14:09:37 <cwickert> #startmeeting FAmSCo Meeting 2016-05-11
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14:09:37 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco_meeting_2016-05-11'
14:09:44 <cwickert> #meetingname famsco
14:09:44 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco'
14:09:53 <cwickert> chair potty mailga
14:10:07 <cwickert> #topic Roll call
14:10:13 <potty> .hello potty
14:10:14 <zodbot> potty: potty 'Abdel G. Martínez L.' <abdel.g.martinez.l@gmail.com>
14:10:17 <cwickert> .hello cwickert
14:10:18 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@gmail.com>
14:11:19 <cwickert> potty: I don't see anythiing from lbazan
14:11:29 <potty> he called me 20 minutes ago
14:11:33 <cwickert> ah
14:11:47 <potty> he would not be able to attend the meeting by the current schedule
14:12:28 <cwickert> #info gnokii, mailga and lbazan sent regrets that cannot make it. Nothing from giannisk and tuanta though.
14:13:11 <cwickert> #info lbazan will not be able to attend if we don't change our meeting time, so we might want to bring up this discussion again
14:13:52 <cwickert> potty: I suggest we have a quick meeting nevertheless. should be quick as it is just the two of us
14:14:00 <potty> cwickert: ok
14:14:01 <cwickert> potty: anything you want to discuss?
14:14:17 <cwickert> I have two things: One is FOSCo and the other is the budget
14:14:23 <potty> nothing in particular. I think the main issues are FOSCo transtiion and budget
14:14:32 <cwickert> haha, we agree ;)
14:14:33 <cwickert> #topic Budget
14:14:36 <potty> cwickert: yes :)
14:15:33 * cwickert diggs some numbers
14:15:39 <potty> cwickert: is this ticket #394?
14:16:30 <cwickert> nope
14:16:45 <potty> ok
14:17:03 <cwickert> the global budget is for premiere events, regional support is what FAmSCo is in charge of
14:17:18 <potty> ok
14:18:30 * cwickert is still digging up numbers
14:21:35 <cwickert> dammit, I cannot find it
14:21:49 <potty> what are you looking for?
14:21:53 <potty> maybe i can help
14:22:00 <cwickert> the budget scenario the council has agreed on
14:22:26 <cwickert> there are various scenarios at https://pagure.io/fedora-budget/blob/master/f/FY17/adjustedannualbudgets/council/scenarios.txt
14:22:49 <cwickert> but the one we agreed upon would only leave 60k for the regions
14:23:14 <cwickert> decause: where can I find the budget scenario the council has agreed to?
14:24:26 <decause> the repo, yes.
14:24:36 <decause> .hello decause
14:24:37 <zodbot> decause: decause 'Remy DeCausemaker' <decause@redhat.com>
14:24:43 <cwickert> decause: AFAIR we agreed on fF/hDI, which would leave 59500 to the regions, right?
14:25:47 <decause> the column all the way to the right in the spreadsheet
14:26:07 * cwickert looks
14:26:28 <decause> I thought it was 73500, if memory serves?
14:26:35 <cwickert> found it, thanks
14:27:46 <cwickert> #info The council decided that the regional support budget for FY17 is USD 74,500
14:27:55 <cwickert> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-budget/blob/master/f/FY17/adjustedannualbudgets/council/scenarios.txt
14:28:30 <cwickert> it's the hF/hDI sceanraio, means we do half of the FADS and half of the outreach projects we palaned to do
14:28:33 <cwickert> planned*
14:28:44 <decause> cwickert: https://pagure.io/fedora-budget/blob/master/f/FY17/adjustedannualbudgets/council/proposedadjustedbudgetfy17.ods
14:28:52 <decause> this is the most current, afaik
14:28:56 <decause> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-budget/blob/master/f/FY17/adjustedannualbudgets/council/proposedadjustedbudgetfy17.ods
14:29:40 * cwickert really wishes we can get rid if the different files and formats and have the numbers on https://budget.fedoraproject.org/ soon
14:30:14 <decause> cwickert: it'll all get reconciled soon, yes
14:30:29 <decause> as soon as we agree, I'll push the latest bits to budget.fp.o
14:30:30 <cwickert> #info mattdm made a propsal how to split the regional budget among the regions at https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/council-discuss@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/2RX7XD2G36MVW5Y6EVFDMDOTZLMWLHQB/
14:31:27 <cwickert> decause: we already agreed to a scenario, so the total regional support could go live already
14:32:13 <cwickert> #info the regional budget is now being discussed on council-discuss and in https://fedorahosted.org/council/ticket/58
14:32:35 <decause> cwickert: your vote was the last one we needed on the ticket, and if you agree, then we can update the council list for sure \o/
14:32:55 <cwickert> decause: what ticket are we talking about now?
14:33:37 <decause> #link https://fedorahosted.org/council/ticket/58
14:33:40 <cwickert> decause: AFAIR we ratified the scenarios 9 days ago.
14:33:56 <cwickert> decause: actually I'm the first to comment on that ticket, or am I mistaken?
14:34:08 <decause> cwickert: yeah, scenario fF/hDI was approved, yes, that was last week
14:34:10 <cwickert> ah, from the meeting, sorry
14:34:24 <decause> cwickert: you commented on #58 too
14:34:34 <decause> cwickert: and mattdm replied
14:34:52 <cwickert> potty: what is your take on the numbers given that LATAM receives less than you requested?
14:36:16 * potty is reviewing
14:36:20 <cwickert> decause: I'll respond to mattdm, but I first wanted to have some feedback from the region affected most, that is LATAM and that's why I wanted to talk to potty first
14:39:28 <potty> cwickert: help me out... how much is the received amount?
