17:00:44 #startmeeting F21 Final Go/No-Go meeting 17:00:44 Meeting started Thu Dec 4 17:00:44 2014 UTC. The chair is jreznik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:44 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:45 #meetingname F21 Final Go/No-Go meeting 17:00:45 The meeting name has been set to 'f21_final_go/no-go_meeting' 17:01:00 hey all today! 17:01:09 #topic Roll Call 17:01:17 who's here today? 17:01:22 .hello sgallagh 17:01:24 sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' 17:01:41 * kparal is here 17:01:44 I'll represent Development 17:02:40 #chair kparal sgallagh roshi mattdm 17:02:40 Current chairs: jreznik kparal mattdm roshi sgallagh 17:02:58 adamw, dgilmore, are you around too? 17:03:03 .hello dmossor 17:03:03 * mattdm is here 17:03:07 danofsatx-work: dmossor 'Dan Mossor' 17:03:21 .hello roshi 17:03:22 roshi: roshi 'Mike Ruckman' 17:03:29 * sesivany is following... 17:03:46 .hello jbwillia 17:03:47 Southern_Gentlem: jbwillia 'Ben Williams' 17:03:50 sesivany is indeed following me, we're sharing this hostel room 17:03:55 * Southern_Gentlem lurking 17:04:23 i'm here 17:04:24 let's wait a bit for more folks to appear 17:06:18 hi Southern_Gentlem and jwb 17:06:29 #topic Purpose of this meeting 17:06:29 #info Purpose of this meeting is to see whether or not F21 Final is ready for shipment, according to the release criteria. 17:06:32 #info This is determined in a few ways: 17:06:33 #info No remaining blocker bugs 17:06:34 #info Release candidate compose is available 17:06:36 #info Test matrices for Final are fully completed 17:06:37 #link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/21/final/buglist 17:06:39 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_21_Final_RC5_Installation 17:06:40 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_21_Final_RC5_Base 17:06:42 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_21_Final_RC5_Desktop 17:06:43 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_21_Final_RC5_Server 17:07:04 to make my formal me happy 17:07:27 #topic Current status 17:08:09 so for current status - we have Fedora 21 Final RC5 available for go/no-go decision 17:08:35 currently we have 0 blocker bugs proposed! 17:08:46 #info Fedora 21 Final RC5 available for go/no-go decision 17:08:49 I hope kparal is ok with not a bug for the bug he proposed earlier today 17:08:57 #info 0 blocker bugs currently proposed 17:08:58 jreznik: sure 17:09:18 #info All current blocker bugs are marked VERIFIED or CLOSED 17:09:29 undo 17:09:30 sgallagh: thanks sgallagh, I'd info it after short summary but good to have you here 17:09:38 #info All currently accepted blocker bugs are marked VERIFIED or CLOSED 17:10:14 let's do test matrices coverage here in this section too 17:10:18 ... I did that wrong. Oh well, we'll record it strongly :) 17:10:18 kparal, roshi? 17:10:49 things are looking pretty solid 17:10:50 * kparal is not the fudge master 17:11:20 strictly speaking, the *entire* matrix isn't complete 17:11:56 but from what I can tell, all the highpoints have been pretty thoroughly tested 17:12:03 there are some missing test cases: SAS, hwraid, xen, fcoe, multipath 17:12:07 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_21_Final_RC5_Summary 17:12:13 some fedup over uefi 17:12:21 roshi: and some of the lowpoints :) 17:12:22 #info test matrices coverage looks pretty solid but it's not completed 17:12:32 adamw pinged whoever does the usual xen tests 17:12:46 true mattdm :) 17:12:56 I'm double checking EC2 now 17:12:59 seems to be working fine 17:13:11 for arm kde I see pwhalen filling it in 17:13:17 Cloud is missing in Base matrix, ARM tests in Server 17:13:25 EC2 should cover Xen, at least in some cases 17:13:44 we need to take cloud out of the base tests there 17:13:50 I didn't even see that there :) 17:13:54 ? 