15:00:31 <pwhalen> #startmeeting Fedora ARM & AArch64 Status Meeting
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15:00:32 <pwhalen> #chair pwhalen bconoboy pbrobinson dgilmore hrw jsmith kyle dmarlin
15:00:32 <zodbot> Current chairs: bconoboy dgilmore dmarlin hrw jsmith kyle pbrobinson pwhalen
15:00:58 <pwhalen> good morning folks, not sure we have an agenda today, but lets see who shows up
15:01:05 <pwhalen> .fas pwhalen
15:01:05 <zodbot> pwhalen: pwhalen 'Paul Whalen' <pwhalen@redhat.com>
15:01:14 <dmarlin> .fas dmarlin
15:01:15 <zodbot> dmarlin: dmarlin 'David A. Marlin' <dmarlin@redhat.com>
15:01:56 <pwhalen> morning kylem
15:04:37 <oatley> .fas oatley
15:04:38 <zodbot> oatley: oatley 'Andrew Oatley-Willis' <andrew.oatley-willis@senecacollege.ca>
15:06:15 * ctyler pops in late, after DNS timeouts on freenode.net (?!)
15:06:34 <dmarlin> ctyler: you are not late... we are just getting started.
15:06:40 <pwhalen> okay, we have a few people here
15:06:54 <pwhalen> #topic 1) ==== F22 Testing Status ====
15:07:05 <pwhalen> has anyone had a chance to look at f22?
15:07:17 * pbrobinson has
15:07:51 * ctyler briefly
15:08:28 <pbrobinson> I'm basically running it pretty much everywhere now. A few boxes left to upgrade and I've not done deep testing across all devices
15:09:03 <pwhalen> any issues with the usual suspects? ie initial-setup?
15:09:04 * masta is here
15:09:27 <pbrobinson> not tested initial-setup yet, I've got 3 devices  to start testhing that on soon
15:09:40 <hrw> do we have install iso for f22?
15:09:58 <pbrobinson> masta: I was beginning to wonder if you were still alive you've been so absent from anything Fedora related
15:10:27 <masta> pbrobinson: yeah, I'm sry about that... trying to re-engage on fedora.
15:11:09 <masta> I'd like to start updating to f22 also, once my board farm is setup at the new house
15:11:21 <pwhalen> sorry, unprepared with links to BZ's but last week a couple of issues were resolved.
15:11:46 <pwhalen> initial-setup-text was working again, kernel bug causing chrony to fail
15:11:57 <pbrobinson> I should be doing some clean installs on BBBs this week
15:12:08 <pbrobinson> and hopefully Jetson K1 too
15:13:25 <pwhalen> #info F22 nightly compose nominated for testing this week 20150217
15:13:38 <pwhalen> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_22_Branched_20150217_Summary
15:14:02 <pbrobinson> pwhalen: is there a quick link to those images?
15:14:24 <pwhalen> #link http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/tasks?state=all&view=tree&method=appliance&order=-id
15:15:11 <pwhalen> be great if folks could focus testing on those, file BZ's on issues encountered
15:15:30 <pwhalen> seeing a few failures, not looked at why yet
15:16:13 <pwhalen> we will have a TC1 shortly, but as I understand it there are few issues being worked on
15:16:59 <pwhalen> any other results, bugs?
15:18:08 <pwhalen> #topic 2) ==== 3.20 RC testing ====
15:19:05 <pbrobinson> I'd probably leave 3.20 mostly until next week when rc1 lands before beginning any serious testing but for v7 do ping me with any issues
15:19:25 <pwhalen> #info 3.20 RC kernels now in Koji for testing, please test on all devices!
15:19:34 <pwhalen> #link http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=8
15:20:29 <pwhalen> #topic 3) ==== Package Status & Issues  ====
15:21:01 <pbrobinson> we have a kernel issue on aarch64 that kyle is dealing with
15:21:17 <pbrobinson> issues with ghc but the maintainer is aware and dealing with that
15:21:47 <masta> always ghc =(
15:22:02 <hrw> masta: prefer haskell or fpc?
15:22:10 <hrw> ghc is haskell..
15:22:17 <pbrobinson> masta: not always..... clearly you've not being paying attention ;-)
15:22:27 <masta> pbrobinson: hehe
15:22:31 <masta> guilty
15:23:11 <pwhalen> anything else blocking in aarch64 worth bringing attention to ?
