14:09:37 #startmeeting FAmSCo Meeting 2016-05-11 14:09:37 Meeting started Wed May 11 14:09:37 2016 UTC. The chair is cwickert. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:09:37 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:09:37 The meeting name has been set to 'famsco_meeting_2016-05-11' 14:09:44 #meetingname famsco 14:09:44 The meeting name has been set to 'famsco' 14:09:53 chair potty mailga 14:10:07 #topic Roll call 14:10:13 .hello potty 14:10:14 potty: potty 'Abdel G. Martínez L.' 14:10:17 .hello cwickert 14:10:18 cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' 14:11:19 potty: I don't see anythiing from lbazan 14:11:29 he called me 20 minutes ago 14:11:33 ah 14:11:47 he would not be able to attend the meeting by the current schedule 14:12:28 #info gnokii, mailga and lbazan sent regrets that cannot make it. Nothing from giannisk and tuanta though. 14:13:11 #info lbazan will not be able to attend if we don't change our meeting time, so we might want to bring up this discussion again 14:13:52 potty: I suggest we have a quick meeting nevertheless. should be quick as it is just the two of us 14:14:00 cwickert: ok 14:14:01 potty: anything you want to discuss? 14:14:17 I have two things: One is FOSCo and the other is the budget 14:14:23 nothing in particular. I think the main issues are FOSCo transtiion and budget 14:14:32 haha, we agree ;) 14:14:33 #topic Budget 14:14:36 cwickert: yes :) 14:15:33 * cwickert diggs some numbers 14:15:39 cwickert: is this ticket #394? 14:16:30 nope 14:16:45 ok 14:17:03 the global budget is for premiere events, regional support is what FAmSCo is in charge of 14:17:18 ok 14:18:30 * cwickert is still digging up numbers 14:21:35 dammit, I cannot find it 14:21:49 what are you looking for? 14:21:53 maybe i can help 14:22:00 the budget scenario the council has agreed on 14:22:26 there are various scenarios at https://pagure.io/fedora-budget/blob/master/f/FY17/adjustedannualbudgets/council/scenarios.txt 14:22:49 but the one we agreed upon would only leave 60k for the regions 14:23:14 decause: where can I find the budget scenario the council has agreed to? 14:24:26 the repo, yes. 14:24:36 .hello decause 14:24:37 decause: decause 'Remy DeCausemaker' 14:24:43 decause: AFAIR we agreed on fF/hDI, which would leave 59500 to the regions, right? 14:25:47 the column all the way to the right in the spreadsheet 14:26:07 * cwickert looks 14:26:28 I thought it was 73500, if memory serves? 14:26:35 found it, thanks 14:27:46 #info The council decided that the regional support budget for FY17 is USD 74,500 14:27:55 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-budget/blob/master/f/FY17/adjustedannualbudgets/council/scenarios.txt 14:28:30 it's the hF/hDI sceanraio, means we do half of the FADS and half of the outreach projects we palaned to do 14:28:33 planned* 14:28:44 cwickert: https://pagure.io/fedora-budget/blob/master/f/FY17/adjustedannualbudgets/council/proposedadjustedbudgetfy17.ods 14:28:52 this is the most current, afaik 14:28:56 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-budget/blob/master/f/FY17/adjustedannualbudgets/council/proposedadjustedbudgetfy17.ods 14:29:40 * cwickert really wishes we can get rid if the different files and formats and have the numbers on https://budget.fedoraproject.org/ soon 14:30:14 cwickert: it'll all get reconciled soon, yes 14:30:29 as soon as we agree, I'll push the latest bits to budget.fp.o 14:30:30 #info mattdm made a propsal how to split the regional budget among the regions at https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/council-discuss@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/2RX7XD2G36MVW5Y6EVFDMDOTZLMWLHQB/ 14:31:27 decause: we already agreed to a scenario, so the total regional support could go live already 14:32:13 #info the regional budget is now being discussed on council-discuss and in https://fedorahosted.org/council/ticket/58 14:32:35 cwickert: your vote was the last one we needed on the ticket, and if you agree, then we can update the council list for sure \o/ 14:32:55 decause: what ticket are we talking about now? 14:33:37 #link https://fedorahosted.org/council/ticket/58 14:33:40 decause: AFAIR we ratified the scenarios 9 days ago. 14:33:56 decause: actually I'm the first to comment on that ticket, or am I mistaken? 14:34:08 cwickert: yeah, scenario fF/hDI was approved, yes, that was last week 14:34:10 ah, from the meeting, sorry 14:34:24 cwickert: you commented on #58 too 14:34:34 cwickert: and mattdm replied 14:34:52 potty: what is your take on the numbers given that LATAM receives less than you requested? 