22:59:08 #startmeeting Ambassadors Latam meeting 22:59:08 Meeting started Sat May 14 22:59:08 2016 UTC. The chair is echevemaster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 22:59:08 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 22:59:08 The meeting name has been set to 'ambassadors_latam_meeting' 22:59:16 #topic Roll Call 22:59:26 .fas echevemaster 22:59:28 echevemaster: echevemaster 'Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado' 22:59:34 .fas itamarjp 22:59:34 itamarjp: itamarjp 'Itamar Reis Peixoto' 22:59:44 * echevemaster Venezuela, Colombia 22:59:58 * itamarjp Brazil-free-of-dil-má. 23:01:19 hehehe 23:01:37 jmlaya: Roll Call 23:02:01 first use .fas jmlaya 23:02:10 .fas jmlaya 23:02:11 jmlaya: jmlaya 'Jose Laya' 23:02:18 and after that, /me and your country. 23:02:20 .fas srkraken 23:02:21 srkraken: srkraken 'Efren Antonio Robledo Moreno' 23:02:31 thanks /me Venezuela, Colombia 23:02:32 * srkraken from Mexico 23:02:39 * jmlaya Venezuela, Colombia 23:03:00 waiting for more people to start 23:03:01 ./fas villadalmine 23:03:11 .fas villadalmine 23:03:12 dalmine: villadalmine 'Rino Rondan' 23:03:25 dalmine: it is not a sh command, hehehe 23:03:37 * dalmine Argentina, Chile 23:03:39 jajaaj 23:04:55 * srkraken buenas tardes 23:05:10 I'm still here? 23:05:48 hello :) 23:05:53 .fas ribeiro 23:05:54 athos: everlin 'Everlin Ribeiro' - davydvinicius 'Davyd Vinicius Gonçalves Ribeiro' - sanmendes16 'Sander Mendes' - robsonrsilva 'Robson Ribeiro' - vilmar 'Vilmar Pereira Ribeiro Filho' - raulhigino 'Raul Higino Ribeiro Silva' - crpcris1 'Cristian Ribeiro Paines' (6 more messages) 23:06:00 ok, who wants a chair? 23:07:54 I saw a topic in the list, anyone remember? 23:08:40 about new budget ? 23:08:48 yeah. 23:09:00 .fas x3mboy 23:09:02 x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' 23:10:03 potty I summon you 23:10:21 .fas athoscribeiro 23:10:22 athos: ribeiro 'Athos Ribeiro' 23:10:29 better :) 23:10:46 athos: are you new on the team? 23:11:12 #topic Funding request for Chino Soliard (Asoliard) to assist AndSec 23:11:23 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-latam/ticket/348 23:12:10 I saw on the Telegran Chanell, chino won't be able to join us today 23:12:28 echevemaster, athos is a packager from Brazil. 23:12:33 so, please read the ticket and give us your comments. 23:12:45 welcome aboard athos. 23:12:50 :thumbsup 23:12:59 athos: :) 23:13:16 i talked with hi 23:13:18 about 5min 23:13:22 internet is not working 23:13:26 .fas wolnei 23:13:27 wolnei: wolnei 'Wolnei Cândido Tomazelli Junior' 23:13:31 or not very well 23:13:42 yeah, I saw their message dalmine 23:13:56 but please vote it, he need it :/ 23:13:59 please, read the ticket. 23:14:30 ok i read :) 23:15:48 after this ticket we'll talk about our budget. 23:16:01 i have another 333 :( 23:16:41 ok dalmine 23:17:15 anyone have comments about the ticket? 23:18:25 USD $149, sounds reasonable. 23:18:32 from me +1 23:19:22 +1 23:19:26 +1 23:19:27 dalmine: jmlaya x3mboy athos srkraken ? 23:19:34 +1 23:19:35 +1 23:19:41 +1 23:19:48 +1 23:19:52 +1 23:20:06 #agreed ticket 348 23:20:13 ok next ticket? 23:20:14 Question, shouldn't he describe what he will be doing in the event? 23:20:58 another question, who is the guy that are asking for $ and it's not attending this meeting ? 23:21:02 he described => As you can see on the event's page [0], Fedora Project is a supporting community of the event, and we want to put a stand, and give some flashtalks. (SELinux in Fedora, Security Labs spin, and more if it's possible) 23:21:36 hi 23:21:48 .fas josereyesjdi 23:21:51 yosef7: josereyesjdi 'Jose Reyes' 23:21:55 bad conection 23:22:00 ok chinosoliard go ahead, athos is asking about what you will do at the event 23:22:03 .fas chinosoliard 23:22:03 chinosoliard: asoliard 'Soliard, Adrian D.' 23:22:09 so, explain us, please. 