17:13:58 kparal, sgallagh: is ARM release blocking for Server? 17:13:58 all the cloud tests are split out 17:14:13 arm is primary, so I guess it is 17:14:16 jreznik: Yes, it is. 17:14:32 (For ARM platforms that can install via anaconda) 17:15:02 I'm not overly-concerned; it passed those at Beta. pwhalen, any chance you can run at least a couple quick installs? 17:15:07 kparal: I wasn't sure after that ARM not, ARM yes 17:15:13 * danofsatx-work is currently researching testing ARM server via QEMU 17:15:22 danofsatx-work: Thanks! 17:15:24 sgallagh, for sure, sorry trying to get them all folks. 17:15:25 in installation matrix, I don't think we can test the exotic hardware easily, as nobody did during the whole release. so we need to probably just waive it 17:15:47 or get people hardware :p 17:15:47 pwhalen: I'll be comfortable-enough if a standard, accept-all-defaults install works 17:15:53 a few other missing fields should be fine, we've been testing that in older composes 17:16:03 sgallagh, that it does 17:16:32 pwhalen: Thanks 17:16:58 kparal: ok 17:17:32 so is qe happy with current test matrices coverage or is there anything that concerns you and we would have to fire it/wait for results? 17:17:43 my question is is there anything considered major out of the rc5 test that didnt get tested or passed the rc4 test 17:18:00 didnt pass 17:18:37 ahoy 17:18:48 didn't the announcement say 2hrs from now? 17:19:02 adamw: it's readiness meeting 17:19:06 and ahoy! 17:19:08 gah. too many meetings 17:19:35 hold on, lemme see what we're missing. 17:19:43 from what I can tell, I think our coverage is looking pretty good 17:20:05 we're now discussing test coverage, is there anything that really concerns you we should finish? seems like the rest of the team is pretty happy with current coverage 17:20:28 i'm looking at it. 17:20:31 hold on. 17:20:47 hw raid i did last night, lemme check that box. 17:21:28 see? I said I don't have enough fudging skills 17:21:31 UEFI KVM guests are kinda optional, really. 17:22:04 doesn't that still require jumping through some strange-ish hoops to make it work? 17:22:13 ovmf, yes 17:22:27 if I didn't swap the letters 17:22:41 you can't have it straight out of the box 17:22:45 kparal: we also have aavmf now or better AAVMF :) 17:22:50 no, you're right - open virtual machine framework 17:23:08 you either have to compile from source or add a repo that has it packaged already 17:23:15 right 17:23:18 * danofsatx-work sees the AMF logo from the bowling alley 17:23:20 the wiki has instructions (which I just found out about yesterday) 17:23:26 the fedup coverage is fine, don't really need all package sets on all arches, but it's difficult to express stuff like 'all package sets on some arch, at least one on each arch' in the matrix 17:24:03 yeah, i wouldn't say it's 'strange-ish', but it requires a package outside fedora, so it would be odd to block on it (though it's just a license bs thing) 17:24:18 contains non free software 17:24:35 fat driver I think 17:24:39 that it does, unfortunately. 17:24:40 yeah 17:24:43 that's it jreznik 17:25:03 SAS we've never found anyone with the hardware, I think we'll have to take that test out. or get some money. 17:25:08 Until MS (or is it Intel?) opens that driver, UEFI is a non starter for Fedora. 17:25:35 adamw: if we can't test it, it should really be optional 17:25:44 yeah. 17:25:58 i guess the two i'd most like to see get done are xen and fcoe 17:26:30 no-one's run FCoE ever on this cycle, and xen hasn't been done since beta rc1. i don't have the setup for either, though. 