kparal: we also have aavmf now or better AAVMF :)
17:22:50 <danofsatx-work> no, you're right - open virtual machine framework
17:23:08 <roshi> you either have to compile from source or add a repo that has it packaged already
17:23:15 <kparal> right
17:23:18 * danofsatx-work sees the AMF logo from the bowling alley
17:23:20 <roshi> the wiki has instructions (which I just found out about yesterday)
17:23:26 <adamw> the fedup coverage is fine, don't really need all package sets on all arches, but it's difficult to express stuff like 'all package sets on some arch, at least one on each arch' in the matrix
17:24:03 <adamw> yeah, i wouldn't say it's 'strange-ish', but it requires a package outside fedora, so it would be odd to block on it (though it's just a license bs thing)
17:24:18 <jreznik> contains non free software
17:24:35 <jreznik> fat driver I think
17:24:39 <danofsatx-work> that it does, unfortunately.
17:24:40 <roshi> yeah
17:24:43 <roshi> that's it jreznik
17:25:03 <adamw> SAS we've never found anyone with the hardware, I think we'll have to take that test out. or get some money.
17:25:08 <danofsatx-work> Until MS (or is it Intel?) opens that driver, UEFI is a non starter for Fedora.
17:25:35 <jreznik> adamw: if we can't test it, it should really be optional
17:25:44 <adamw> yeah.
17:25:58 <adamw> i guess the two i'd most like to see get done are xen and fcoe
17:26:30 <adamw> no-one's run FCoE ever on this cycle, and xen hasn't been done since beta rc1. i don't have the setup for either, though.
17:26:31 <sgallagh> adamw: I've actually got a SAS Dell box, but it's semi-production
17:27:33 <adamw> i mailed konrad at oracle, our usual xen tester, yesterday, didn't hear back yet
17:27:43 <sgallagh> I'm planning on moving it from RHEL7 to Fedora, so I'll make a point to have it be part of the F22 testing, when that starts. Fair?
17:28:13 <adamw> sure
17:28:25 <adamw> really i just put that one in the matrix to check how closely people read hte criteria. :P
17:28:44 <jsmith> adamw: You're so sneaky!
17:29:17 <adamw> if we have anyone in a position to test FCoE or Xen i'd prefer to hold the meeting while we check those quick
17:29:51 * jsmith has no such animals in his zoo
17:30:04 <mattdm> adamw: does ec2 pvm with the cloud images satisfactorily cover xen?
17:30:05 <danofsatx-work> I can't do Xen at all. I could have possibly done FCoE, but it's too late to set it up.
17:30:08 * tflink doesn't have the available hardware to set up either of those right now
17:30:47 * danofsatx-work has a buddy that is a storage engineer for IBM - he has FCoE on his desk at work ;)
17:31:30 <mattdm> was FCoE tested for the earlier candidates at all?
17:31:42 <roshi> nope, don't think so
17:31:46 <jreznik> mattdm: no
17:32:03 <jreznik> so I'd say skip, we can't really support that
17:32:16 <mattdm> Yes, please.
17:32:44 <adamw> if no-one's gonna be available to test fcoe we're gonna have to drop it from the criteria
17:32:52 <Southern_Gentlem> document and move on
17:33:03 <adamw> document what, 'we didn't test it, sorry'? :)
17:33:18 <Southern_Gentlem> that it wasnt tested so ymmv
17:33:43 <mattdm> possibly #info for server working group if that's a case they'd like to keep supported.
17:33:46 <jreznik> adamw: well, if don't have that hw/setup and we depend on someone passing around once a while...
17:34:05 <mattdm> (for f22 and beyond. +1 to drop now)
17:34:10 <sgallagh> Yeah, we'd like to support that, but we'll need access to some hardware
17:34:27 <sgallagh> I'm with mattdm: drop the requirement for F21
17:34:33 <adamw> huh. seems fcoe only showed up in the matrix for 21. i thought we had it before.