23:22:43 right 23:22:47 I'm seeing your description, but may better that you explain us. 23:23:04 if you want in Spanish 23:23:13 Ok 23:23:30 AndSec es una conferencia bastante linda, ésta es la 4ta vez que se realiza 23:23:53 itamarjp: you know him 23:24:17 no worries dalmine itamarjp sometimes don't remember me (just kidding) 23:24:44 hasta hace unos días, rino no sabía si podía asistir, pero el organizador puso a Fedora Project como comunidad colaboradora 23:25:01 .fas williamjmorenor 23:25:02 williamjmorenor: williamjmorenor 'William Moreno' 23:25:07 Hola 23:25:17 ok, chinosoliard thanks, already approved. but we wanted a better explanation. 23:25:26 * srkraken Hola williamjmorenor 23:25:40 Desgraciadamente no llegué a presentar nada en el CFP, pero tampoco soy un experto en seguridad informática, así que vamos a dar charlas sobre SELinux, Security Labs, y otras cosas si se da. 23:25:57 williamjmorenor: please contact to jmlaya in private, he wants help you with the new blog 23:26:03 Tenemos la posibilidad de poner stand, que suma mucho en un evento de seguridad 23:26:26 jmlaya: /query chinosoliard 23:26:30 vamos a dar un taller, yo me vengo de chile y me pago todo el costo 23:26:31 Copiado echevemaster 23:26:32 wrong 23:26:34 Creo que SELinux es algo que Fedora impulsa mucho, so, que mejor que insistir por ese lado 23:26:37 jmlaya: /query williamjmorenor 23:27:00 asi tenemos stand y damos un taller y nos conocen ya que nos vienen buscando para que estemos 23:27:02 thanks dalmine :) 23:27:04 * chinosoliard está contento porque encontró el lugar justo para que el celular conecte bien 23:27:04 thanks echevemaster 23:27:12 dalmine: what's your tickt? 23:27:46 echevemaster, estoy viendo si consigo un hotel más cercano, que tiene el mismo precio, aparentemente 23:27:58 333 23:27:58 hola! 23:28:08 https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-latam/ticket/333 23:28:13 ok chinosoliard USD 149, right 23:29:01 #topic Funding Request for FISL Buenos Aires - Porto Alegre 23:29:10 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-latam/ticket/333 23:29:38 this one was discussed before, but dalmine is asking a extra sponsoring 23:30:20 he needs USD 100 extra, because its travel is not by bus anymore. 23:30:51 so, read the ticket and vote. 23:31:09 I need an extra too , because I would like to change my flight to first class 23:31:32 yes, finally i used another method 23:31:44 ohh you are awesome come with me! 23:31:57 i have an extra place 23:32:40 itamar: stop sarcasm, if you disagree, please -1 23:32:49 +1 23:33:40 yes please do real comment it is to difficutl read sarcasm in aother language 23:33:44 Well, itamarjp and some other guys received me very well when I looked for some Fedora people asking for help last year during FISL 23:34:25 -1 tickets for fisl already voted, 23:34:32 i just only to add, if you another people need found cancel all my found in the ticket and give 100% found that you give me to itamarjp 23:34:44 i prefer money to new people like itamarjp 23:35:01 friend of him i said 23:35:09 we need to s ponsor new people 23:35:15 i have sponsored several ti me 23:35:39 please i want to cancel my ticket and give to people that itamarjp have 23:35:58 ok, if you want cancel your travel, who do you prefer give your own opoortunity? 23:36:12 ??? 23:36:12 no i paid it from myself 23:36:22 fisl17 and adnsec with itamar 23:36:35 fisl17 with you guys 23:36:40 andsec with ch ino 23:36:46 hola 23:36:51 i prefer use money for new people 23:36:58 thats all. no more to said 23:37:06 Eso es bueno 23:37:08 hello people sorry for being late 23:37:14 ok, from me +1 23:37:16 was sleeping my baby 23:37:29 potty: thanks for attend bro, next ticket is yours 23:37:34 potty ++ 23:37:40 please vote the ticket for dalmine 23:37:41 :) 23:37:55 I am +1 23:37:57 why is not using bus? 23:38:11 remember we are short on budget 23:38:26 i do not want anymore 23:38:35 please delete ticket and use it for new peopel from brazil 23:38:39 So I am -1 23:38:48 :) 23:38:48 sure dalmine ? 