23:03:10 #startmeeting Fedora LATAM 23:03:10 Meeting started Sat Jan 9 23:03:10 2016 UTC. The chair is potty. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 23:03:10 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 23:03:10 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_latam' 23:03:18 #topic Roll Call 23:03:26 Welcome all 23:03:31 Please present yourself 23:03:36 .fas potty 23:03:36 potty: potty 'Abdel G. Martínez L.' - radhakrishnanpotty 'S.Radhakrishnan' 23:03:55 .fas wolnei 23:03:56 wolnei: wolnei 'Wolnei Cândido Tomazelli Junior' 23:04:01 .fas echevemaster 23:04:01 echevemaster: echevemaster 'Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado' 23:04:14 .fas josereyesjdi 23:04:14 yosef7: josereyesjdi 'Jose Reyes' 23:04:44 * echevemaster Colombia 23:05:00 * potty Panama 23:05:16 Brazil from Panama 23:05:22 Panama 23:06:18 Lets move on 23:06:23 .fas alexove 23:06:23 alexove: alexove 'Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis' 23:06:30 * alexove alexove = Peru 23:06:34 #topic LATAM Budget FY17 23:06:43 .fas kovalevsky 23:06:43 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/LATAM/Budget:2017 23:06:43 kovalevsky: sophiekovalevsky 'Kiara Navarro' 23:06:49 Panama 23:06:59 wolnei, What are you doing there, on vacation? 23:07:11 Please take 5 minutes to review the link 23:07:27 echevemaster: he is on vacation 23:07:38 :) 23:08:13 Hi. Will do. igeek_88 on Fedora Project. 23:08:42 There is a maximum amount per event? 23:08:49 No. 23:08:58 kovalevsky, there are not limit 23:09:14 You should budget according to the possible expenses you will have on the event 23:09:15 if you need an amount only ask in that list. 23:09:48 OK 23:09:59 I'm from Argentina and it's the first time I'm on this type od meetings. Anyone else? 23:10:20 igeek_88: welcome 23:10:33 igeek_88, welcome 23:10:34 If anyone got inquiries, please make them here 23:11:10 Please review the link 23:11:12 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/LATAM/Budget:2017 23:11:41 Thank you. I would like to know if you are used to sending a briefing after the meeting to a list and, if so, to which one. 23:12:20 After the meeting we send the logs to the mailing list 23:13:11 Mailing list which I'm not subscribed 23:13:45 I received a welcome mail, and then rejected my messages 😕 23:13:49 anyone else ask for sticker and media? 23:14:05 Me. 23:14:15 Kohane after the meeting remind me to refresh the ticket already made 23:14:35 Okay. I'll do so 23:15:00 Already you did the request in the budget page? Kohane 23:15:18 For ti 23:15:21 echevemaster: Panama Nicaragua Mexico Colombia Bolivia 23:15:27 For stickers? 23:15:33 Only made the stickers request 23:15:38 No, I didn't know how to do it 23:15:48 Kohane: it is on the SWAG section 23:15:56 Ah 23:16:13 yes, remember that is the only thing always we are asking and is very hard to get 23:16:21 so, please ask before SWAG 23:16:25 echevemaster: +1 23:16:41 As you can see, I added two events I mean to do, but I didn't know how to do the rest. 23:17:04 Anyone got other questions about the budget? 23:17:06 so, if you need swag for all the year, please ask there. 23:17:24 Where's swag? 23:17:30 I'm lost 23:17:41 swag in this context is 23:17:43 sticker 23:17:46 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/LATAM/Budget:2017 23:17:46 cd 23:17:48 etc 23:18:04 Per Quarter is an subsection called SWAG 23:18:21 Right. And where and how do I ask for it? 23:18:33 There you put the budget you calculate for the swag 23:18:38 so, if you have per example, 20 events in the year, ask media and swag accorded 23:18:47 Right now you dont ask, only make the estimation 23:18:49 ! 23:18:56 Edit the wiki and put the budget for it 23:18:57 Is necessary request the swags separately from each event budget? 23:19:01 Tell us more alexove 23:19:02 No, there's two, maybe three for the dh 23:19:06 Whole year 23:19:09 Sorry 23:19:13 you will receive an amount for your country to produce this swag 23:19:31 for all the year 23:19:31 Oh! 23:19:34 Kohane: alexove: I suggest to calculate one budget for all year 23:19:38 yes. 23:19:43 Now I get it 23:19:54 Its easier 23:20:02 To produce. Also cheaper. 23:21:15 Produce DVD don't means produce 'pretty' DVDs, some functional will make the task 23:21:20 Kohane, 23:21:24 Okay. So I edit the wiki and the budget for swag below, where it says stickers, etc…? 