17:26:31 adamw: I've actually got a SAS Dell box, but it's semi-production 17:27:33 i mailed konrad at oracle, our usual xen tester, yesterday, didn't hear back yet 17:27:43 I'm planning on moving it from RHEL7 to Fedora, so I'll make a point to have it be part of the F22 testing, when that starts. Fair? 17:28:13 sure 17:28:25 really i just put that one in the matrix to check how closely people read hte criteria. :P 17:28:44 adamw: You're so sneaky! 17:29:17 if we have anyone in a position to test FCoE or Xen i'd prefer to hold the meeting while we check those quick 17:29:51 * jsmith has no such animals in his zoo 17:30:04 adamw: does ec2 pvm with the cloud images satisfactorily cover xen? 17:30:05 I can't do Xen at all. I could have possibly done FCoE, but it's too late to set it up. 17:30:08 * tflink doesn't have the available hardware to set up either of those right now 17:30:47 * danofsatx-work has a buddy that is a storage engineer for IBM - he has FCoE on his desk at work ;) 17:31:30 was FCoE tested for the earlier candidates at all? 17:31:42 nope, don't think so 17:31:46 mattdm: no 17:32:03 so I'd say skip, we can't really support that 17:32:16 Yes, please. 17:32:44 if no-one's gonna be available to test fcoe we're gonna have to drop it from the criteria 17:32:52 document and move on 17:33:03 document what, 'we didn't test it, sorry'? :) 17:33:18 that it wasnt tested so ymmv 17:33:43 possibly #info for server working group if that's a case they'd like to keep supported. 17:33:46 adamw: well, if don't have that hw/setup and we depend on someone passing around once a while... 17:34:05 (for f22 and beyond. +1 to drop now) 17:34:10 Yeah, we'd like to support that, but we'll need access to some hardware 17:34:27 I'm with mattdm: drop the requirement for F21 17:34:33 huh. seems fcoe only showed up in the matrix for 21. i thought we had it before. 17:34:48 it was in F20 17:36:22 * jreznik has just talked to dgilmore over phone, he's ok with what have now in case we say go 17:36:32 * adamw seeing if he can test xen 17:36:56 danofsatx-work: where? i don't see it in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_20_Final_RC1.1_Install 17:37:53 so yeah, i'm fine with waiving fcoe then, as we never set up testing for it. 17:38:12 hmmm.....good question. I jsut remember seeing it - but my memory is suspect today, ask sgallagh 17:38:35 I don't have any specific knowledge of FCoE being in F20 17:38:48 And since we don't have the means to test it, I'm not willing to block on it 17:38:49 no, I meant about my suspect memories today ;) 17:39:00 * danofsatx-work needs more coffee 17:39:01 ok, so xen seems to be probably the last candidate to get some testing if possible, right? 17:39:29 installing xen gives you six different xen entries in grub. it's nice to have choices. 17:39:38 * adamw goes for "Fedora, with Xen hypervisor" 17:40:19 when we added the xen requirement we did say it was contingent on the folks who wanted the criterion doing the testing, so we have fudge space there. but let's see if i can do it. 17:40:47 ok, makes sense 17:42:29 welp, anaconda's up and running. 17:44:33 lemme run a quick install. 17:46:26 shouldn't take long, give it 5-10 mins. 17:47:15 adamw, What do you want to test? I'm installing xfce version right now. 17:50:20 jalalsfs: for xen? the test case is basically 'install to a paravirt guest and check it works' 17:50:22 jalalsfs: xfce is optional but it always good to know how it works, it's not blocking 17:50:33 other than xen? notthing much. 17:50:36 #chair jreznik_2nd 17:50:36 Current chairs: jreznik jreznik_2nd kparal mattdm roshi sgallagh 17:50:43 on post-install now 17:50:43 figure you want that :) 17:51:28 roshi: thanks roshi, one of that connection issues I expected :) 17:52:20 * roshi has plenty of chairs to throw your way should you require them 17:52:48 well, what I know about xen you can fit on the picture side of a postcard, but it sure looks like it's working, 21-on-21 server DVD install. 