23:38:50 im in chile 23:39:03 that is very generous movement 23:39:05 chile . bs .as colonia - montevideo porto alegre 23:39:10 -1 then 23:39:18 so i wanted only montevideo porto alegre 23:39:21 but forget all 23:39:27 i was sponsored several time 23:39:35 and i said thanks!! 23:39:42 I'm really confused 23:39:46 so it is time to give opportunity to new people 23:39:54 ok people, one thing, these kinds of issues, causes conflict. 23:40:11 to make this clear: dalmine is declining his ticket to make new brazilians contributors able to participate 23:40:17 so this ticket is -1 23:40:19 please use it to sponsor new people thats all 23:40:30 yes potty that is 23:40:34 Ok, being that said, -1 23:40:38 -1 23:40:52 ok. got it. 23:40:55 :) 23:41:06 respect dalmine 23:41:06 I will be neutral with this one. 23:41:08 as I understand, dalmine is not asking for a full airplane travel... 23:41:33 yes. chinosoliard but if is his decision, go ahead. 23:42:19 guys declined ticket use our budget for other ticket thats all 23:42:24 these kind of issues causes conflicts, and a many times, this cause that the contributor goes away 23:42:37 but for now, we will respect his decision 23:42:39 next toic 23:42:42 Personally, I justified the ticket, but well... dalmine decide 23:42:48 #topic Latam Budget 23:42:55 thank you echevemaster 23:43:00 chair me please 23:43:10 i'm an old man tired of being standed-up 23:43:24 no please, be standing 23:43:36 #chair potty 23:43:37 Current chairs: echevemaster potty 23:43:37 :( ok 23:43:42 thank you echevemaster 23:43:59 Council is in the process of approving budget. 23:44:34 #info LATAM have beena signed with $10950 for the whole FY17 23:44:51 #info LATAM asked for $23180 for the whole FY17 23:45:27 4kU$S is a big difference 23:45:39 #info Christoph Wickert is appealing to the Council to approve us $1000 more, making a total of $11950 23:46:00 potty, do you know how much money we have used last year ? 23:46:06 The difference is $12,230. 23:46:16 obviously this is caused for the lack of execution of the complete budget 23:46:28 #info tatica is appealing to the Council to approve us more budget. 23:46:55 #info I communicate to the Council that we have a lesson learned here. We underspent what we overasked. 23:47:30 Last year, for me, was very difficult, and this one is being too, but I think next month I will get more involved (when I finish building, and get an internet connection) 23:47:30 So the cut is a good thing, looking at the big picture, no? 23:47:43 So, to have more budget on next FY, we have to spent what we ask for and organize/participate on more important local events. 23:47:55 The cut is a natural response for the situation we had. 23:48:00 The cut was made in general, for all regions 23:48:26 tatica mentioned that the main problem in LATAM is the reimbursement... It is difficult for many countries. 23:48:58 #link http://pagure.io/fedora-budget 23:49:09 #link https://budget.fedoraproject.org 23:50:30 potty: ? 23:50:33 EOF? 23:50:36 not yet 23:50:40 ok 23:50:41 The action plan is 23:50:43 potty, reimbursements are taking alot of time 23:50:55 itamarjp: give me a minute 23:50:56 paypal reimbursements are expensive (paypal fees) 23:51:18 * srkraken itamarjp +1 23:51:19 for latam, I think we should try bitcoins 23:51:29 1. Participate on the events we mentioned in the budget. 23:51:37 2. Create our reports 23:51:52 itamarjp: bitcoin is dead.. manye coutnries do not use it 23:52:03 3. Upload the receipts for the expenses (clear pictures) with the specific detail 23:52:08 please stop the noise 23:52:11 dalmine, you said thats dead based on what ? 23:52:28 dalmine, you don't know about you're talking for. 23:52:28 4. Be on time, re-imbursement will be done but please upload things on time 23:52:34 i can not use it in market, taxes normal life 23:52:47 dalmine: itamarjp please. 23:53:03 These 4 things are the most important from the contributor point-of-view 23:53:18 In an administrative (council, famsco) point-of-view 23:53:33 LATAM should make a campaign (me, lbazan, tatica can make the proposal) 23:53:42 Of having better reimbursements channels 23:53:58 1. Paypal is not as fully wonderful as they think 23:54:07 2. Bitcoins are a viable option for some countries 23:54:24 3. 