15:00:01 <pwhalen> #startmeeting Fedora ARM & AArch64 Status Meeting
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15:00:01 <pwhalen> #chair pwhalen bconoboy pbrobinson dgilmore hrw jsmith kyle ddutile dmarlin
15:00:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: bconoboy ddutile dgilmore dmarlin hrw jsmith kyle pbrobinson pwhalen
15:00:11 <pwhalen> good morning folks
15:00:32 * jsmith waves
15:00:41 * masta is here
15:00:42 * zaniyah waves
15:01:33 <pwhalen> alright, thanks for coming folks..
15:01:35 <dgilmore> hola amigos
15:01:39 <pwhalen> #topic 1) ==== Package Status & Issues  ====
15:02:16 <pwhalen> pbrobinson, hrw how're we doing with aarch64?
15:02:30 <pbrobinson> gdb is the big one, not sure if kylem got a chance to look
15:02:48 <pbrobinson> RHBZ https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1196181
15:03:27 <pbrobinson> strace is also blocking packages now, apparently it's fixed upstream and the upstream maintainer is the Fedora maintainer but he's not really doing anything
15:03:51 <pbrobinson> RHBZ https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1201777
15:04:02 <pwhalen> #info gdb - RHBZ https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1196181
15:04:12 <pwhalen> info strace - RHBZ https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1201777
15:04:22 <pwhalen> #info strace - RHBZ https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1201777
15:05:00 <pbrobinson> appart from that there's still the ongoing ghc saga but I've mostly given up on that for F-22 and engaging with the maintainer for F-23 so we don't have the same mind fuck there!
15:05:34 <hrw> xorg-x11-drv-qxl got patch in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1201877#c14 - checked, built, added patch/spec change
15:06:11 <pwhalen> #info ghc still an issue, work ongoing to ensure ready for f23
15:07:26 <pwhalen> #info xorg-x11-drv-qxl now patched, added to BZ- https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1201877#c14
15:07:37 <pwhalen> hrw, so we just need an official build there?
15:08:07 <hrw> pwhalen: integrate into pkg repo and then build
15:08:19 <pbrobinson> well a review that the patch is correct and then a build, it's now installed by defauly now so it's not really blocking any more
15:09:17 <pwhalen> anything else?
15:09:36 <pbrobinson> not that I can think of
15:09:47 <pwhalen> #topic 2) ==== Fedora 22 Beta RC2 for AArch64 ====
15:09:54 <pwhalen> #info Testing Results:
15:09:54 <pwhalen> #link https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Architectures/AArch64/QA/22_Beta_RC2
15:10:32 <hrw> something for tomorrow to test ;)
15:10:34 <pwhalen> #info Reported Issues:
15:10:35 <pwhalen> #info Unable to enter passphrase for encrypted rootfs when no 'console=' is included on aarch64
15:10:35 <pwhalen> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1172740
15:10:35 <pwhalen> #info upgraded system does not reboot automatically, ctrl+alt+del is needed: Failed unmounting /sysroot/proc (Fedup)
15:10:35 <pwhalen> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1209941
15:10:51 <pwhalen> those issues also existed in RC1
15:11:04 <pbrobinson> are they blockers for Beta?
15:11:16 <msalter> was distracted and made no progress on 1172740. Will pick it up again this week.
15:11:20 <pbrobinson> the first was the case in F-21 too
15:11:42 <pwhalen> pbrobinson, did fix the server product specific artwork, default filesystem and default packages (on netinstall)
15:11:47 <pwhalen> those arent blockers
15:12:01 <pwhalen> msalter, thanks
15:12:05 <masta> nice colorful test matrix pwhalen =)
15:12:18 <pwhalen> not sure if anyone else had time to test
15:12:25 <pwhalen> masta, copied from pa matrix
15:13:08 <pwhalen> of note, there is now an official APM firmware that on first glance seems to be working with everything.. usb, network, kvm
15:13:23 <pbrobinson> nice!
15:13:24 <hrw> and f22 can be installed from usb with it
15:13:28 <pbrobinson> took their time!
15:13:43 <msalter> it was a long and winding road
15:13:45 <pwhalen> but, thankfully in time for our GA
15:13:50 <hrw> yes
15:13:59 <masta> pwhalen: that is great news!
