19:03:11 <jreznik> #startmeeting F22 Alpha Readiness Meeting
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19:03:12 <jreznik> #meetingname f22-alpha-readiness-meeting
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19:03:33 <jreznik> #topic Roll Call
19:03:50 <jreznik> hi everyone! (and hi again for some of you ;-)
19:03:54 * nirik is here.
19:03:58 * randomuser is here
19:04:12 * jkurik is here
19:04:34 <randomuser> actually, I'll be afk for ~5min then here
19:04:39 * jzb jzb is here
19:04:52 * stickster here
19:05:02 <jwb> hi
19:05:07 * oddshocks also here
19:05:27 <jwb> i missed the go-nogo, but adamw made it pretty clear it was nogo so i didn't think it was necessary to be there
19:05:36 <adamw> hey folks
19:05:43 <adamw> jwb: yeah, we're trying to do an rc1 run and signoff tomorrow, though
19:05:53 <adamw> latest latest news: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1199263
19:05:59 <jreznik> ok, let's start :)
19:06:11 <jreznik> I see adamw already started on current status :)
19:06:11 <nirik> because of course Epoch should be a long not an int. :)
19:06:35 <jreznik> #topic Purpose of this meeting
19:06:37 <jreznik> #info "Before each public release all of the groups participating the development of Fedora's next release meet to make sure the release is well coordinated."
19:06:38 <jreznik> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Readiness_Meetings
19:06:43 <adamw> nirik: it wouldn't matter whether it was long or int, the problem is that it's not a str. :)
19:07:05 <nirik> sure, but I just find that part of it amusing. ;) Epoch: 1000129083782347325425
19:07:30 * roshi is here
19:07:50 <jreznik> adamw: ops, I read it now...
19:07:59 <jreznik> #topic Current status
19:08:09 <adamw> nirik: we do have some pretty crazy epochs iirc
19:08:18 <adamw> not sure if there are any over the int limit though :P
19:08:45 <jreznik> #info Fedora 22 Alpha is No-Go; we will try sign it off tomorrow 8:30 central if no other blockers are found
19:09:15 <jreznik> would be nice to make call on that proposed blocker asap as we won't have to spend time fighting it tomorrow...
19:09:30 <jreznik> but this is different meeting...
19:09:56 <jreznik> let's do standard round table of statuses :)
19:09:58 <jreznik> #topic Ambassadors
19:10:25 * jreznik is not sure sesivany made even he accepted my invitation
19:11:11 <jreznik> any ambassador around? otherwise I'll check with sesivany offline tomorrow
19:11:23 <jreznik> usually we don't have much for Ambassadors for Alpha
19:12:09 <jreznik> ok, I'm going to move on, I can come back if someone appears
19:12:22 <jreznik> #topic Design
19:13:40 <stickster> Do we have someone here from Design?
19:13:40 * jreznik is pinging design team
19:14:07 <stickster> jreznik: I saw this morning that draft wallpapers were ready, which I think is at least a substantial part of their readiness.
19:14:16 <jreznik> yep, it is
19:14:34 <jreznik> it's first round of wp to fulfil blocker needs
19:14:56 <jreznik> btw. I like it, so I hope it will be in Beta/final
19:15:07 <jreznik> #info Alpha wallpaper is available
19:15:38 <jreznik> let's skip design for now
19:15:41 <jreznik> #topic Documentation
19:15:55 <jreznik> randomuser: your turn
19:15:56 <randomuser> Docs is not in a high state of readiness
19:16:25 <randomuser> there's been minimal work on the Release notes, and iterative progress on only a couple guides
19:16:26 <jreznik> what's needed for docs for Alpha?
19:16:46 <jreznik> as we link release notes to the announcement for alpha...
19:17:05 <randomuser> afaik nothing lately, as this is the usual status for docs at alpha :)
19:17:18 <jreznik> #info docs is not in a high state of readiness, minimal work on the Release notes, and iterative progress on only a couple guides
19:17:40 <jwb> should we refrain from linking to release notes?
19:17:46 <jreznik> end in the end, we always have great docs for final :)
19:18:01 <jreznik> jwb: ?