14:36:16 * potty is reviewing 14:36:20 decause: I'll respond to mattdm, but I first wanted to have some feedback from the region affected most, that is LATAM and that's why I wanted to talk to potty first 14:39:28 cwickert: help me out... how much is the received amount? 14:40:54 #info: proposed regional split: APAC $11500, EMEA: $21650, LATAM: $10950, NA: $29400 14:41:07 potty: see above 14:42:42 * potty is writing my comments 14:43:00 potty: at the top you see the last official numbers, the amount regions asked for and the amount they spent in the previous years. 14:43:15 we all got less than we requested, that's the same story every year 14:43:40 what concerns me though is that LATAM is the only region to get less than they actually spent last year. 14:44:10 I mean, the amount of money we can track, there was more spending we cannot track 14:44:49 even if it is just USD 50, I think no region should get less than they spent 14:45:12 I think this is a consequence of our budget mismanagement in the past. much budget requested and not used. It's a lesson learned. Now working together the Treasurer Delegate along with the Cardholder, I think it will improve our budget management. 14:46:07 potty: we all request much, spend less and get less, that's not the point 14:46:33 we know LATAP has spent *at least* $11.000 14:46:39 probably more but we cannot track the rest 14:47:08 and now LATAM is to get $10.950, that means slight less than the trackable spending 14:47:18 that is unfair I think 14:47:36 it is unfair, but what can we do? 14:47:49 I think just adjust our expenses to the allocated budget and be productive with that 14:47:50 speak up :) 14:48:39 potty: so are you basically ok with the numbers? I will see what I can do in the council, but I cannot promise anything 14:49:23 if you can help out with the numbers, we will be very glad because LATAM have good expectations this year and that's why we asked for that budget 14:49:45 if you can't help out, then we should work with the allocated number :( 14:50:23 ok, I will try to get you a bigger share, but it probably won't make a big difference, something around USD 500 or so 14:50:23 this is not a conformist response but a realistic one, LATAM needs to work more 14:50:36 ok, thanks for the feedback 14:50:37 cwickert: thank you 14:50:45 that's all then for budget 14:51:10 ok 14:51:24 #action cwickert to provide feedback on the budget distribution to the council and see if we can get a little more for LATAM. 14:52:00 #topic FOSCo 14:52:08 .fas 373 14:52:09 cwickert: sainisaini 'sachin' - sachinsina 'sachin' - sachinsaini 'sachin' - manuelnic 'Juan Manuel Aguilar' - mbwpony 'bingwen ma' <523731711@qq.com> - jainendra 'jainendra singh' - amir1373 '' - qianjun95 'qianjun95' <373838688@qq.com> - a373111032 'Dong (2 more messages) 14:52:13 dammit 14:52:17 .famsco 373 14:52:17 https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/373 14:52:45 no news here, nobody commented on the ticket 14:53:11 #info No news on FOSCo as none of the FAmSCo members bothered to comment on #373 :( 14:53:49 gnokii wrote something about it in his mail, and I still have my old proposal 14:54:04 #action cwickert to add his old proposal to #373 14:54:30 potty: I think this is really sad that we don't get anything done 14:54:43 you still got two weeks, right? 14:54:48 s/don't get anything done/hardly get something done 14:54:49 btw sorry for not attending that ticket 14:55:08 i will update it with my intakes 14:55:45 potty: yes, still 2 weeks until I have to give my presentation for the council 14:55:58 but in general. I think we just need to speed things up 14:56:04 Indeed 14:56:11 meeting attendance, mails on the list, tickets, everything 14:56:41 this latest meetings got low attendance 14:56:51 people are busy 14:57:24 potty: I am tired of nagging people and as I have been unresponsive earlier, I'm probably not in the position to complain. Can you please write a nagging mail to the list and remind all of us we need to get our shit done(tm)? 14:57:38 cwickert: ok 14:57:42 something that is both nagging people and motivational :) 14:57:43 make it an action 14:58:21 #action potty to send a general wake-up call to famsco list. All of us need to become more active. 14:58:26 thanks potty 14:58:36 that's it from me then 14:58:39 anything else? 14:58:40 all from mee too 14:58:44 s/mee/me 14:58:46 ok, thanks 14:58:55 then we just end the meeting in less than 1h 14:58:57 thank you very much cwickert for been active 14:59:04 if only all meetings were that short :) 14:59:24 hopefully 14:59:36 we need work throughout the week and be prepared for the meetings, otherwise we just waste people's time 14:59:54 sorry for digging numbers at the beginning of this week btw 14:59:58 anyway.... 15:00:00 #endmeeting