15:23:28 <pbrobinson> nope
15:24:27 <pwhalen> #topic 4) == Open Floor ==
15:24:50 <pwhalen> thats all I had for today folks, anything else worth mentioning today?
15:25:45 <pbrobinson> It looks like Clive has stepped up with an initial RPi2 remix, ctyler what are Seneca's plans to contribute to this given they were putting up their hands previously?
15:25:56 <masta> I'm going to help centos setup f19 builders for their their c7 bringup.
15:26:17 <masta> ^^ aarch64 ^^
15:26:29 <pbrobinson> masta: anything centos is off topic
15:26:44 <bconoboy> Anybody want to hear a followup from linaro connect?
15:26:44 * pwhalen gets the door for fedex, brb
15:26:48 <masta> yeah, kinda... except they will be using f19
15:26:54 <ctyler> pbrobinson: Shaping up that we will likely support Pi and Pi2 with Pidora
15:27:24 <hrw> bconoboy: sure
15:27:35 <pbrobinson> ctyler: is the state of Pidora still terrible? Is there' going to be F-21 this year and are you pushing patches back into Fedora?
15:27:43 <bconoboy> Okay, linaro connect...
15:27:56 <pbrobinson> bconoboy: please one topic at a time
15:28:18 <bconoboy> Are we on the rpi topic still?
15:28:45 <ctyler> pbrobinson: A fix is in the works, resources have been spread too thin. Announcement soon(ish).
15:29:27 <ctyler> bconoboy: Connect...
15:29:29 <pbrobinson> ctyler: are you also planning on putting the various userspace bits into Fedora proper?
15:29:49 <bconoboy> First, there was a cross distro session, but Linaro are no longer able to host live hangout sessions at all due to some liability problems that came up at a prior connect
15:30:06 <pbrobinson> ctyler: on comms please do early and often even if small
15:30:08 <bconoboy> Roku hosted the session and sent notes.
15:30:26 <pbrobinson> bconoboy: "No longer" ..... they never did it before
15:30:29 <bconoboy> #link Linaro Connect Hong Kong 2015 cross-distro session notes http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.linaro.cross-distro/783
15:30:37 <bconoboy> pbrobinson: Yes they did.
15:31:01 <pbrobinson> bconoboy: the last 3 LC weren't live, just the excuses were
15:31:16 <bconoboy> Despite the fact they can't host live hangout sessions, Riku has offered to host a monthly cross distro hangout if people are interested.
15:31:31 <hrw> pbrobinson: they did
15:32:36 <masta> yeah I remember Linaro used to be really into google hangouts, pity they stopped.
15:32:47 <bconoboy> After the session, on the list, it was clarified that there *are* 32 bit on 64 bit kvm accelerator patches, they're just not merged into qemu yet, but hopefully soon.
15:33:14 <bconoboy> If that is the case we'll be in better shape for moving to aarch64 hosted builds of aarch32 guests than we thought viable.
15:33:26 <masta> nice
15:33:48 <pwhalen> very. did they say when?
15:33:49 <bconoboy> This will likely miss f22 unless the qemu maintainer backports the patches
15:34:46 <bconoboy> Christoffer Dall made the mention of patches being on the qemu list, thought they would be in in a couple weeks
15:35:38 <bconoboy> Anyway, that's it for me and connect.  Ctyler might have more to share.
15:35:42 <pwhalen> excellent news
15:35:48 <pwhalen> thx bconoboy
15:35:49 <ctyler> bconoboy: It looks like enterprise arm32 hardware isn't completely dead, Silver Lining (Calxeda IP purchaser) will be selling them, so at least there is one possibility, though not a strong one.
15:36:00 <ctyler> What are we thinking with the HiKey board?
15:36:05 <ctyler> Wait for UEFI support?
15:36:13 <bconoboy> ctyler: Yeah, we have a few sample midway systems, they'rre only about 30% faster though
15:36:30 <pbrobinson> I want to support it with uboot
15:36:49 <bconoboy> I think we should do a hikey remix with whatever firmware it has.
15:36:55 * ctyler is not surprised
15:36:59 <pbrobinson> agreed
15:37:18 <bconoboy> Both pbrobinson and dgilmore will have a hikey board in about a week so remember to beat them up about it people ;-)
15:37:20 <ctyler> The current bootloader is a temporary measure only (fastboot). It's horrible.
15:37:44 <ctyler> UEFI has been promised RSN, not sure if/when uboot.
15:37:58 <ctyler> UEFI alpha was supposed to be out end of last week, haven't seen it yet.