19:18:14 <randomuser> #info contributions to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Documentation_beats are encouraged
19:18:29 <jwb> if the release notes aren't in good shape, should we not link to them in the Alpha announcement?
19:18:39 <jreznik> jwb: we do not link to them
19:18:45 <jwb> 14:15 < jreznik> as we link release notes to the announcement for alpha...
19:18:48 <randomuser> jwb, yes, there's really nothing to link to at this stage
19:19:00 <jwb> jreznik, you just said we did...
19:19:08 <jwb> so... thanks for the confusion :)
19:19:22 <jwb> oh!
19:19:23 <jreznik> jwb: in the past, we had release notes wiki and instead of real release notes, we had both links pointing to announcement
19:19:23 <jwb> i see
19:19:32 <jwb> yeah, i understand now
19:19:34 <randomuser> jwb, the announcement serves the role of alpha RNs
19:19:39 <jwb> sorry, carry on
19:19:41 <jreznik> sorry for not being 100% clear
19:20:06 <jreznik> anything else for docs?
19:20:21 <randomuser> which actually works out nicely; people work on the announcement that do not work on the RNs, so we get a different view of the release to build on
19:20:32 <randomuser> jreznik, no, that's all, thanks
19:20:38 <jreznik> thanks randomuser!
19:20:48 <jreznik> #topic FESCo
19:20:57 <jreznik> nirik: anything from FESCo?
19:21:31 <nirik> nope, nothing I can think of off hand. I think we still need to talk to anaconda folks nicely about the root password thing, but thats not an alpha blocker as far as I know
19:21:42 * jwb agrees
19:22:28 <jreznik> #info nothing from FESCo; discussion about anaconda password enforcement is not blocking Alpha
19:22:58 <jreznik> ok, thanks - moving on
19:23:00 <jreznik> #topic Fedora Engineering Manager
19:23:07 <jreznik> stickster: your turn!
19:23:22 <stickster> I'm personally ready ;-)
19:23:45 <randomuser> ship it!
19:23:54 <stickster> To be more specific: I don't have any reason to declare anything not ready, beyond input of others so far. ;-)
19:24:21 <stickster> I think we understand things are somewhat riding on results for the RC tomorrow
19:24:38 <jreznik> yep
19:24:52 <stickster> But it looks like all the groups are generally in good position for release beyond the bits.
19:24:53 <jreznik> and also there's discussion about that proposed blocker on #fedora-qa
19:25:10 <jreznik> #info Fedora Engineering Manager is ready
19:25:25 <jreznik> thanks stickster!
19:25:27 <jreznik> #topic Fedora Project Leader
19:25:32 <jreznik> mattdm: anything from you?
19:27:18 <jreznik> skipping for now
19:27:20 <jreznik> #topic Marketing
19:27:29 <jreznik> jzb: and you around?
19:27:49 <jreznik> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F22_Alpha_release_announcement
19:27:50 <jzb> I am
19:28:05 <jzb> so - the release announcement is not ready, but it's about 70% of the way there
19:28:20 <jzb> it will be ready by Monday
19:28:31 <jzb> and thanks to everybody who's added bullet points, etc.
19:28:39 <jzb> we need to start working on talking points for this release pretty urgently
19:28:58 <jzb> and as always - would strongly encourage people to start writing articles about the features near and dear to their hearts for Fedora Magazine.
19:29:04 * nirik needs to add a Xfce 4.12 node
19:29:06 <nirik> note
19:29:13 <jzb> nirik: is that a go?
19:29:19 <nirik> yeah, seems to be.
19:29:26 <jzb> nirik: excellent!
19:29:32 <jzb> jreznik: EOF for me.
19:29:36 <nirik> might miss the alpha compose tho....
19:29:38 <jzb> unless there are additional questions.
19:29:42 <nirik> but we will see.
19:29:48 <jzb> nirik: OK, lemme know
19:29:59 <jzb> nirik: I can drop something in whenever.
19:30:04 <nirik> will do
19:30:09 <jreznik> #info the release announcement is about 70% ready, will be ready on Monday
19:30:23 <jreznik> #info marketing to start working on talking points
19:30:36 <randomuser> are there any new marketing strategies for this time around, jzb, or focusing on the normal social media/blog/magazine stuff?