15:14:03 <pwhalen> so, i think this looks good for Beta, others?
15:14:10 <hrw> will not have to describe my hacks ;)
15:14:33 <dgilmore> pwhalen: got a link for said firmware?
15:14:37 <hrw> do we have 4.0.0-1 in f22?
15:14:43 <pwhalen> i dont, its on myapm
15:14:57 <dgilmore> hrw: we do on primary
15:15:00 <masta> will be nice to test install
15:15:13 <masta> err... by not having a pxe tree
15:15:28 <pwhalen> our beta is - 4.0.0-1.fc22.aarch64
15:15:34 <pwhalen> or rc2 rather
15:15:34 <hrw> pwhalen: cool
15:16:02 <pbrobinson> it's in f-22 but the Beta tree is frozen so once you install and update you get it
15:16:35 <pbrobinson> GA will possibly be 4.0.x where X depends on what is out when or before we freeze on primary
15:17:16 <pbrobinson> anyone aware of any targetted fixes we should  be aware of for GA on aarch64 kernels?
15:17:28 * jonmasters_ in
15:18:20 <pbrobinson> just for jcm: "anyone aware of any targetted fixes we should  be aware of for GA on aarch64 kernels?"
15:18:33 <pbrobinson> jonmasters_: not ACPI ;-)
15:19:09 <hrw> acpi is in rawhide
15:19:17 <pbrobinson> hrw: I know
15:19:52 <pbrobinson> the 4.1rc1 kernel is building for f23 atm
15:20:01 <jonmasters_> ooooh, pick ACPI! Pick ACPI! Pick...alright...sorry.
15:20:08 <pbrobinson> so are we go for Beta?
15:20:27 * pbrobinson beats jonmasters_ with his selfie stick
15:20:29 <pwhalen> i think we are. but other input appreciated
15:20:33 <jonmasters_> lolcano
15:21:20 <pbrobinson> anyone got any input? Has anyone other than pwhalen and hrw actually tested F-2 Beta?
15:21:27 <pbrobinson> F-22 Beta RC2 even
15:21:39 <jonmasters_> on f23 mlangsdorf reports dying late in boot on 4.1-rc1 (just informational, being debugged)
15:21:59 <pbrobinson> jonmasters_: off topic ;-)
15:22:01 * jonmasters_ will test beta today
15:22:04 <jonmasters_> (tonight)
15:22:24 <jonmasters_> got a particular target you'd like tested?
15:22:46 <pbrobinson> jonmasters_: all of them!
15:22:57 <pwhalen> thanks jonmasters_
15:23:06 <pbrobinson> right, I think we can move on from that
15:23:07 <jonmasters_> agree! but...if you had to pick just 10, what would your first one be?
15:23:28 <pwhalen> lol
15:23:31 <pbrobinson> jonmasters_: we only have 3! Mustang, Seattle, qemiu
15:24:57 <pwhalen> #topic 3) ==== Kernel Status ====
15:25:00 <jonmasters_> ok I'll start with Mustang with APM's latest firmware (they've an official one and everything now!)
15:25:03 <jonmasters_> moving on yea
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15:25:45 <pwhalen> so shall we have a vote on f22 beta? a decision of some sort?
15:25:55 <pbrobinson> right, given pwhalen has tested that we'll call it gold, anything jcm might come up with we can get fixed for GA
15:26:01 <jonmasters_> k
15:26:32 <dgilmore> pwhalen: in your mind any blockers?
15:26:36 <pwhalen> when would this ship? pbrobinson when would you send out the release email?