17:34:48 <danofsatx-work> it was in F20
17:36:22 * jreznik has just talked to dgilmore over phone, he's ok with what have now in case we say go
17:36:32 * adamw seeing if he can test xen
17:36:56 <adamw> danofsatx-work: where? i don't see it in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_20_Final_RC1.1_Install
17:37:53 <adamw> so yeah, i'm fine with waiving fcoe then, as we never set up testing for it.
17:38:12 <danofsatx-work> hmmm.....good question. I jsut remember seeing it - but my memory is suspect today, ask sgallagh
17:38:35 <sgallagh> I don't have any specific knowledge of FCoE being in F20
17:38:48 <sgallagh> And since we don't have the means to test it, I'm not willing to block on it
17:38:49 <danofsatx-work> no, I meant about my suspect memories today ;)
17:39:00 * danofsatx-work needs more coffee
17:39:01 <jreznik> ok, so xen seems to be probably the last candidate to get some testing if possible, right?
17:39:29 <adamw> installing xen gives you six different xen entries in grub. it's nice to have choices.
17:39:38 * adamw goes for "Fedora, with Xen hypervisor"
17:40:19 <adamw> when we added the xen requirement we did say it was contingent on the folks who wanted the criterion doing the testing, so we have fudge space there. but let's see if i can do it.
17:40:47 <jreznik> ok, makes sense
17:42:29 <adamw> welp, anaconda's up and running.
17:44:33 <adamw> lemme run a quick install.
17:46:26 <adamw> shouldn't take long, give it 5-10 mins.
17:47:15 <jalalsfs> adamw, What do you want to test? I'm installing xfce version right now.
17:50:20 <adamw> jalalsfs: for xen? the test case is basically 'install to a paravirt guest and check it works'
17:50:22 <jreznik_2nd> jalalsfs: xfce is optional but it always good to know how it works, it's not blocking
17:50:33 <adamw> other than xen? notthing much.
17:50:36 <roshi> #chair jreznik_2nd
17:50:36 <zodbot> Current chairs: jreznik jreznik_2nd kparal mattdm roshi sgallagh
17:50:43 <adamw> on post-install now
17:50:43 <roshi> figure you want that :)
17:51:28 <jreznik_2nd> roshi: thanks roshi, one of that connection issues I expected :)
17:52:20 * roshi has plenty of chairs to throw your way should you require them
17:52:48 <adamw> well, what I know about xen you can fit on the picture side of a postcard, but it sure looks like it's working, 21-on-21 server DVD install.
17:53:25 * adamw ticks the box
17:54:18 <jreznik_2nd> cool :)
17:54:23 * danofsatx-work has to step away. Carry on without me, folks.
17:54:30 <roshi> later danofsatx-work
17:54:32 <adamw> with that i'll say my vote is coverage is good
17:54:41 <roshi> +1 from me as well
17:54:44 * jreznik_2nd is trying to get other product release get moving in the other window...
17:54:51 <adamw> we haven't quite got to matrix the point where it's 'check every box' yet, so there's a bit of subjectivity.
17:55:13 <jreznik_2nd> but still great job with all that troubles we had!
17:56:11 <jreznik_2nd> #info Fedora QE is ok with test coverage (even not all test were covered due to limited availability of hw/setup)
17:56:22 <jreznik_2nd> ok, so I think we can move on
17:56:42 <jreznik_2nd> and directly to that topic everyone waits for!
17:56:53 <jreznik_2nd> #topic Go/No-Go decision
17:57:55 <jreznik_2nd> adamw, roshi, sgallagh, mattdm others?
17:58:04 <sgallagh> Go!
17:58:19 <roshi> Go
17:58:20 <mattdm> Go!
17:58:30 <adamw> QA is a bit sad about that one blocker fudge, but per our policy, coverage is deemed OK and there are no unaddressed blockers, so Go
17:58:41 <roshi> +1 ^^
17:58:53 * kparal agrees
17:58:54 <jreznik_2nd> for record, dgilmore is go too
17:58:56 * oddshocks discovers things are happening in this channel
17:59:18 <jreznik_2nd> proposal #agreed Fedora 21 Final status is go by Release Engineering, QA and Development
17:59:31 <mattdm> \o/
17:59:40 <sgallagh> ack
17:59:43 <pwhalen> \o/ indeed :)
17:59:44 <oddshocks> w00t
17:59:46 <adamw> ack
17:59:48 <roshi> ack
17:59:49 <sgallagh> Unless oddshocks is about to contradict?