19:30:56 <jreznik> nirik: if it's going to miss alpha compose, we should probably left it out from Alpha announcement
19:31:11 <jreznik> ryanlerch asked for screenshots for magazine post
19:31:29 <jreznik> but we usually do official screenshots later in the cycle for websites
19:31:34 <nirik> yes, but we don't know yet. If we respin for the just proposed blocker it will make it. If we don't it won't.
19:31:44 <jzb> randomuser: normal, unless someone else is stepping up to help ;-)
19:32:01 <jzb> randomuser: I mean, suggestions welcome and all.
19:32:07 * randomuser nods
19:32:11 <jreznik> nirik: just to make sure it's not there if xfce is not there :) nothing else
19:32:23 <jzb> jreznik: yeah, usually after beta
19:32:38 <randomuser> jzb, I came up with an idea today I'll send to outreach@ once it congeals :)
19:32:45 <jzb> randomuser: excellent.
19:33:49 <jzb> jreznik: I think we're done w/marketing?
19:34:13 <jreznik> jzb: I think so, thanks for leading announcement work
19:34:14 <stickster> seems like :-)
19:34:22 <stickster> jzb++
19:34:36 <jreznik> #topic Infrastructure
19:34:44 <jreznik> nirik: again you
19:35:10 <nirik> we should be all ready. ;)
19:35:14 <nirik> I don't know of any blockers.
19:36:03 <jreznik> #info infrastructure should be ready
19:36:14 <jreznik> #topic QA
19:36:36 <roshi> votes are being cast/tallied now
19:36:36 <jreznik> adamw, roshi: I see you're discussing that potential blocker right now, anything else?
19:36:41 <roshi> on the final blocker
19:36:43 <jreznik> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1199263
19:36:52 <roshi> that's all I'm aware of
19:37:02 <adamw> that's all we have for now
19:37:12 <adamw> we need votes on the blocker, it's a very borderline call so the more votes the merrier
19:37:20 <jreznik> if anyone else from here can cast vote...
19:37:36 <adamw> we have a fix for it now, so it's simple: if we decide it's a blocker we re-do RC1 with the fix, if we decide it's not a blocker, we go ahead with RC1 as-is.
19:37:40 * jreznik is still unsure and has full head with this meeting
19:37:48 <adamw> i'm gonna go take a shower and count the votes when i get back.
19:38:05 * jreznik needs shower too
19:38:50 <jreznik> #topic Release Engineering
19:39:18 <jreznik> I see dgilmore mentioned, he will be back in a few minutes and he's afk now
19:39:19 <mizmo> hi
19:39:37 <jreznik> but I expect for rel-eng, we need right compose
19:39:40 <jreznik> hi mizmo!
19:39:45 <jreznik> so let's skip it for now
19:39:51 <jreznik> #topic Design
19:39:57 <jreznik> mizmo: your topic :)
19:40:38 <mizmo> so afaik we are good, we got the alpha in thanks to your reminder jreznik
19:40:47 <mizmo> the alpha => the alpha wallpaper in
19:41:10 <jreznik> even QA did not believe me, it's a blocker :)
19:41:32 <mizmo> we take our wallpaper seriously o_O
19:41:33 <stickster> FYI looks like the package build is available now :-)
19:41:35 <jreznik> but it is according to criteria, so thanks for quick wp creation!
19:41:44 <mizmo> the thanks belongs to ryanlerch :)
19:41:48 <stickster> sorry, /me is referring to blocker above, not Design/wp
19:41:58 <adamw> if anyone wants to propose changing that criterion, btw, go ahead. iirc we implemented it a few years back when the wallpapers were a lot more striking and there was a possibility people saw the wallpaper they knew was for F-N and got confused.
19:42:23 <jreznik> #info Design is ready for Alpha
19:42:34 <adamw> iirc there actually was a case where someone saw, like, the F16 wallpaper in an F17 alpha image, hit a bug, and was all 'omg F16 is  broken!!!'. but it *is* kind of a crazy thing.