23:21:31 Yes 23:21:44 echevemaster: what? 23:23:10 Right now the only countries with info on the budget wiki are Peru, Venezuela, Colombia, Panama, Nicaragua, Bolivia, Uruguay, Brazil, Mexico 23:23:17 It is pretty complete 23:23:43 So, the shirts is considered as swags? 23:23:49 Yes 23:23:55 Ok, thanks 23:23:56 alexove, yes. 23:24:21 today is the deadline, right? 23:24:31 Yes 23:24:38 deadline was a week ago 23:24:46 But extended until today 23:24:58 Kohane, it is not needed print the external side of the DVD 23:25:06 So I must do this about swag right now? 23:25:17 I think so 23:25:18 yes Kohane because tha, I'm asking 23:25:40 Tha? 23:25:57 OK. I'll do so after meeting 23:26:05 that* 23:26:06 Remember: this information is only estimations, it is not definitive. 23:26:43 But the suggestion is to budget more, to have the sufficient. 23:27:14 Do anyone got extra questions on this topic? 23:27:17 potty, please move to the next topic to let the people fill it 23:27:20 OK 23:27:29 Is there any country missing for filling? 23:27:42 6:23 PM Right now the only countries with info on the budget wiki are Peru, Venezuela, Colombia, Panama, Nicaragua, Bolivia, Uruguay, Brazil, Mexico 23:28:04 Right. 23:28:16 I'd say. 23:28:36 El Salvador, Argentina, Chile, Ecuador 23:28:41 correct 23:28:41 Are the missing countries 23:28:56 Do we have any representant of those countries in the meeting? 23:29:06 argentina no 23:29:28 no. potty 23:29:39 I think no. 23:29:40 echevemaster: potty I'm from Arg. 23:30:24 msx: are you able to fill the wiki with budget for Argentina? 23:30:25 However I'm more a contributor than a former ambassador 23:30:49 Don't sorry about that msx 23:30:51 potty: no I can't, sorry 23:30:53 It is a labor of Ambassadors, but surely you can help out your country 23:30:59 Well it is ok 23:31:02 Lets move on 23:31:46 ok. 23:31:47 #idea I will send the budget information to FAMSCo on next meeting, this Wednesday 23:31:59 Thats the finale deadline. 23:32:06 R|chy, o/ 23:32:15 Ok. 23:32:16 Lets move to the next topic. 23:32:18 msx: formal ambassador not former ambassador. Former means you were that in the past. 23:32:37 OK, perfect 23:32:44 Kohane: thanks! 23:32:45 #topic Budget.next Roles 23:33:05 Echevemaster, o/ 23:33:20 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Budget.next 23:33:25 What is roles? 23:33:31 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Budget.next 23:33:43 Please review the link 23:34:12 Will talk about the topic on 5 minutes 23:34:12 Okay 23:38:51 What is a cardholder? What does he or she does? 23:39:06 The three roles are Treasurer, Logistician, Storyteller. 23:39:30 The cardholder is the person with a Red Hat Visa. 23:39:46 Able to pay stuff in behalf of Red Hat. 23:39:59 It is a designated person. 23:40:05 Tatica its reading from my screen 23:40:07 Right now the CommOps decide that. 23:40:25 The former cardholder is Neville. 23:40:55 Hi tatica 23:41:01 Ah, yes, now I remember 23:41:10 Do you have any questions about the roles? 23:41:11 I sl 23:41:28 .FAS tatica 23:41:28 R|chy: gusthwolf 'Gustavo Adolfo Soto Marquez' - tatica 'Maria Gracia Leandro Lombardo' 23:41:43 No, it's quite clear what do they do 23:42:22 Ok. Lets make the following in order. 23:42:46 Do we have any candidates for Treasurer 23:43:15 The Regional Treasurer will be responsible for recording costs and disbursing funds 23:43:17 .fas lorddemon 23:43:20 lorfdemon: lorddemon 'Gonzalo Nina Mamani' 23:43:34 I propose to this role. 23:44:00 Hi. Sorry. I'm an Ambassador from Argentina but from my cellphone and I was AFK. I haven't read the whole chat. 23:44:10 Do anyone else propose to this role? 23:44:15 potty: who do you propose? 23:44:33 ! 23:44:39 I propose myself for this role 23:44:43 alexove: tell us 23:44:52 The treasurer is equivalent to cardholder? 23:44:57 No 23:44:58 Ah! Got it 23:45:01 It is not the same 23:45:17 Ok, so 23:45:28 hi guys 23:45:34 .fas tonet666p 23:45:34 tonet666p: tonet666p 'Tonet Pascualet Jallo Colquehuanca' 23:45:43 * tonet666p from Perú 23:45:50 Hi! 23:46:01 Again. Candidates for Treasurer: potty 23:46:06 The cardholder will a different person from treasurer? 