15:38:04 <pbrobinson> bconoboy: I'm already looking at kernel bits
15:38:34 <bconoboy> Are we interested in putting fastboot support into grubby?
15:38:43 <ctyler> No!!
15:38:49 <masta> eew fastbook
15:38:52 <bconoboy> It might make more android-original devices viable
15:38:56 <ctyler> Really, No.
15:39:01 <ctyler> Just Say No.
15:39:55 <masta> bconoboy: actually putting my emotional hatered of fastboot aside, having support would indeed open doors.
15:40:04 <ctyler> tbh, 96boards has a steep learning curve ahead if they're intending to support the non-Linaro world well
15:40:44 * dmarlin wonders why Linaro decided to create their own world
15:41:12 <ctyler> dmarlin: I think so that they can integrated new boards with less pain, e.g., into Lava farms etc.
15:41:37 <dmarlin> ctyler: for them, yes, but to be used outside Linaro?   :-/
15:41:42 <hrw> create one 'lava farm' backplate and connect any amount of 96boards into it
15:41:56 <pbrobinson> ctyler: I don't hold my breath on that one. Their first statement about being upstream for everything they broke from the outset
15:42:02 <ctyler> dmarlin: for volume, I suspect
15:42:10 <dmarlin> thanks ctyler
15:42:26 <pbrobinson> dmarlin: it's the ARM ecosystem way of doing things.... walled gardens
15:42:42 <ctyler> pbrobinson: give it time. They haven't even sorted out R-G-B (B-G-R) order on the framebuffer yet, but the board hasn't hit GA either.
15:42:45 <pbrobinson> hrw: it's called open compute project
15:42:50 <bconoboy> pbrobinson: Looks to me like they rushed the first board for the sake of doing the announcement at connect
15:43:06 <hrw> bconoboy: sure thing
15:43:11 <pbrobinson> ctyler: they can't even use a GPU with open source support....
15:43:14 <hrw> bconoboy: now or half year later
15:43:35 <pbrobinson> bconoboy: of course they did...
15:43:37 <hrw> pbrobinson: is any linaro member has open source gpu support?
15:43:41 <ctyler> Otoh, the board screams performance-wise, despite storage and RAM limitations.
15:43:58 <pbrobinson> hrw: is Nvidia a Linaro member?
15:44:09 <hrw> pbrobinson: good point. do not remember
15:44:10 <pbrobinson> ctyler: and network
15:44:35 <pbrobinson> ctyler: and define.... scream.... I suspect that's all relative
15:45:02 <ctyler> pbrobinson: yeah, and the USB bus isn't running at 480Mbps yet, just 1.2 Mbps, so USB-eth is ... slow
15:45:21 <hrw> ctyler: but that's *full* speed ;D
15:45:33 <ctyler> Kernel build on HiKey is close to that on a Mustang, even with the limitations.
15:45:55 <pbrobinson> ctyler: why they don't have usb3 given no wired ethernet or sata storage is amusing. I know it's aimed at phones but even some phones have that these days
15:46:37 <ctyler> Yeah. But there are another 10+ boards in the pipe, so keep fingers crossed. They'll get better at this stuff.
15:46:50 <bconoboy> anyway, it's a good target for a fedora remix while they get upstream sorted out.
15:46:51 <masta> hopefully they back order more boards soon.
15:48:19 <pwhalen> anything else for today?
15:48:31 <ctyler> Is there a F21/F22 userspace tarball readily available?
15:49:15 <pwhalen> ctyler, for aarch64?
15:49:17 <ctyler> Yes
15:49:26 <pwhalen> think the last would be dmarlins image
15:49:28 <pwhalen> for f21
15:49:42 <dmarlin> pwhalen: that was a disk image, not a rootfs tarball
15:49:45 <pwhalen> no tarball
15:49:45 <pwhalen> right
15:49:53 <ctyler> Ok. I can extract a tarball from that.
15:50:00 <ctyler> Thanks!
15:50:19 <pwhalen> ctyler, https://dmarlin.fedorapeople.org/fedora-arm/aarch64/F21-20141216-server-RC7.tar.xz
15:50:47 <ctyler> Yes, pulled down a copy yesterday :-)
15:51:05 * ctyler might plop that on a HiKey with a frankenkernel
15:51:11 <pwhalen> ok, last call for open floor
15:51:48 <pbrobinson> ctyler: we haven't produced tarballs since around F17
15:51:55 <ctyler> I realize.
15:52:16 <pwhalen> #endmeeting