19:42:37 <mizmo> adamw, nah i think it makes sense,
19:42:45 <mizmo> adamw, just doesn't make sense on the surface
19:42:59 <adamw> i think at the time we had a plan that there'd be, like, a generic 'pre-release' wallpaper
19:43:05 <mizmo> from an 'identifying that this is alpha' standpoint since we don't have any graphics preceding it anymore
19:43:12 <adamw> which we always used for rawhide/branched until the final wallpaper was ready
19:43:20 <adamw> that never seems to have happened, though
19:43:20 <jreznik> well, I like having at least wp idea early in the cycle as there's some other theming that depends on it
19:43:35 * jreznik is going to work on the new kde theming for Beta
19:43:50 <mizmo> and if you know theme we picked for the wallpaper means 'yo mama is so fat' in an obscure culture somewhere then we'll have more of a heads up
19:44:01 <mizmo> at least in theory....
19:44:38 <jreznik> yep, it's good to have feedback on wp, if I remember correctly, we withdraw one alpha wp some time ago
19:44:46 <jreznik> but it's definitely on design team...
19:45:01 <mizmo> well if any other team needs something from the designers let me know
19:45:07 <jreznik> btw. I really do like the Alpha wp! needs adjustments but I like ti
19:45:20 <mizmo> during our fad last month we completely cleaned out and overhauled our ticketing system and we review our tickets fortnightly no
19:45:22 <mizmo> now
19:45:26 <mizmo> jreznik, \o/ yay
19:46:39 <jreznik> #info if any other team needs something from designer, let mizmo know - the ticketing system is cleaned up and tickets are reviewed fortnightly
19:46:43 <jreznik> thanks mizmo!
19:47:09 <jreznik> #topic Websites
19:47:24 <jreznik> robyduck: are you around?
19:47:30 <robyduck> Websites are ready to go, need to sync with dgilmore about images and checksums. We need to check with cloud WG about some details, vagrant images and AMI IDs, but it should all be fine.
19:47:44 <stickster> robyduck++
19:48:23 <robyduck> :)
19:48:35 <jreznik> #info Websites are ready to go, need to sync with dgilmore about images and checksums. Websites need to check with cloud WG about some details, vagrant images and AMI IDs, but it should all be fine.
19:48:49 <robyduck> jreznik: I don't have anything else
19:48:49 <jreznik> ok, thanks robyduck! great!
19:49:15 <jreznik> #topic Open floor
19:49:33 <jreznik> so seems like we're pretty covered for potential Tuesday release
19:49:55 <jreznik> and I'll check with folks who didn't make it today offline, i think it's only sesivany now
19:50:02 <jreznik> thanks for coming!
19:50:07 <jreznik> anyone anything else?
19:50:41 <robyduck> jreznik: yeah, thanks to you for chairing and all the kind reminders :)
19:50:54 <dgilmore> jreznik: im back
19:50:55 <stickster> all good here.
19:50:56 <randomuser> +1, thanks jreznik
19:51:06 <stickster> thanks for chairing jreznik!
19:51:09 <jreznik> thanks guys :)
19:51:25 <jreznik> dgilmore: do you have anything for rel-eng except RC compose?
19:51:33 <oddshocks> Sounds like good stuff
19:51:38 <jzb> thanks jreznik !
19:51:49 <dgilmore> jreznik: nope, we are on track.
19:52:12 <stickster> dgilmore: I saw that we have a python-meh fix available now, I assume you're already hooked up with that for RC
19:52:16 * jreznik has to double check if anyone still needs his badge... I know it's boring now, as we have only one badge for all readiness meetings but otherwise, it would be too much for every release I'd say
19:52:26 <stickster> agreed jreznik
19:53:17 <jreznik> and one more topic!
19:53:33 <jreznik> #topic Translations
19:54:08 <jreznik> hi noriko!
19:54:33 <jreznik> do you have anything for Alpha?
19:54:51 <dgilmore> stickster: will start RC2 soon
19:54:54 <noriko> hi jreznik terribly sorry being late. just woke up
19:55:06 <jreznik> noriko: np, I'd check with you offline
19:55:23 <noriko> k, yeah
19:55:54 <jreznik> anything you'd like to talk about?