23:46:14 * lorddemon saluda desde Bolivia 23:46:19 alexove: could be the scenario 23:46:39 alexove: it is valid to have the same person, but not neccesary 23:46:53 ! 23:46:56 .fas Richzendy 23:46:57 R|chy: richzendy 'Edwind Richzendy Contreras Soto' 23:47:22 alexove: according to the wiki -> Cardholders don't necessarily have to serve this role, but it would reduce the amount of hops between expense and report. 23:47:54 Who is the cardholder right now? 23:47:58 Ok 23:48:03 EOF 23:48:07 that is an important question 23:48:28 because neville is not anymore the cardholder 23:48:31 potty, 23:48:32 Kohane: no one right now. Neville was the latest. 23:48:41 And 23:48:45 Kohane: i will ask commops about this 23:48:55 Yes, good idea. 23:48:59 #action potty will ask commops about the CardHolder 23:49:41 #action potty will propose the budget to Famsco next meeting 23:49:54 Again. 23:50:15 Yes. Sorry. 23:50:21 Do we have extra candidates for Treasurer? 23:50:51 Right now potty is the only candidate 23:51:24 hola 23:51:26 It's alright to me if you're the treasurer 23:51:49 Kohane: it is not like that 23:51:53 Lets vote then 23:52:03 potty +1 23:52:12 potty, +1 23:52:14 potty +1 23:52:24 potty 23:52:30 +1 23:52:34 potty +1 23:52:39 potty +1 23:52:47 potty +1 23:52:48 Potty +1 23:52:51 potty, +1 23:53:04 #agreed potty will be the LATAM Treasurer 23:53:19 Now... Logistician 23:53:34 .fas jufrud777 23:53:34 Yes 23:53:35 jufrud777: jufrud777 'Juan Francisco Rubio' 23:53:44 The Logistician Delegate will be accountable for shipping swag, banners, and other physical items that need to be shared regionally, as well as any other coordinating for event staffing and organization. This includes convening weekly ambassador IRC meetings. 23:53:47 jufrud777 hi 23:54:07 As far I know itamar wants to have this role 23:54:11 who are the candidates in that role? 23:54:28 Candidates: itamarjp 23:54:36 Hola 23:54:36 * alexove Si no tenemos cuy magico, tenemos a potty :-D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3ToYTZtSCM 23:54:37 Anyone else? 23:54:41 brazil is good country for this? potty 23:54:52 Is 23:54:58 no, because of taxes 23:55:07 Peru too I think :-) 23:55:08 Mmm... 23:55:14 that is right. because of that I'm asking. 23:55:23 I understand 23:55:37 Here's isn't an issue to send, the problem comes, sometimes when you receive 23:55:48 I will propose myself for this role 23:55:51 Here, Uruguay 23:56:01 Colombia right now is not expensive for this. 23:56:14 itamarjp propse using Bitcoins 23:56:18 here you pay taxes to send and receive 23:56:37 echevemaster: +1 23:56:44 wolnei damn! 23:56:53 echevemaster +1 23:57:01 Right now we have two candidates 23:57:08 echevemaster: +1 23:57:10 I propose to check in our countries about the taxes and shipping facilities first 23:57:11 echevemaster and itamarjp 23:57:29 alexove, I agree. 23:57:29 Alexlove +1 23:57:48 lol 23:57:58 But people 23:58:01 You may understand 23:58:13 What? 23:58:28 We have more than a month waiting for candidates 23:58:32 Also 23:58:51 yes, that it is right 23:58:53 You may have candidates from a good country or a bad country 23:59:10 That stuff will be solved after electing the representant 23:59:16 So right now we have 23:59:20 correct 23:59:21 Itamarjp and echevemaster 23:59:31 Lets maintain the order 23:59:36 Yes 23:59:37 Lets vote 23:59:48 potty: This decision is important and the swags can be more expensive and dificult to send to other countries 00:00:00 alexove: every decision is important 00:00:04 En español por favor... Por cuanto tiempo es este cargo? 00:00:23 lorddemon: lo definimos hoy 00:00:30 Echevemaster +2 00:00:32 Ok 00:00:44 Are we voting? 00:00:50 Yes 00:00:56 Colombian import tariffs have been significantly reduced and simplified. There are four tariff levels: 5% for raw materials, and intermediate and capital goods not produced in Columbia; 10% and 15% for goods in the first category but with domestic production in Columbia; 20% for finished consumer goods; and 35% for automobiles, and other luxury items. The average tariff lies between 11% and 13.5%. The four-tariff system also acts 00:00:56 as the common external tariff for the Andean Community, which became effective for Columbia in 1995. The value-added tax is 16%, but automobiles sales taxes range from 16% to 60%. Legislation was being planned in 1999 to reduce the sales tax to 12%. 