23:55:04 Resuming... Please participate on events you mentioned in budget, be serious with the LATAM Trac, upload receipts, make reports and PLEASE be patient on re-imbursement 23:55:06 EOF 23:55:20 Info? 23:55:22 Any commets, guys? 23:55:33 comments* 23:55:44 dalmine: itamarjp go ahead now 23:55:51 argentina is not good example oto use paypal or bitcoins 23:55:52 Remenber to send a report of your events 23:55:54 I think bitcoins is not a better option than paypal 23:56:04 * srkraken yo estoy deacuerdo con la propuesta de potty 23:56:10 even when paypal maybe is not wonderful 23:56:11 potty, there is a big difference between Panamá and Arg, for example... Dolar here change price every day... If reimbursement comes lates, I lose money 23:56:21 Current guidelines say than you send a report to the planet 23:56:21 if i put my money i want to get it back in my pocket not in virtual way 23:56:33 please ask at least $12.000 usd, this means $1000 usd per month 23:56:34 but i know that argentina it is very difficutl and very special cas 23:56:37 * potty wants to know each country specific situation... To make a better proposal... 23:56:50 Will be my job keep track than people send reports in time 23:57:05 lack of time on reimbursements is because the lack of reports and upload receipts 23:57:30 echevemaster: +1 FULLY TRUE 23:57:42 In Nicaragua most of the time Neville can pay in place 23:57:59 echevemaster ++ 23:58:00 so, we have to improve the way of we do the paperwork. 23:58:03 In Panama Alejandro is the reimbursement gateway 23:58:36 I do not know chile, but one time i recieved my money back in event ramilton change from paypal and give me money 23:58:36 when I was in Venezuela, I was reimbursed always in time 23:58:49 maybe someone of other country can do it in the event 23:59:36 so, please when you do an event, upload your receipts, and I'm sure you will be reimbursed always on time 00:00:11 The situation about losing money can work backwards too 00:00:24 and please DO NOT cut the possibility of the people to attend to a event 00:00:27 So i don't think that should be a problem 00:00:45 I have a question o/ 00:00:46 can't a card holder make the reimbursments during the events? 00:00:47 Some ideas: 1. Cardholder per country (very complex, not feasible but an option) 2. Bitcoins (mediumly complex, not applicable in all countries) 3. Paypal (currently used, not working on many countries) 00:00:57 x3mboy: go ahead 00:01:28 potty: an USA account could be solve the problem? 00:01:41 If i attend an event on my own (without sponsorship), i still can use the fedora team name, brands, logo and everything??? 00:01:42 echevemaster: please explain your idea 00:01:43 if some country cand use bitcoins or paypal can extract and give money in the event 00:02:27 potty, I might have another suggestion 00:02:31 https://www.quora.com/How-does-TransferWise-compare-to-PayPal-and-other-money-transfer-services 00:02:32 example for wired transactions 00:02:51 xmrbrz: go ahead after echevemaster 00:02:52 Yes xmrbrz 00:02:54 x3mboy: yes you can 00:03:30 go ahead xmrbrz I can explain after this 00:04:03 ok, I was just searching for another option to transfer money and I found this TransferWise 00:04:15 seems better than paypal because of the fees 00:04:27 especially, just to consider 00:05:12 there are a lot of transfer services, but should be one that Redhat be willing to use, 00:05:21 not sure if is better or not, personally I never use this service. 00:05:39 Payoneer cards???? 00:05:41 for example my question is, if I have an USA account, I can be reimbursed there? 