15:26:45 <pwhalen> still time for feedback
15:26:56 <pwhalen> no, i encountered only the issues i mentioned
15:27:04 <pbrobinson> pwhalen: as soon as it's on the mirrors
15:27:09 <pwhalen> there was an unsigned package, but i think pbrobinson fixed that
15:27:09 <dgilmore> pwhalen: in theory we should have shipped 27 minutes ago
15:27:16 <pwhalen> right
15:27:18 <pwhalen> but we didnt
15:27:24 <pbrobinson> dgilmore in the testing pwhalen and hrw has done we're looking good, not had other reports
15:27:57 <pbrobinson> we'll call it gold and move on
15:28:11 <pbrobinson> I'll sort out the release announcement and sync to mirrors
15:28:13 <pbrobinson> next
15:28:44 <pwhalen> #topic 3) ==== Kernel Status ====
15:28:48 <pbrobinson> Kernel status. 4.1rc1 has landed
15:29:08 <pbrobinson> initial ACPI is in for aarch64 so expect tears everywhere while it settles
15:29:36 <pbrobinson> so 4.1 in rawhide should start to settle down now
15:29:37 <pwhalen> #info kernel-4.1.0-0.rc1.git0.1 now in f23
15:30:03 <pbrobinson> on ARMv7 I'll be reviewing as I think there's still a few bits to land in rc2
15:30:06 <pwhalen> #info initial ACPI support for aarch64 included
15:30:11 <pbrobinson> but it's looking good there too
15:30:46 <pbrobinson> for F-22 and 4.0.x towards GA please can everyone do testing and report issues, basically we're now looking at minor polish
15:31:02 <pbrobinson> for both aarch64 and ARMv7
15:31:40 <pbrobinson> anyone else got comments on kernel stuff?
15:32:06 <pbrobinson> feedback?
15:32:15 <pwhalen> id like to see some status of the rpi2, but perhaps next week
15:32:28 <pwhalen> i know kyle was looking at it last week
15:32:37 <pbrobinson> pwhalen: I've been looking at it
15:32:56 <pbrobinson> there's bit's being reviewed, I've ordered one (well it's sitting in checkout)
15:34:07 <pwhalen> pbrobinson, excellent. id really like to see us support it..ive been using our beta image with their 4.0 kernel and uboot locally
15:34:56 <pwhalen> #topic 4) == Open Floor ==
15:35:02 <hrw> 4.1-rc1 in acpi mode lacks usb
15:35:23 <hrw> yesterday was 30 years of ARM
15:35:25 <pwhalen> #info kernel-4.1-rc1 in acpi mode lacks usb
15:35:39 <pbrobinson> hrw: OK, is that due to lack of support in the vendor firmware jonmasters_?
15:36:00 <hrw> pbrobinson: no idea, DT mode works
15:36:00 <jonmasters_> nah, lack of a 2 line patch
15:36:02 <pbrobinson> hrw: does ethernet/sata work in ACPI mode?
15:36:02 <bconoboy> many drivers will have to be updated to use acpi enumeration
15:36:08 <jonmasters_> yea, bconoboy is correct
15:36:10 <hrw> pbrobinson: yes, it does
15:36:19 <bconoboy> they've all been waiting on the core patch set to go in
15:36:22 <jonmasters_> there's still glue code missing that just maps the firmware ID to the driver, lots of one liners will go in soon
15:36:23 <hrw> pbrobinson: I can boot rawhide with acpi=force and only usb lacks
15:36:28 <bconoboy> now that it has, we should expect a flurry of 2 line patches for many drivers.
15:36:36 <jonmasters_> 1-4 lines :)
15:36:38 <pbrobinson> hrw: so I'm not so bothered then as it can be updated via yum/dnf as it lands
15:36:42 <jonmasters_> yup
15:36:45 <jonmasters_> pbrobinson: +1
15:36:49 <hrw> pbrobinson: +1
15:37:40 <pbrobinson> jonmasters_: presumably in 4.2 or will they be in 4.1?
