15:01:25 <pwhalen> #startmeeting Fedora ARM & AArch64 Status Meeting
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15:01:26 <pwhalen> #chair pwhalen bconoboy pbrobinson dgilmore hrw jsmith dmarlin ahs3 yselkowitz zsun
15:01:26 <zodbot> Current chairs: ahs3 bconoboy dgilmore dmarlin hrw jsmith pbrobinson pwhalen yselkowitz zsun
15:01:36 <pwhalen> good morning
15:01:44 <hrw> o/
15:01:55 * pbrobinson is here
15:02:31 * jsmith is here (from a conference)
15:03:01 <dgilmore> hola
15:03:43 <pwhalen> thanks for coming all, lets get started
15:03:52 <pwhalen> #topic 1) ==== Package Status & Issues  ====
15:04:00 <pbrobinson> no packaging issue
15:04:20 <hrw> no issues from me as well
15:04:24 <pbrobinson> it's looking REALLY good.... I'm awaiting something terrible as a result
15:04:30 <hrw> ;D
15:04:34 <pwhalen> awesome, do we have some current stats to post for the logs?
15:04:37 <jsmith> terribly good, I hope :-)
15:04:56 <pwhalen> if not handy, no worries
15:04:58 <hrw> during Friday I went through depcheck list and most of them just needs builds
15:05:41 <pbrobinson> give me a sec
15:05:53 <pwhalen> #info hrw went through depcheck, most packages just need new builds
15:06:18 <pbrobinson> f23: statistics: {'older': 46, 'local_only': 0, 'remote_only': 293, 'same': 16758, 'newer': 1, 'total_missing_builds': 86}
15:06:18 <pbrobinson> f24: statistics: {'older': 101, 'local_only': 0, 'remote_only': 312, 'same': 16845, 'newer': 0, 'total_missing_builds': 110}
15:06:34 <pwhalen> #info f23: statistics: {'older': 46, 'local_only': 0, 'remote_only': 293, 'same': 16758, 'newer': 1, 'total_missing_builds': 86}
15:06:35 <hrw> outstanding!
15:06:38 <pbrobinson> rawhide is up a bit as it's just started a new run
15:06:42 <pwhalen> #info f24: statistics: {'older': 101, 'local_only': 0, 'remote_only': 312, 'same': 16845, 'newer': 0, 'total_missing_builds': 110}
15:07:03 <pwhalen> w00
15:07:18 <hrw> 200 builds to be up-to-date (not counting those which get added)
15:08:05 <pwhalen> #topic 2) ==== Kernel Status ====
15:08:26 <pbrobinson> it's looking pretty good for both 4.2.x on F-23 and 4.3
15:08:32 <pbrobinson> not aware of any issues
15:09:08 <hrw> works fine on mustang
15:09:29 <hrw> Linux pinkiepie.local 4.3.0-0.rc4.git0.1.fc24.aarch64 #1 SMP Tue Oct 6 12:55:02 UTC 2015 aarch64 aarch64 aarch64 GNU/Linux
15:09:30 <pwhalen> ive not found any issues in f23, 4.3 had some issues on imx6 last week, will check current this week
15:09:38 <hrw> over 6 days uptime
15:10:25 <pwhalen> kernel sounds like its in good shape too.. anything else worth mentioning?
15:11:18 <hrw> looks like we got into quite boring point. kernel works, nearly up-to-date with packages...
15:11:35 <pwhalen> good place to be
15:11:39 <pwhalen> alright.. moving on
15:11:43 <dgilmore> hrw: boring is good
15:11:51 <hrw> dgilmore: yep
15:11:54 <pwhalen> #topic 3) ==== F23 TC6 for ARM ====
15:11:55 <pwhalen> #info Testing so far: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Summary
15:11:55 <pwhalen> #info F23 Blockers/FE's - https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/23/final/buglist
15:12:35 <pwhalen> tc6 was posted over the weekend, ive just pulled it down. there were some issues with the server repo, but images, workstation looks to be okay
15:14:00 <pwhalen> pbrobinson tested the minimal image without issue, anyone else have a chance to look?
