23:09:42 #startmeeting Fedora LATAM Ambassadors 23:09:43 Meeting started Sat Nov 28 23:09:42 2015 UTC. The chair is potty. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 23:09:43 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 23:09:43 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_latam_ambassadors' 23:10:00 .fas itamarjp 23:10:00 itamarjp: itamarjp 'Itamar Reis Peixoto' 23:10:13 #topic Roll Call 23:10:22 * itamarjp Cuba 23:10:29 .fasinfo potty 23:10:29 potty: User: potty, Name: Abdel G. Martínez L., email: abdel.g.martinez.l@gmail.com, Creation: 2010-03-27, IRC Nick: potty, Timezone: America/Panama, Locale: es, GPG key ID: , Status: active 23:10:31 .fas yn1v 23:10:32 potty: Unapproved Groups: l10n-commits 23:10:35 potty: Approved Groups: web qa python-sig freemedia @fedora-pa cla_fedora cla_done ambassadors campusambassadors packager fedorabugs cla_fpca bzrpython-fedora @gitmarba3nf docs docs-writers gitfas 23:10:39 yn1v: yn1v 'Neville A. Cross' 23:10:48 * yn1v = Nicaragua 23:10:58 * potty Panama 23:11:51 Welcome people! 23:12:02 #topic Meeting Date and Schedule 23:12:21 This is the new temporary schedule for the meeting... 23:12:35 Do anyone has comments about it? 23:13:07 #chair yn1v itamarjp 23:13:07 Current chairs: itamarjp potty yn1v 23:14:26 I preffer meetings at saturday 23:14:30 this time is ok for me. 23:14:54 .fas srkraken 23:14:54 srkraken: srkraken 'Efren Antonio Robledo Moreno' 23:14:57 I work during the week and I don't have time to attend the meeting in weekdays 23:15:01 * srkraken Mexico 23:15:12 there is more chances that I will be avaliable on Saturday than in a working day 23:15:51 Do you think the voting system to chose the new date was the ideal? 23:16:51 yes, it has been used widely in fedora project for arranging meeting times in others bodies, like council and famsco 23:17:46 I'm telling this because not everyone vote. Only 9 person. 23:18:39 9 is enough we need to make our community grow, so next time we have more persons voting. 23:19:00 we need to invite the people using gmail calendar and facebook events. 23:19:09 99% of the people use these stuff 23:20:44 I agree 23:20:52 Do we have any othe opinion? 23:21:37 #idea Set-up recursive Google Calendar and Facebook events 23:24:23 We have the issue that mailing list were been updated and that make some emails to be delayed 23:24:40 Yes 23:24:44 That was not fair 23:25:03 If we set up fedocal I think it will be enough 23:25:03 And Telegram was the way people get noticed of the new schedule 23:25:21 Fedocal is setted... 23:25:23 Question 23:25:38 Can the fedocal send reminders to the mailing list? 23:25:43 I didn't get notofication from fedocal 23:25:52 me neither 23:25:53 yes, 23:25:59 Not sure how 23:26:02 Ok 23:26:07 I know how 23:26:09 But not sure 23:26:18 I do get reminders for docs meetings and office hours 23:26:20 If it does not have problems sending it 23:26:26 I will set it up 23:26:50 Also lets try a few more meetings on Saturday 23:26:57 And see if people come 23:27:19 Finally post on the CommBlog about the new date 23:27:23 What do you think? 23:28:12 .fas alexove 23:28:12 alexove: alexove 'Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis' 23:28:17 I think in the future commops blogs will be a reference, but not now ... not every body is aware of it 23:28:21 Welcome alexove 23:28:43 thanks potty, sorry I'm late :-( 23:28:47 But I think it will be recorded 23:29:01 It won't hurt, but I do not think it will raise awareness at the moment 23:29:04 alexove: relax! We are talking about the schedule of the meeting 23:29:20 yn1v +1 23:29:29 alexove what do you think about meetings at saturdays ? 