15:37:54 <jonmasters_> 4.2
15:38:01 <pbrobinson> I suspect 4.2 as they're not really bug fixes
15:38:06 <jonmasters_> but there's a concerted effort to push them out
15:38:28 <jonmasters_> 4.1 only promise was bare boot. 4.2 adds glue for device enumeration, maybe PCIe
15:38:43 <jonmasters_> 4.3 will be perfect
15:38:44 <jonmasters_> :)
15:38:58 <pbrobinson> yep, that's fine, we'll just need to leave F-22 ACPI disabled when 4.1 lands there in a couple of months time so we don't regress
15:38:59 <dgilmore> jonmasters_: and we all get unicorns
15:39:21 <dgilmore> pbrobinson: we should leave acpi off for f22's life
15:39:30 <dgilmore> unless the transition is transparent
15:39:34 <pbrobinson> jonmasters_: I'll quote you on that at christmas time
15:39:43 <pbrobinson> dgilmore: I was planning to
15:39:49 <hrw> 4.1-rc1 disables acpi anyway during build of fedora kernels
15:40:11 <dgilmore> hrw:we should enable it in f23 up
15:40:20 <jonmasters_> agree on disabling in F22
15:40:21 <hrw> as for arm64 it depends on EXPERT flag which is off
15:40:35 <jonmasters_> and hope enabled by default in F23
15:40:41 <jonmasters_> but sounds like a good plan
15:41:12 <hrw> http://paste.fedoraproject.org/216291/43023566 is my patch to get acpi on in f23
15:41:42 <jonmasters_> ok great, so ACPI all the things in F23 and not make F22 any more painful for people who don't like ACPI
15:41:48 * jonmasters_ likes that plan
15:42:02 <hrw> +1
15:42:05 <pwhalen> +1
15:42:08 <jonmasters_> (hey, I'm pragmatic, there's ACPI in Linux for ARM now, I don't care :) )
15:42:20 <dgilmore> jonmasters_: we could look at moving f22 to acpi, if and only if it is transparent to users
15:42:24 <hrw> jonmasters_: developers run rawhide anyway ;D
15:42:29 <jonmasters_> dgilmore: sure
15:42:40 <dgilmore> but if users need to do manual things,  update firmware etc then we should not do it
15:42:53 * jonmasters_ has been chatting internally about getting more people to help with ACPI in Fedora, so we'll followup in that F22 part later iff it makes sense etc.
15:43:25 <hrw> dgilmore: would be nice to suggest myapm firmware update anyway. gives usb, kvm working
15:43:45 <pwhalen> hrw, i will include something on our wiki
15:43:49 <hrw> thx
15:44:11 <pbrobinson> right, other than 4.1 has anyone got anything else to discuss?
15:44:11 <pbrobinson> Anyone submitting talks for Flock? CFP closes this week
15:44:31 <hrw> this?
15:44:35 <dgilmore> hrw: if its available to folks
15:44:49 <masta> welcome back
15:44:50 <bconoboy> pbrobinson: pointer to CFP?
15:44:53 * dgilmore needs to submit a talk
15:45:09 <dgilmore> http://flocktofedora.net/submit-a-talk/
15:45:09 <jonmasters_> looking forward to Flock
15:45:13 <jonmasters_> it's driveable from here!
15:45:15 <pbrobinson> #info Flock CFP closes this week, submit ARM talks!
15:45:18 <bconoboy> actual deadline for cfp?
15:45:36 <bconoboy> looks like april 22
15:45:41 <dgilmore> bconoboy: according to the web page April 22
15:45:43 <bconoboy> #info Deadline for submissions is April 22
15:45:52 <jonmasters_> #info Today is April 28
15:45:52 <dgilmore> whic is 6 days ago
15:45:59 <jonmasters_> #info Brendan has a time machine
15:46:13 <dgilmore> I think they are still open though
15:46:35 <hrw> .
15:46:39 <bconoboy> #info dgilmore things submissions are still open
15:47:01 <hrw> cfp is one thing
15:47:06 <dgilmore> http://fedoramagazine.org/flock-to-fedora/ says may 2
15:47:08 <hrw> hm. long time not in us
15:47:26 <dgilmore> so I guess it was extended but they did not update the main website
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15:47:54 <hrw> for me it looks like fly to Toronto, visit Niagara falls, go for conference, visit NY, go home
15:47:56 <bconoboy> #undu
15:47:58 <dgilmore> #info Call for talks is open until May 2
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15:48:29 <dgilmore> gahh
15:48:33 <dgilmore> #info Call for talks is open until May 2
15:48:38 <dgilmore> lets go with that
15:48:40 <bconoboy> yeah.
15:48:41 <pwhalen> :)
15:49:15 <pwhalen> ok, anything else for today?
15:49:26 <dgilmore> just do lots of testing
15:49:38 <pwhalen> agreed!
15:50:52 <pwhalen> #endmeeting