14:40:54 <cwickert> #info: proposed regional split: APAC $11500, EMEA: $21650, LATAM: $10950, NA: $29400
14:41:07 <cwickert> potty: see above
14:42:42 * potty is writing my comments
14:43:00 <cwickert> potty: at the top you see the last official numbers, the amount regions asked for and the amount they spent in the previous years.
14:43:15 <cwickert> we all got less than we requested, that's the same story every year
14:43:40 <cwickert> what concerns me though is that LATAM is the only region to get less than they actually spent last year.
14:44:10 <cwickert> I mean, the amount of money we can track, there was more spending we cannot track
14:44:49 <cwickert> even if it is just USD 50, I think no region should get less than they spent
14:45:12 <potty> I think this is a consequence of our budget mismanagement in the past. much budget requested and not used. It's a lesson learned. Now working together the Treasurer Delegate along with the Cardholder, I think it will improve our budget management.
14:46:07 <cwickert> potty: we all request much, spend less and get less, that's not the point
14:46:33 <cwickert> we know LATAP has spent *at least* $11.000
14:46:39 <cwickert> probably more but we cannot track the rest
14:47:08 <cwickert> and now LATAM is to get $10.950, that means slight less than the trackable spending
14:47:18 <cwickert> that is unfair I think
14:47:36 <potty> it is unfair, but what can we do?
14:47:49 <potty> I think just adjust our expenses to the allocated budget and be productive with that
14:47:50 <cwickert> speak up :)
14:48:39 <cwickert> potty: so are you basically ok with the numbers? I will see what I can do in the council, but I cannot promise anything
14:49:23 <potty> if you can help out with the numbers, we will be very glad because LATAM have good expectations this year and that's why we asked for that budget
14:49:45 <potty> if you can't help out, then we should work with the allocated number :(
14:50:23 <cwickert> ok, I will try to get you a bigger share, but it probably won't make a big difference, something around USD 500 or so
14:50:23 <potty> this is not a conformist response but a realistic one, LATAM needs to work more
14:50:36 <cwickert> ok, thanks for the feedback
14:50:37 <potty> cwickert: thank you
14:50:45 <cwickert> that's all then for budget
14:51:10 <potty> ok
14:51:24 <cwickert> #action cwickert to provide feedback on the budget distribution to the council and see if we can get a little more for LATAM.
14:52:00 <cwickert> #topic FOSCo
14:52:08 <cwickert> .fas 373
14:52:09 <zodbot> cwickert: sainisaini 'sachin' <kumarsachin3731@gmail.com> - sachinsina 'sachin' <kumarsachin3730@gmail.com> - sachinsaini 'sachin' <kumarsachin3736@gmail.com> - manuelnic 'Juan Manuel Aguilar' <jmanuel150373@gmail.com> - mbwpony 'bingwen ma' <523731711@qq.com> - jainendra 'jainendra singh' <jainendra7373@gmail.com> - amir1373 '' <amirsoft.1373@gmail.com> - qianjun95 'qianjun95' <373838688@qq.com> - a373111032 'Dong (2 more messages)
14:52:13 <cwickert> dammit
14:52:17 <cwickert> .famsco 373
14:52:17 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/373
14:52:45 <cwickert> no news here, nobody commented on the ticket
14:53:11 <cwickert> #info No news on FOSCo as none of the FAmSCo members bothered to comment on #373 :(
14:53:49 <cwickert> gnokii wrote something about it in his mail, and I still have my old proposal
14:54:04 <cwickert> #action cwickert to add his old proposal to #373
14:54:30 <cwickert> potty: I think this is really sad that we don't get anything done
14:54:43 <potty> you still got two weeks, right?
14:54:48 <cwickert> s/don't get anything done/hardly get something done
14:54:49 <potty> btw sorry for not attending that ticket
14:55:08 <potty> i will update it with my intakes
14:55:45 <cwickert> potty: yes, still 2 weeks until I have to give my presentation for the council
14:55:58 <cwickert> but in general. I think we just need to speed things up
14:56:04 <potty> Indeed
14:56:11 <cwickert> meeting attendance, mails on the list, tickets, everything
14:56:41 <potty> this latest meetings got low attendance
14:56:51 <potty> people are busy
14:57:24 <cwickert> potty: I am tired of nagging people and as I have been unresponsive earlier, I'm probably not in the position to complain. Can you please write a nagging mail to the list and remind all of us we need to get our shit done(tm)?
14:57:38 <potty> cwickert: ok
14:57:42 <cwickert> something that is both nagging people and motivational :)
14:57:43 <potty> make it an action
14:58:21 <cwickert> #action potty to send a general wake-up call to famsco list. All of us need to become more active.
14:58:26 <cwickert> thanks potty
14:58:36 <cwickert> that's it from me then
14:58:39 <cwickert> anything else?
14:58:40 <potty> all from mee too
14:58:44 <potty> s/mee/me
14:58:46 <cwickert> ok, thanks
14:58:55 <cwickert> then we just end the meeting in less than 1h
14:58:57 <potty> thank you very much cwickert for been active
14:59:04 <cwickert> if only all meetings were that short :)
14:59:24 <potty> hopefully
14:59:36 <cwickert> we need work throughout the week and be prepared for the meetings, otherwise we just waste people's time
14:59:54 <cwickert> sorry for digging numbers at the beginning of this week btw
14:59:58 <cwickert> anyway....
15:00:00 <cwickert> #endmeeting