23:29:29 Ok, resuming: 23:29:49 Yes, alexove, tell your opinion please 23:31:24 what is the matter with the schedule? I thought it was agreed 23:31:57 There was no great participation of the most latam contributors 23:32:15 And someone said the voting system was not valid 23:32:37 how many people are there? 23:32:53 Only 9 votes 23:34:22 I think that the problem was the mailing list, to officially communicate that we were looking for new meeting time 23:34:30 Yes 23:35:24 if somebody objected the method, should said why and propose something else 23:35:26 We can call to voting again and wait longer time, while lead discussions in the mailing list 23:35:46 yn1v +1 23:35:51 So, lets do this: 1) keep the schedule on Saturday for a few weeks 2) mail the situation ob the 23:36:07 On the list 23:36:31 3) set a new voting day and system (i agree to use whenisgood) 23:37:00 4) analyze the results and record all of this on the wiki 23:37:09 I would not open to debate the se of when is good ... it will take longer to settle in a tool 23:37:26 5) notify on the mailing list and post on commblog 23:37:27 the *use 23:37:59 yn1v: i dont know if someone got sonething better. If not, we will keep whenisgood 23:38:49 Do you agree? 23:39:17 I can live with that, it will take longer. 23:39:53 whenisgood has been used for more important schedules like board meeting 23:39:54 Thats the drawback of this method, but it will lead the process on the "good" way 23:40:39 yn1v: i know and i am in favor of whenisgood 23:42:59 Do we have any extra opinion on this? 23:43:06 So we can move to next topic 23:44:01 +1 for whenisgood 23:44:45 +1 for whenisgood 23:45:29 Ok 23:45:35 Lets move to next topic 23:45:43 #topic Budget FY17 23:46:00 Please remember to fill the budget wiki 23:46:45 Do we have any questions on how and where? 23:46:57 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/LATAM/Budget:2017 23:47:22 Thank you yn1v 23:48:10 We only got Peru, Venezuela and Nicaragua events 23:48:17 Is missing the rest 23:48:47 If we dont fill this, then we cant be filling tickets and asking for reimbursements 23:48:59 therefore, less budget to LATAM 23:49:19 I will update it adding some Brazilian events. 23:49:38 Thank you 23:50:17 yo agregare algunos eventos para Mexico 23:50:45 We can algo add some extra events and update the swags quantity too 23:51:45 Good 23:52:59 Do we have any extra opinion? 23:53:06 Or shall we move to next topic? 23:53:42 disculpen yo tengo un ticket pendiente podemos tratarlo 23:53:47 ?? 23:53:48 But I think is necessary say to the ambassadors about the budget again 23:54:59 srkraken: ok 23:55:21 u segundo dejenme encontrarlo 23:55:42 alexove: we have a discussionon the list 23:56:02 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-latam/ticket/313 23:56:27 potty: Yes we have but the thread is sleeping 23:56:39 I know 23:57:10 That would a topic on a next meeting 23:57:15 it is necessary to remember that to others 23:58:12 Yes 23:58:27 Let solve srkraken ticket 23:58:35 If we got quorum for that 23:58:54 And on the next meeting we will discuss the Delegation and Budget.next topic 23:58:58 * alexove Peru 23:59:06 #topic Ticket 313 23:59:17 Explain the ticket srkraken 23:59:32 ok potty 00:00:23 Mi ticket es para realizar un release Party de fedora 23 en el sur de mi país, 00:01:11 Oscar Creatura y yo daremos una serie de talleres relacionados 00:01:21 en un hackerspace 00:02:34 Esperamos tener una asistencia entre 30 - 50 personas 00:03:58 How much is the budget? 00:04:12 The budget is not included in the wiki page, srkraken can improbe the wiki page including the budget 00:04:38 420 dolares 00:04:54 Try english srkraken 00:05:31 Please how is this be used? Transport, lodging? What are the expenses? 00:05:43 ok Potty 00:06:21 there is a user base in place already? 