16:00:52 <pwhalen> #startmeeting Fedora ARM and AArch64 Status Meeting
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16:00:52 <pwhalen> #chair pwhalen bconoboy pbrobinson dgilmore hrw jsmith dmarlin
16:00:52 <zodbot> Current chairs: bconoboy dgilmore dmarlin hrw jsmith pbrobinson pwhalen
16:00:53 <hrw> pwhalen: do not use &
16:00:59 <pwhalen> hrw right :)
16:00:59 <hrw> o/
16:01:15 <kushal> .hellomynameis kushal
16:01:16 <zodbot> kushal: kushal 'Kushal Das' <mail@kushaldas.in>
16:01:31 * masta is here
16:01:33 <kushal> pwhalen, hrw hi, I am here in this meeting for the first time ;)
16:01:53 <hrw> kushal: everyone started one day
16:01:58 <pwhalen> kushal et al, happy new year!
16:02:10 <kushal> hrw, pwhalen Happy new year :)
16:02:19 <hrw> pbrobinson is still in AU or UK again?
16:02:23 <pwhalen> thanks for joining
16:02:36 <pbrobinson> hrw: AU
16:02:46 * pbrobinson is here...
16:03:16 <pwhalen> alright, lets get started ..
16:03:23 <pwhalen> #topic 1) ==== Package Status & Issues  ====
16:03:40 <pwhalen> hrw, pbrobinson how is everything looking?
16:03:52 <hrw> 1. systemd bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1271387 turned out to be binutils fault.
16:03:55 <pwhalen> i think the number one issue is binutils issue
16:04:16 <hrw> 2.25.1 generates code which results in non-bootable systems.
16:04:30 <hrw> 2.26.51 (snapshot from 2015.11.13) gives working systemd
16:04:41 <pbrobinson> good, mostly up to date, other than hrw's quarterly fix for firefox nothing of alarm
16:04:49 <pwhalen> #info 1. systemd bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1271387 turned out to be binutils fault
16:05:12 <pbrobinson> hrw: yea, not surprised, I suspect fix will be incoming soon
16:05:13 <pwhalen> pbrobinson, nice, stats you showed me yesterday looked good..
16:05:20 <hrw> pbrobinson: build started d:
16:05:32 <kushal> Where do you all test aarch64? In 96boards based boards?
16:05:51 <masta> kushal: mustang board here
16:05:55 <hrw> kushal: I have APM Mustang under desk. RH machine. with gfx etc
16:06:06 * kushal goes to google
16:06:15 <hrw> kushal: used it as a desktop for a week even ;d
16:06:48 <kushal> Okay
16:06:49 <pwhalen> #info Rawhide AArch64 mostly up to date.
16:06:56 <hrw> yay!
16:06:58 <kushal> https://www.apm.com/products/data-center/x-gene-family/x-c1-development-kits/x-c1-development-kit-basic/ is this the right one?
16:07:04 <hrw> kushal: yes
16:07:30 <pbrobinson> kushal: working to get cheaper boards to test, at the moment it's mostly enterprise boards
16:07:32 <kushal> Okay, can not afford. Next point :)
16:07:54 <kushal> pbrobinson, Okay, I remember you told me few things during flock.
16:07:56 <hrw> kushal: wait for Huskey board
16:08:13 <pbrobinson> kushal: should hopefully have geekbox, and maybe Pine64 in F-24 cycle
16:08:35 <pbrobinson> kushal: changed a lot even since then
16:08:44 <kushal> okay
16:09:02 <kushal> pbrobinson, Thanks for the info, I will make sure that I do more work in this side :)
16:09:14 <pbrobinson> kushal: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pine64/pine-a64-first-15-64-bit-single-board-super-comput
16:09:27 <pwhalen_> sorry, i got disconnected. for binutils, is there anything we can do, or just 'hurry up and wait'?
16:10:27 <hrw> pwhalen: we can nicely ask nickc to package snapshot?
16:11:11 <kushal> pbrobinson, we should get Fedora logo on that kickstarter page :)
16:11:22 <pbrobinson> hrw: nickc will be on it as soon as it's assigned to him
16:11:55 <hrw> pbrobinson: bug is assigned to binutils already ;D
16:12:55 <hrw> ok, any other package issue?
16:13:01 <pwhalen> well, if its reasonable, lets see if we can poke him.. thanks
16:14:09 <pwhalen> #topic 2) ==== Kernel & Uboot Status ====
16:14:31 <pbrobinson> kernel 4.4 is rc8, GA next week
16:14:42 <pwhalen> #info Latest - kernel-4.4.0-0.rc8.git0.1.fc24
16:14:45 <pbrobinson> I enabled the 64 bit rockchip support
16:14:52 <pbrobinson> reviewing others
16:14:59 <pwhalen> #url armhfp - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=708945
16:15:06 <pbrobinson> 4.3 should be landing in stable by EoW
16:15:19 <pwhalen> #link armhfp - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=708945
16:15:31 <pwhalen> #link aarch64 http://arm.koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=334012
16:16:03 <pwhalen> #info Enabled 64 bit rockchip support.
16:16:18 <hrw> are there any boards with 64bit rk?