00:00:57 Read more: http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Americas/Colombia-CUSTOMS-AND-DUTIES.html#ixzz3wnLnfln6 00:01:02 Echevemaster +1 00:01:06 Vote 00:01:34 http://www.sunat.gob.pe/exportaFacil 00:01:55 Echevemaster that's way cheaper than here in Uruguay 00:02:08 "[20:58] (potty) You may have candidates from a good country or a bad country" What do you mean by that? 00:02:15 yes, Kohane 00:02:49 ok, we have 4 votes, anyone else? 00:02:52 Example: echevemaster has the intentions and he is in a good exporting country 00:02:59 echevemaster: todo acaba de subir los impuestos subieron mucho en Colombia, ademas tenemos 4x1000 00:03:13 Example: itamarjp has good intentions but in a bad exporting country 00:03:39 jufrud777, el 4x1000 aplica solo para las cuentas adicionales 00:03:43 I vote for itamarjp 00:04:09 Puedo proponerme aun? 00:04:13 puedes 00:04:13 o ya fue 00:04:15 alexove, 00:04:21 entonces me propongo ;-) 00:04:33 I vote for myself 00:04:35 Alexove +1 00:04:39 Thanks potty. If I may vote, what are we voting for? I was taking the bus. 00:04:40 * tonet666p claping! 00:04:51 alexlove +1 00:04:58 Hi 00:05:16 I'm getting confused! 😧 00:05:16 i would like but 00:05:38 So am I Kohane. 00:05:49 Igeek_88 lol 00:05:59 hahaha 00:06:26 i believe we need more information about the candidates country 00:06:34 * lorddemon think it is democracy clap clap 00:06:36 we need more time, for better decision 00:06:40 igeek_88 We're voting roles. But that's the only clear thing to me 00:06:41 (+4, Colombia, +2 Peru, +1 Brazil) 00:06:53 wolnei +1 00:07:02 wolnei +1 00:07:05 Mmm 00:07:12 You need time? 00:07:15 For what? 00:07:28 What are the candidates? 00:07:32 Which role are we voting? 00:07:45 Logistician 00:07:53 I don't need time. I need to see clear. It's all very confusing 00:07:59 wil be better more opinion on the list 00:08:42 Esta votacion tuvo que estar lista hace mucho tiempo. 00:08:52 wolnei +1 i think the same 00:08:53 No. We were going to vote today. Let's vote! 00:09:12 echevemaster eso mismo 00:09:26 People from LATAM 00:09:32 Do not procastinate things 00:09:35 Thats the problem 00:09:47 The elections should be done in 2015 00:09:49 lo dijiste bonito, yo diria, no perdamos el tiempo 00:09:53 A la persona que se escoja como Logistician, quisiera apoyarlo para aprender de el asi que cuente con mi apoyo durante este periodo. 00:10:01 yosef7: thats valid 00:10:25 The people elected will only represent the region but does not mean that is the only responsible 00:10:29 Others can help 00:10:32 +1 Colombia, but was quick read 00:10:39 Ok 00:10:53 #agreed echevemaster as Logistician 00:11:00 Could you remind me candidates and country? 00:11:08 thanks, I will do my best. 00:11:16 Congrats! 00:11:17 Itamar, Brasil. 00:11:20 igeek_88, Alex, Peru 00:11:26 echevemaster: Colombia 00:11:31 alexove: Peru 00:11:31 and Eduardo, Venezuela/Colombia 00:11:55 But the majority voted Eduardo (echevemaster) 00:12:17 Good 00:12:19 #info yosef7 will help echevemaster on his tasks 00:12:28 yes 00:12:58 people, I will retake the task of chair the meetings, in consequence 00:13:01 thanks yosef7 00:13:02 :) 00:13:03 Next role is StoryTeller 00:13:11 #chair echevemaster 00:13:11 Current chairs: echevemaster potty 00:13:33 potty: what is story teller? 00:13:37 The Storytelling Delegate will be accountable for Regional Reports. They don't necessarily have to write all the original content, they just need to be accountable for ensuring content makes it out onto our channels. 00:13:42 ty 00:13:48 Storyteller, that's something I can do. 00:13:58 As far I know williammoreno from Nicaragua wants to do this task 00:14:03 So we have two candidates 00:14:10 Kohane and william 00:14:15 Do we have any other candidate 00:14:20 +1 Kohane (the candidates, have a good domain of the english) 00:14:41 ! 00:14:46 No voting yet 00:14:50 go ahead 00:14:55 Do we have any other candidates 00:15:00 ? 00:15:14 Mo 00:15:20 Lets give 3 minutes for people to propose 00:15:26 potty: region = country? 00:15:27 I don't know what a storyteller does, but I'm pretty good at writing ans telling stories. 00:15:29 I'm from Argentina. Can I apply? I' m an ambassador. 00:15:38 igeek_88, yes 00:15:43 tonet666p: region LATAM 00:15:48 ok 00:15:48 igeek_88: yes 00:16:11