17:53:25 * adamw ticks the box 17:54:18 cool :) 17:54:23 * danofsatx-work has to step away. Carry on without me, folks. 17:54:30 later danofsatx-work 17:54:32 with that i'll say my vote is coverage is good 17:54:41 +1 from me as well 17:54:44 * jreznik_2nd is trying to get other product release get moving in the other window... 17:54:51 we haven't quite got to matrix the point where it's 'check every box' yet, so there's a bit of subjectivity. 17:55:13 but still great job with all that troubles we had! 17:56:11 #info Fedora QE is ok with test coverage (even not all test were covered due to limited availability of hw/setup) 17:56:22 ok, so I think we can move on 17:56:42 and directly to that topic everyone waits for! 17:56:53 #topic Go/No-Go decision 17:57:55 adamw, roshi, sgallagh, mattdm others? 17:58:04 Go! 17:58:19 Go 17:58:20 Go! 17:58:30 QA is a bit sad about that one blocker fudge, but per our policy, coverage is deemed OK and there are no unaddressed blockers, so Go 17:58:41 +1 ^^ 17:58:53 * kparal agrees 17:58:54 for record, dgilmore is go too 17:58:56 * oddshocks discovers things are happening in this channel 17:59:18 proposal #agreed Fedora 21 Final status is go by Release Engineering, QA and Development 17:59:31 \o/ 17:59:40 ack 17:59:43 \o/ indeed :) 17:59:44 w00t 17:59:46 ack 17:59:48 ack 17:59:49 Unless oddshocks is about to contradict? 18:00:00 * jreznik_2nd will kick oddshocks in that case! 18:00:11 ack 18:00:23 oddshocks: ever get the feeling you're in the grand soviet? :) 18:00:36 #agreed Fedora 21 Final status is go by Release Engineering, QA and Development 18:00:42 * adamw looks down at voting form, notes both boxes are marked 'go' 18:01:08 * adamw looks at mattdm suspiciously 18:01:19 heheheheheh 18:01:30 thanks everyone! 18:01:36 OMG $BEVERAGES FOR ALL 18:01:50 #action jreznik to announce go decision and update releng ticket 18:01:55 #topic open floor 18:02:21 #info readiness meeting will be held in one hour, the same channel 18:02:25 /me opens the Champagne barrel. 18:02:34 oooh, barrel fresh :) 18:02:42 * adamw wonders what trick sgallagh uses so his /mes don't work 18:02:46 * jreznik_2nd hopes to lead readiness meeting from nearby pub :) 18:02:57 the illustrious pre-pended space 18:02:59 /me this trick? 18:03:00 adamw: They always appear right to me... 18:03:02 Including that one 18:03:11 jreznik_2nd: no, there's no space, i looked 18:03:24 sgallagh: they come up with a literal /me here 18:03:27 wow, sgallagh is magician! 18:03:27 oh, odd 18:03:27 just yours 18:03:30 same here 18:03:35 it's a blocker! 18:03:38 hold the phones 18:03:43 :P 18:03:47 /me puts down the red phone 18:03:50 * nirik is now lurking. 18:03:56 great, you just gave the FPL a heart attack 18:04:02 ⁄me different slash? 18:04:10 what client sgallagh ? 18:04:17 mattdm: that one looks slightly different 18:04:19 Is there more than one kind of forward slash? 18:04:24 we all just nerd-sniped ourselves 18:04:26 sgallagh: oh god yes. 18:04:26 pwhalen: Pidgin 18:04:32 sgallagh: unicode probably has a whole section for them 18:04:44 'SLIGHTLY QUIZZICAL FORWARD SLASH B' 18:04:50 Heh 18:05:14 I see that the champagne is already flowing 18:05:20 for the record: http://xkcd.com/356/ 18:05:34 sgallagh: jreznik_2nd: adamw: no oppositions from me ;) 18:05:35 /me may have stuck a straw in the barrel an hour or so ago, in preparation 18:05:42 * jreznik_2nd is drinking pepsi 18:06:44 ok, so thanks again and see most of you in one hour! 18:06:50 sgtm 18:06:50 setting fuse to 18:06:51 thanks jreznik 18:06:55 3... 18:07:00 thanks for running the meeting :) 18:07:17 roshi: thanks for chairing my second me :) 18:07:25 :) 18:09:29 2... 18:11:36 1... 18:11:44 #endmeeting