15:14:36 <pwhalen> it Thanksgiving here yesterday, so I was out.. will get results posted shortly
15:16:20 * jonmasters apologies for being late
15:17:00 <pwhalen> jonmasters, howdy.. no worries. seems we're in good shape, no real issues in the kernel, packages.. very boring so far
15:17:39 <dgilmore> pwhalen: tc6 is busted
15:17:47 <dgilmore> I am fixing compose issues
15:18:24 <pbrobinson> dgilmore: wasn't that mostly server edition?
15:18:26 <pwhalen> right, do we expect a new tc with the server compose fixed?
15:18:32 <dgilmore> pbrobinson: no
15:18:42 <dgilmore> install tree is missing from all arches
15:18:56 <dgilmore> and all variants
15:19:58 <pwhalen> workstation was okay for armhfp
15:20:14 <pwhalen> or its there.. but i can wait, are we expecting a new tc shortly?
15:20:16 <dgilmore> pwhalen: did you test the disk image or installer>
15:20:28 <dgilmore> I have a TC8 running now
15:20:42 <dgilmore> not that it was requested
15:20:49 <pwhalen> i just pulled it down.. okay..may as well wait then, or look at the changes
15:21:21 <pbrobinson> I've just tried minimal image
15:22:06 <pwhalen> #topic 4) ==== F23 for AArch64 ====
15:23:17 <pwhalen> pbrobinson, anything to add here? afaik we're looking to do an rc tomorrow? still the plan?
15:23:54 <pbrobinson> depends on mainline
15:24:28 <pbrobinson> and hence QA
15:24:53 <dgilmore> pwhalen: RC can come anytime now
15:25:01 <pwhalen> ok, so perhaps delayed, but shortly after PA
15:26:27 <pwhalen> #info F23 AArch64 RC expected shortly after primary, no current issues.
15:26:38 <pwhalen> #topic 5) == Open Floor ==
15:27:06 <pwhalen> anything else for today?
15:27:28 <hrw> how we are with r/pi2?
15:27:39 <hrw> hikey? dragonboard 410c?
15:29:01 <pwhalen> i dont know that anyone is looking at the hikey.. dragonboard, dmarlin is looking, but it doesnt sound great
15:30:02 <dmarlin> one of the big issues is firmware (wireless, graphics)... not freely distributable
15:30:26 <dmarlin> and there are lots of qcom kernel patches not upstream yet
15:30:29 <hrw> 96borads...
15:30:36 <dmarlin> dragonboard
15:31:19 <dmarlin> we're talking with linaro about the firmware
15:32:25 <dmarlin> with dragonboard there is also the bootloader issue (no UEFI, just aboot/fastboot)
15:33:09 <pwhalen> right :(
15:33:34 <hrw> right, hikey got something uefi
15:33:53 <jonmasters> there's a second supplier for HiKey now - LeMaker
15:34:02 <pwhalen> it does.. and likely progressed to something usable?
15:34:03 <jonmasters> can get immediate shipping boards via Lenovator
15:34:25 <hrw> jonmasters: yes, both are now more or less available so prefered to ask before people buy and start asking on #fedora-arm
15:34:43 <jonmasters> right
15:35:05 <hrw> will have to check is kidney enough to get any of them shipped to Poland
15:35:28 <pwhalen> heh, and a 2Gb version coming
15:35:35 <jonmasters> hrw: you've got two kidneys, right?