00:05:42 every idea is welcomed... just throw them 00:05:52 x3mboy: i just tought of that too 00:06:26 x3mboy: that is actually having a card holder per country but is not direct related to red hat 00:06:31 they can just deposit there 00:06:38 and people per country can use them 00:06:48 In fact a country could have more than one 00:06:52 dalmine, https://www.satoshitango.com/home is one of the biggest bitcoins exchanges in the world from argentina and you're saying that bitcoin is dead 00:07:10 I think maybe some country can have problems, but is a good idea to take into account 00:07:40 yes itamarjp 00:07:46 For those who don't know about Payoneer... It is a pre-paid Master Card which have the account on the US, but you have the plastic in your country. 00:07:48 i want my money in my hand 00:07:49 echevemaster: but how would everybody get an account in the US? Also, the person being reimbursed would have to pay for the costs of transfering the money for his/her own contry.... 00:07:55 no doing a lot of trickies things 00:07:57 to get money 00:08:04 my salary is in pesos no bitcoins 00:08:05 dalmine: true fact but still a good proposal 00:08:16 my taxes is pesos not bitcoins 00:08:34 dalmine, just ask satoshitango to transfer to your bank account. 00:08:35 so where bitcoins is?? which country use bitoins to use as money? 00:08:38 Payoneer can make you use it at the ATM, but on the report you have to include the taxes for the withdraw 00:08:50 but itamarjp Argentina is not an example 00:08:57 in other places bitcoins rules 00:09:23 ok, please make a list of services and send to the list. 00:09:24 and this is the reason why i apply bitcoins because other contry do not have limitation for banks transaction 00:09:27 agree? 00:09:48 payoneer is good option too 00:10:02 +1 00:10:10 +1 00:10:13 but i'm very positive with the payoneer option 00:10:28 actually my wife just mentioned that option to me too 00:10:35 A wiki page with info about the best wau can help 00:10:45 someone link payoneer with paypal 00:10:52 if you are from argentina you can no 00:10:54 potty: only one thing, payoneer card, it takes much time to arrive some countries 00:11:12 If you send the info i can help witj the wiki 00:11:40 we can try it... I got a Payoneer card 00:11:52 i have one too 00:11:52 And I may receive the reimbursement there and see if it is feasible 00:12:31 what do you think 00:12:34 me too, if someone needs a wired transaction 00:12:39 sounds good 00:12:42 dalmine, list of banks supported by satoshitango https://paste.fedoraproject.org/366619/71090146/raw/ 00:13:02 itamarjp: i like bitcoins but in argentina you can not use to live 00:13:05 so the three proposals are 00:13:10 1. Bitcoins 00:13:12 2. Payoneer 00:13:25 3. Red Hat Credit Card Holder per country (not feasible) 00:13:30 4. Paypal 00:13:34 5. Other services 00:13:56 well, seems we have a plan. 00:14:08 Looks good 00:14:11 give ideas if you have one, and add to the wiki page. 00:14:26 +1 00:14:28 #action potty to create a wiki page for the new reimbursement proposals 00:14:39 or... do we have one wiki page? 00:14:43 itamarjp:i never see that an employer pay you bitcoins or recieve in those banks 00:14:49 * srkraken +1 00:14:54 +1 00:15:12 you do not understand the situation of argentina it is very different that said web pages 00:15:12 Just one more idea about the Payoneer thing 00:15:14 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/LATAM/Reimbursement 00:15:20 Thank you echevemaster 00:15:23 #unndo 00:15:24 #undo 00:15:24 Removing item from minutes: 00:15:36 #action potty to add the proposals on the wiki page 00:15:50 ok. 00:16:07 Just one more idea on the Payoneer thing 00:16:35 to end the meeting: thanks for attend. 00:16:39 Maybe the countries were is difficult to receive the plastic, you can send it to a country where is easy to receive 00:16:59 great potty :) 00:17:01 and on FUDCon, a person from the other country 00:17:08 can take the card to the person 00:17:20 so each and every country can have a Payoneer plastic 00:17:39 please, guys ask for the payoneer plastic 00:17:43 eof 00:17:57 I'll close this one. thanks for attend 00:17:59 5 00:18:01 4 00:18:03 3 00:18:05 2 00:18:07 1 00:18:09 #endmeeting