00:07:27 Potty try to make a small table and place it in the last comment 00:07:41 It is difficult make a event remote, if there is no people then everything is more complicated 00:08:49 I think is a waste of time and resources going across the country (specially, a big country) if there is no users there 00:09:39 Oh... No users there... It is difficult to do some work 00:10:08 I am against starting a relationship with a big party, people will think that all the time they are entitled to have food and drinks 00:10:28 On such situations srkraken you should start small 00:10:43 As yn1v said 00:11:24 * potty is thinking meeting went too long 00:11:33 Why go all the way there? What makes that special? You should be working in building a team in your city 00:12:04 ok 00:13:03 #action srkraken should reconsider about this event and its planning. For now, no votation. 00:13:24 srkraken, They have invited you? 00:13:34 srkraken, theres no enough people here to approve your ticket. 00:13:46 itamar_: +1 00:14:27 I am trying to understand why make that personal effort 00:14:40 srkraken: please explain a bit more 00:16:35 It is easy for some one to ask for a presentation, but it seems a bit excessive such a travel 00:17:16 Do we have any other topic? 00:17:25 yes 00:17:50 budget 2016 00:18:50 should I get ahead with it? 00:18:51 #Topic Budget 2016 00:19:03 Tell us yn1v 00:20:30 we did not spend money in Q1 and Q2 ... then we make a lot of spending with FUDCon in Q3 00:21:14 It was approved to use budget from latam to fund people to attend FUDCon 00:22:04 The point is (?) 00:22:11 So, there is one problem. Some payment were made directly by Ruth. Some others were asked to her for reimbursement. 00:22:37 The point is I have no idea how much budget we have for Q4 00:23:12 Is there a way to investigate? 00:24:06 Yes, We need to ask people sponsored if they can provide the amount that was sponsored. 00:24:34 Can you handle that task yn1v ? 00:25:15 THere is a catch, according to lbazan some budget was not from latam. I am not sure which people fall into latam and which are under the extra budget 00:25:46 I can ask for all the info and put it on the budget wiki 00:25:58 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/LATAM/Budget:2016 00:26:20 then ask lbazan to mark what is not from our regional budget 00:26:28 Ok 00:27:41 But in the general sense we were saying yes to anything on Q1 and Q2 because we have money 00:27:57 now, we don't know if we have or not 00:28:05 Understood 00:29:27 I am afraid that some items only were discussed by Gtalk and there is no support. It may turn out that the extra budget was not such and was taken from our own budget 00:29:33 eof 00:30:58 Ok 00:31:06 Do anyone has comments here? 00:33:49 Lets open floor then 00:33:54 #topic Open Floor 00:34:02 Meeting is almost finished 00:34:10 ok Potty 00:34:11 ! 00:34:16 alexove: 00:35:28 we receive an invitation for a International Meeting in Ilo city, this city is about 45 minutos by plane 00:36:21 we want to go but I have doubts about the reimbursement 00:36:45 We can wait for reimbursement but not for long 00:37:25 there is no way to predict what will happen with reimbursements 00:37:49 It is advisable to accept the invitation in this context? cardholder or treasurer have not yet 00:37:54 eof 00:39:11 Let me ask about the reimbursement event 00:39:45 What is your deadline alexove ? 00:40:01 My personal opinion, and should not be taken as any fedora official opinion, is that nobody should spent any money that can not afford to loose. You can wait for too long 00:40:41 yn1v +1 00:40:53 yn1v: +1 00:40:57 potty: the event is between december 7 and december 11 00:41:02 yn1v: +1 00:41:46 Ok 00:41:53 Fill a ticket anyhow 00:42:00 Lets close the meeting then 00:42:16 potty +1 00:42:45 In 3... 00:42:48 2... 00:43:02 1.5... 00:43:07 1... 00:43:14 Thank you for cominng 00:43:18 #endmeeting