15:35:48 <dmarlin> IIUC while hikey does have uefi available, there is no ACPI support, and the kernel is woefully out of date (3.19)
15:36:11 <hrw> jonmasters: yes, but two 96borads boards
15:36:34 <jonmasters> upstream kernels should boot (without graphics - Mali), figuring out UEFI status
15:36:48 <dmarlin> hrw: ain't worth it... wait for the seattle based enterprise edition
15:36:59 <dmarlin> save the kidneys
15:37:01 <dmarlin> :)
15:37:22 <hrw> dmarlin: long time since I had board to complain about ;(
15:37:41 <hrw> dmarlin: may lose some of blog readers ;D
15:38:16 <dmarlin> hrw: then get jcm to send you a hikey... quick
15:38:48 <hrw> jonmasters: have spare? :D
15:39:01 <pwhalen> alright, lets wrap this up... anything else for today?
15:39:23 <yselkowitz> any plans for aarch64 in copr or epel7?
15:39:52 <jonmasters> hrw: I have a few hikeys in flight from China - will distribute
15:40:06 <pbrobinson> no, we don't currently have the resources, maybe in the new year
15:40:24 <yselkowitz> armv7 is also missing in copr
15:40:34 <pbrobinson> jonmasters: what about the 96board ent editions?
15:40:58 <jonmasters> pbrobinson: bringup scheduled for end of this month, production further delayed into end of next month
15:41:19 <jonmasters> it's gonna be the hot toy for the holidays!
15:41:27 <jonmasters> all the kids will want one
15:41:42 <davidlt> I want a few!
15:41:52 * dmarlin will settle for one
15:42:06 <pbrobinson> jonmasters: I've heard that for.... well I forget it was so long ago....
15:42:29 <dmarlin> but this time is for real... honest!    :)
15:42:35 <jonmasters> pbrobinson: right, understood. the supplier in question has screwed up
15:42:50 <jonmasters> (this is why there is now a second source for hikey also)
15:43:08 <dmarlin> second (and third) sources is always good
15:43:23 <pbrobinson> jonmasters: understatement of the year I think, btw you have outstanding lots of other thing you owe me
15:43:32 <jonmasters> ideally Linaro wouldn't have to sideline in driving the making of low cost boards and ARM themselves would have bankrolled+developed+driven this whole thing years ago...but I give up there
15:44:12 <jonmasters> pbrobinson: I'll ping you in the next couple days to sync. You're on AUS time, right?
15:44:50 <pbrobinson> jonmasters: ideally Linaro in 96boards would concentrate on the core things they promise, like fully upstream which they're yet to deliver on a single board for the basic func like boot/network/usb etc
15:45:28 <pbrobinson> jonmasters: yes, but it depends, ping me and I'll provide details
15:45:31 <jonmasters> it's a sh*t show because they rely on silicon vendors to do the right thing that is promised...
15:46:38 <jonmasters> I was at AMD last week and checked on status of the Enterprise board. The kernel is obviously in good shape driver wise. The firmware is mostly ok. There's a couple of pieces that use licensed IP in the UEFI so there might be a couple of modules that aren't open on day 1. We discussed that, along with a plan to get those opened, communicate the plan, etc.
15:46:40 <pbrobinson> like it was always going to be..... their motto should be "Promising shit we could never possibly deliver because we have no fucking control over anything in the process"
15:47:25 <pbrobinson> jonmasters: what's the state of the vfat driver in uEFI btw for virt firmware?
15:47:30 <jonmasters> minimally for Huskey (Enterprise board) you'll be able to rebuild UEFI from source, but you might need to link against a couple of modules they provide until the code is refactored
15:47:55 <davidlt> this was discussed in Connect, they cannot force people from different companies working on things would favour one specific company, thus you have to rely on company making the right thing
15:47:57 <jonmasters> pbrobinson: I am told that there is "something in the works" and we should probably ping some internal folks
15:48:24 <pbrobinson> jonmasters: there's been something in the works for 2+ years now!
15:48:35 <jonmasters> understood
15:48:52 <pbrobinson> jonmasters: sadly no exaggeration, it's blocking a LOT
15:49:49 <jonmasters> I know. I brought it up recently and was told "watch this space"
15:50:01 <jonmasters> suggest pinging virt folks in RH
15:50:42 <pwhalen> shall we move this over to #fedora-arm ?
15:52:22 <pwhalen> #endmeeting