18:00:00 * jreznik_2nd will kick oddshocks in that case!
18:00:11 <kparal> ack
18:00:23 <adamw> oddshocks: ever get the feeling you're in the grand soviet? :)
18:00:36 <jreznik_2nd> #agreed Fedora 21 Final status is go by Release Engineering, QA and Development
18:00:42 * adamw looks down at voting form, notes both boxes are marked 'go'
18:01:08 * adamw looks at mattdm suspiciously
18:01:19 <mattdm> heheheheheh
18:01:30 <jreznik_2nd> thanks everyone!
18:01:36 <mattdm> OMG $BEVERAGES FOR ALL
18:01:50 <jreznik_2nd> #action jreznik to announce go decision and update releng ticket
18:01:55 <jreznik_2nd> #topic open floor
18:02:21 <jreznik_2nd> #info readiness meeting will be held in one hour, the same channel
18:02:25 <sgallagh> /me opens the Champagne barrel.
18:02:34 <roshi> oooh, barrel fresh :)
18:02:42 * adamw wonders what trick sgallagh uses so his /mes don't work
18:02:46 * jreznik_2nd hopes to lead readiness meeting from nearby pub :)
18:02:57 <roshi> the illustrious pre-pended space
18:02:59 <jreznik_2nd> /me this trick?
18:03:00 <sgallagh> adamw: They always appear right to me...
18:03:02 <sgallagh> Including that one
18:03:11 <adamw> jreznik_2nd: no, there's no space, i looked
18:03:24 <adamw> sgallagh: they come up with a literal /me here
18:03:27 <jreznik_2nd> wow, sgallagh is magician!
18:03:27 <roshi> oh, odd
18:03:27 <adamw> just yours
18:03:30 <roshi> same here
18:03:35 <adamw> it's a blocker!
18:03:38 <adamw> hold the phones
18:03:43 <adamw> :P
18:03:47 <sgallagh> /me puts down the red phone
18:03:50 * nirik is now lurking.
18:03:56 <roshi> great, you just gave the FPL a heart attack
18:04:02 <mattdm> ⁄me different slash?
18:04:10 <pwhalen> what client sgallagh ?
18:04:17 <adamw> mattdm: that one looks slightly different
18:04:19 <sgallagh> Is there more than one kind of forward slash?
18:04:24 <roshi> we all just nerd-sniped ourselves
18:04:26 <mattdm> sgallagh: oh god yes.
18:04:26 <sgallagh> pwhalen: Pidgin
18:04:32 <adamw> sgallagh: unicode probably has a whole section for them
18:04:44 <adamw> 'SLIGHTLY QUIZZICAL FORWARD SLASH B'
18:04:50 <gholms> Heh
18:05:14 <mattdm> I see that the champagne is already flowing
18:05:20 <roshi> for the record: http://xkcd.com/356/
18:05:34 <oddshocks> sgallagh: jreznik_2nd: adamw: no oppositions from me ;)
18:05:35 <sgallagh> /me may have stuck a straw in the barrel an hour or so ago, in preparation
18:05:42 * jreznik_2nd is drinking pepsi
18:06:44 <jreznik_2nd> ok, so thanks again and see most of you in one hour!
18:06:50 <roshi> sgtm
18:06:50 <jreznik_2nd> setting fuse to
18:06:51 <adamw> thanks jreznik
18:06:55 <jreznik_2nd> 3...
18:07:00 <roshi> thanks for running the meeting :)
18:07:17 <jreznik_2nd> roshi: thanks for chairing my second me :)
18:07:25 <roshi> :)
18:09:29 <jreznik_2nd> 2...
18:11:36 <jreznik_2nd> 1...
18:11:44 <jreznik_2nd> #endmeeting