16:16:47 <pbrobinson> hrw: geekbox, and a bunch of TV devices
16:16:53 <pwhalen> #info U-Boot latest - uboot-tools-2016.01-0.3.rc3.fc24
16:17:02 <pwhalen> #link http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=707233
16:17:04 <masta> I narrow down chromebook problems to a set of kernel configs in "general setup", so I'm going to rewind my bisect and see exactly which one.
16:17:41 <pwhalen> #info Enabled Lamobo_R1, Orange Pi (original, mini, PC, plus).
16:18:07 <pwhalen> #info Please test and report issues to the list.
16:18:18 <pbrobinson> 2016.01 rc4 should land in next compose, GA won't be far off
16:18:28 <pwhalen> masta, nice.. i saw you guys talking about it last night
16:19:13 <pwhalen> pungi fixed?
16:19:28 <pbrobinson> hah!, no!
16:19:31 <masta> hehe
16:19:33 <pbrobinson> soon, hopefully
16:19:52 <masta> pungi is really fragile
16:19:58 <pbrobinson> masta: and look forward to it, got a diff of the options, I might be able to help you reduce it
16:20:35 <masta> pbrobinson: I could get you a diff later on, sure
16:20:59 <masta> pbrobinson: maybe when you wake up later on tomorrow
16:21:46 <pwhalen> any other kernel issues/uboot?
16:22:02 <pbrobinson> masta: so in around 7 hours when the resident baby starts to scream (well he will a number of times in between and I won't hear)
16:22:11 <pwhalen> lol
16:22:13 <pbrobinson> pwhalen: 1
16:22:19 <masta> so for the audience, I'm converting the multi_v7_defconfig to have all the fedora kernel configs slowly, then booting to see where it breaks
16:22:33 <masta> it's slow going
16:23:03 <masta> I got impatient and did a bunch of "general setup" configs, and it broke.. so I don't know which one exactly
16:23:16 <pbrobinson> so I've had reports of issues with upstream (and our) u-boot on Cubox-i regarding stability, has anyone seen stability issues, if so can I have details please
16:23:53 <pwhalen> no cubox-i here..
16:24:12 <kushal> What is the status of stock Fedora on RPI2?
16:24:45 <hrw> kushal: iirc same. none
16:24:51 <kushal> Okay
16:25:20 <hrw> last time (2 months) it was too big patchset to get it booted
16:25:52 <pbrobinson> kushal: wash your mouth out! (maybe it looks like we might have enough with kernel 4.5) ..... please send heavy spirits!
16:26:27 <hrw> pbrobinson: good that he did not asked about roseapple/pi ;D
16:26:46 <pwhalen> ugh.. yea.. hrw have you looked any further?
16:27:06 <kushal> pbrobinson, sorry, the message went above my head. May be I asked in the wrong time. I will shut up now.
16:27:24 <hrw> pwhalen: not found courage yet
16:27:36 <pbrobinson> hrw pwhalen it should be supportable (in a much better way) in 4.5 too I think
16:27:43 <pwhalen> kushal, its been an FAQ for a while.
16:27:59 <pwhalen> pbrobinson, thats good news
16:28:21 <pbrobinson> kushal: it's a mind fuck, stressful and a terrible device and the org has no interest in upstream community support
16:28:21 <hrw> kushal: after each release people enter #fedora-arm and ask. month later they do not
16:28:47 <kushal> Understood now.
16:28:50 <hrw> ok, lets move to next step
16:28:54 <pbrobinson> kushal: this is actually a very good technical rant on it https://plus.google.com/u/0/117898952501074015902/posts/jUH3Chb4mWD
16:29:00 <hrw> so we calm calm down ;D
16:29:33 <masta> lol rpi
16:30:04 <pwhalen> #topic 3) ==== Updates Status ====
16:30:38 <kushal> pbrobinson, thanks, let me read it.
16:30:53 <pwhalen> #info pbrobinson pushed updates for aarch64 today.
16:31:03 <pwhalen> anything else worth mentioning here?
16:31:07 <pbrobinson> updates pushed for stable releases earlier today (my time) and 4.3 should be coming this week!
16:31:43 <pwhalen> #info Kernel 4.3 should be pushed to stable this week.
16:31:59 <pbrobinson> interestingly with 4.2.7 and the latest firmware the builders appear to have been stable for extended time (15+ days) .... (just jinxed that I know)
16:32:05 <masta> pbrobinson: can you show me how to push aarch64 updates sometime? I have a clue, actually. I can be backup if you are ever on holiday.
16:32:46 <pbrobinson> masta: sure!
16:33:19 <pbrobinson> masta: that would be really useful actually!
16:33:29 <masta> yeah! same for ppc64le
16:33:52 <pwhalen> #topic 4) == Open Floor ==
16:34:57 <kushal> no more from me :)
16:35:00 <pbrobinson> masta: all ppc64* is the same, and same process as aarch64
16:35:00 <pwhalen> anything else for today folks?
16:35:08 <pbrobinson> masta: will sync soon
16:35:31 <pbrobinson> just to test hardware/u-boot/kernels please :)
16:35:34 <pwhalen> thanks to all for coming today, be great if we could keep this up
16:35:47 <masta> o/
16:35:52 <kushal> Thanks  for all the information folks :)
16:36:14 <pwhalen> #info Please test all the things! Report to the list or in channel.
16:36:15 <hrw> any strange arm32/64 boards on horizon?
16:37:17 <pbrobinson> thanks all
16:37:27 <pwhalen> #endmeeting