19:56:07 <noriko> As string frozen, we have started translation on fedora.zanata.org. Migration to Zanata from Transifex is now in final phase. It took longer for projects migration than original plan due to unresponsive software projects. Documentation projects and Websites projects have both been successfully completed entire migration. Big thanks to docs team and website team!! Here is the list of unresponsive packages;
19:56:18 <noriko> [Fedora pkg]
19:56:30 <noriko> 1. chkconfig Lukáš Nykrýn (lnykryn at redhat.com) lnykryn
19:56:30 <noriko> 2. comps Bill Nottingham (notting at splat.cc) notting
19:56:30 <noriko> 3. fedora-initscripts Bill Nottingham (notting at splat.cc) notting,  Lukáš Nykrýn (lnykryn at redhat.com) lnykryn
19:56:37 <noriko> 4. krb5  Roland Mainz (rmainz at redhat.com) gisburn
19:56:38 <noriko> 5. libuser Miloslav Trmac (mitr at redhat.com) mitr
19:56:38 <noriko> 6. passwd Miloslav Trmac (mitr at redhat.com) mitr
19:56:45 <noriko> 7. pkinit-nss  Nalin Dahyabhai (nalin at redhat.com)
19:56:45 <noriko> 8. redhat-menus Ray Strode (rstrode at redhat.com) rstrode
19:56:45 <noriko> 9. system-config-audit Miloslav Trmac (mitr at redhat.com) mitr
19:56:50 <noriko> [Upstream]
19:56:51 <noriko> 10. Is It Fedora Ruby  Nicolás Satragno (nsatragno at gmail.com) nicolassatragno
19:56:51 <noriko> 11. rhel-comps Daniel Mach (dmach at redhat.coma) dmach
19:56:51 <noriko> 12. volume_key Miloslav Trmac (mitr at redhat.com) mitr
19:57:00 <noriko> It is due on 6-Mar Fri to hear the consensus from the owners. All unresponsive packages will be forced migration to Zanata, starting 9-Mar Monday (BNE time) as informed. Can I set them as read-only until we find responsive owner? (Any of them on Transifex is archived thus become invisible.)
19:57:38 <randomuser> force migrated?!? isn't "you won't get any translations from Fedora contributors" enough?
19:58:24 <stickster> randomuser: Actually, it's a different result, AIUI. Once migrated, translations *can* come in, but the owners must fix their packages to pull in the translations
19:58:24 <jreznik> noriko: thank you for leading zanata migration project! it's amazing achievement
19:58:43 <stickster> randomuser: Without doing that, it actually blocks the wrong people (translators)
19:59:04 <jreznik> noriko: I'll ping mitr tmrw
19:59:08 <noriko> randomuser, I don't want to do this, but have now no idea to reach the owners.
19:59:36 <stickster> noriko: Agreed. Note that noriko and I both reached out *multiple* times externally and even internally at Red Hat to @rh.c maintainers
19:59:51 * randomuser nods
20:00:08 <stickster> i.e. shouldn't be any surprises here, unless someone is ignoring their email :-)
20:00:10 <jreznik> I see mitr there mentioned several times, so I'll make sure he replies
20:00:14 <randomuser> it sounds imposing, but you've clearly done due dilligence :)
20:00:20 <jreznik> he's usually super responsive
20:00:29 <randomuser> noriko, thanks for all you've done with this migration, it's gone very well
20:00:46 <jreznik> yep! again, amazing work
20:01:36 <noriko> thanks guys, was feeling like super mum poking everyone... but now feels better ;p
20:02:00 <jreznik> I know that feeling very well :)
20:03:07 <noriko> that is it from me.
20:03:17 <jreznik> #info migration to Zanata is in final phase, there are still some unresponsible maintainers and packages will be forced to Zanata
20:03:23 <jreznik> thanks noriko
20:03:39 <jreznik> ok, we're no three minutes over - setting fuse
20:03:40 <jreznik> 3...
20:04:26 <jreznik> 2...
20:04:35 <stickster> light it up up up
20:04:44 * randomuser takes shelter behind stickster
20:04:55 <stickster> short fuse, surprise! BANG!
20:05:20 <jreznik> noooooo
20:05:27 <jreznik> #endmeeting