18:02:53 #startmeeting Env and Stacks (2015-02-19) 18:02:53 Meeting started Thu Feb 19 18:02:53 2015 UTC. The chair is hhorak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:02:53 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:03:04 #meetingname env-and-stacks 18:03:04 The meeting name has been set to 'env-and-stacks' 18:03:27 Hey, do we have anybody here? 18:03:39 #chair bkabrda hhorak juhp ncoghlan vpavlin sicampbell walters ttomecek phracek 18:03:39 Current chairs: bkabrda hhorak juhp ncoghlan phracek sicampbell ttomecek vpavlin walters 18:03:56 * walters is present; the new time is better for me as well 18:05:56 walters: Hi, yeah, it seems there will be two separate set of people in odd and even weeks. 18:07:03 I'm thinking about moving our meeting to this room every week, since fpc likes to talk longer than 1hour.. 18:07:39 Yeah, why not. Hopefully the our meeting is going to be shorter and shorter:) 18:08:46 we still have mailing list, that can be used much more 18:09:10 #topic Follow-ups -- any changes from last week? 18:10:08 we talked about the governance charter the last time, do we have anything to change there? 18:10:22 from my point of view no. I think that we discussed about goverment and DevPy. 18:11:18 from my PoV just the "Changes the rules" section and state that another re-evaluation will be done after Fedora 22? 18:11:27 I still can't say I have enough experience/knowledge with alternative approaches to say whether the charter could be improved, but what is there now seems OK 18:14:02 lw 18:14:18 fine, so I'll just change the very bottom chapter "Changing These Rules" with somethign like s/21/22/ if nobody protests on ML 18:14:32 anything else? 18:15:06 (not expecting much from devpi since bkabrda and ncoghlan are not here) 18:15:21 #topic Dockerfiles recommended tips 18:15:38 this is actually one topic from the task list 18:15:45 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Env_and_Stacks/Tasklist 18:15:55 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Hhorak/Draft/task-dockerfile-rules 18:16:17 it still has no 'owner' or anybody who would push on that.. 18:16:46 also there may be some changes (some guidelines already existing somewhere?) since we spoke about it the last time 18:17:09 I think that vpavlin how has enough experiences could be a owner 18:17:39 phracek: that's nice from you :) 18:17:39 But If vpavlin helps me than I can be the owner. 18:18:02 hhorak: What is the deadline? 18:18:13 Till release date F22? 18:18:54 phracek: I don't think there is really a deadline, but it would be nice to have at least some basic rules before we start to build some layered docker images 18:18:59 i wonder if marek would be interested in helping migrate some of the content to fedora? 18:19:30 But because of I would like to finally work with docker files then I could be the owner. 18:19:54 It will make a press to me to learn and work with docker files. 18:20:20 Where should be placed this documentation. 18:20:52 walters: marek is someone from RH? 18:21:12 the author of http://file.rdu.redhat.com/~mgoldman/jboss-docker-docs/best-practice.html so yes =) 18:21:33 I spoke with Vasek last time about docker he shown me a wiki page where manipulation was pretty described. 18:22:02 Wow. Can we contact him? 18:22:18 phracek: do you mean https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docker? 18:22:48 hhorak: yes 18:23:06 walters: thanks, I have a feeling we spoke about it once already, so let's talk to him and we'll see. 18:23:27 phracek: can I make an action item for you to get in touch with marek? 18:23:40 hhorak: Yes, definitelly. 18:24:10 #action phracek to get in touch with marek, author of JBoss Docker images best practices 18:24:23 awesome, so we can move further 18:24:39 #topic Some info about beaker @ fedoraproject and potential Env&Stack use cases 18:25:16 this was just that I wanted to share few things about beaker project in fedora 18:25:24 we're missing nick, but he said a QA person would possibly be here? 18:25:28 #link http://beaker.fedoraproject.org/ 18:26:45 walters: yeah, that was exactly tflink who I got some summary from 18:27:03 This beaker is similar like we are using for RHEL? 18:27:18 phracek: yes, same technology, same use cases 18:27:44 #info The initial use case was to run installer tests in http://beaker.fedoraproject.org/ 18:27:54 #link https://bitbucket.org/fedoraqa/fedora-beaker-tests 18:27:54 wow, awesome 18:28:31 so, currently it has no fas authentication, but there are plans to have this, so every contributor can log in 18:29:16 there are also some other blockers with LC hostname in log URLs ... whatever it means :) 18:30:18 but generally this system should be used for tasks that shouldn't be run within taskotron itself, so taskotron would probably launch jobs in beaker 18:31:12 as soon as it is ready, some of the RH internal tests can be opened, I've talked to some QE people, that this option is possible 18:31:36 which I find great and very logical -- to catch some issues sooner in the process 18:32:37 but still there will be limited resources, so it won't serve as a cheap server rent service, it will be probably dedicated for tests only 18:33:22 and of course there are limited resources in fedora qe, who lead the effort 18:34:40 something that's kind of related to this is that docker is a nice way to run tests that require uid 0 18:34:47 which is not supported by mock 18:34:57 beaker could enable that too, but it's more heavyweight 18:35:51 I think that CI test could be used by beaker and packages testing could be used by mock 18:36:02 walters: yeah, but there are still tasks that require real system, some integration testing, starting services in 'proper' systemd... 18:37:03 the systemd service testing issue is actually even worse in mock, systemd simply doesn't work in chroot 18:38:12 so I still see classic visualization beneficial... but you're right, for many tests docker or mock is fine enough 18:40:40 well, I've nothing else here and I also have no other topic for today 18:40:48 #topic Open Floor 18:40:56 does anybody else have something? 18:43:09 it doesn't seem so.. so I'll close in a minute.. 18:43:23 just a quick note, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RpmOstree was approved 18:43:31 i'm going to be working on pushing that forward as well as Docker stuff 18:46:24 that's all i had though 18:47:09 #info RpmOstree change was approved, hooray! 18:47:09 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RpmOstree 18:47:21 walters: thanks and congrats :) 18:48:11 so, thank you all (both) for today, take care! 18:48:17 #endmeeting