14:03:14 <cwickert> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2016.05-18
14:03:14 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed May 18 14:03:14 2016 UTC.  The chair is cwickert. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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14:03:14 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco_2016.05-18'
14:03:19 <cwickert> thanks coremodule
14:03:25 <coremodule> cwickert, np
14:03:27 <cwickert> #meetingname famsco
14:03:27 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco'
14:03:29 <tuanta> .fas tuanta
14:03:30 <zodbot> tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com>
14:03:36 <cwickert> #chair potty, mailga, giannisk, gnokii, tuanta, lbazan: meeting time
14:03:36 <zodbot> Current chairs: cwickert giannisk gnokii lbazan: mailga meeting potty time tuanta
14:03:42 <cwickert> dammit ;)
14:03:48 <cwickert> #undo
14:03:54 <cwickert> #chair potty, mailga, giannisk, gnokii, tuanta, lbazan
14:03:54 <zodbot> Current chairs: cwickert giannisk gnokii lbazan lbazan: mailga meeting potty time tuanta
14:04:12 <gnokii> time?
14:04:27 <cwickert> gnokii: copy and paste from the previous message
14:04:31 <decause> .hello decause
14:04:32 <zodbot> decause: decause 'Remy DeCausemaker' <decause@redhat.com>
14:04:58 <cwickert> #topic Roll call
14:05:04 <cwickert> .hello cwickert
14:05:05 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@gmail.com>
14:05:52 <gnokii> .fas gnokii
14:05:53 <zodbot> gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de>
14:07:43 <cwickert> anybody else?
14:08:03 <cwickert> potty: do you want to lead the meeting?
14:08:18 <cwickert> and does anybody have something they want to discuss in particular?
14:08:22 <potty> not today cwickert
14:08:39 <potty> .hello potty
14:08:39 <potty> Sorry :(
14:08:40 <zodbot> potty: potty 'Abdel G. Martínez L.' <abdel.g.martinez.l@gmail.com>
14:08:43 <cwickert> :)
14:09:12 <cwickert> #info we have a quorum, 4/7 members are present
14:09:24 <cwickert> ok, any suggestions for the agenda?
14:09:46 <cwickert> otherwise I would just go through the list at https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/report/1
14:10:00 <cwickert> #topic Wake-up call
14:10:08 <cwickert> ok, I think this is really important
14:10:24 <cwickert> we need to GET SHIT DONE
14:10:39 <cwickert> potty was so kind as to send a wake-up call to the list
14:10:43 <cwickert> thanks potty btw
14:10:59 <cwickert> but there was no response
14:11:08 <cwickert> I'm not saying this is a bad thing
14:11:19 <cwickert> we don't need to discuss how to wake up but actually do it
14:11:53 <cwickert> and AFAICS many FAmSCo members has not done anything throughout the last week
14:12:06 <cwickert> please correct me if I'm wrong
14:13:10 <cwickert> I wonder why there is so little action recently
14:13:17 <cwickert> any ideas?
14:15:20 <cwickert> or any ideas how to bring people up to speed again and how to improve collaboration?
14:15:51 <potty> Maybe a Telegram chat group?
14:16:03 <gnokii> sure, I am awake so nobody has to wake me up
14:16:09 * linuxmodder just  hanging out  learning
14:16:10 * cwickert doesn't use Telegram
14:18:00 <potty> I mean any synchronous chat system, not necessarily IRC, but a one where we are all connected (?)
14:18:09 <potty> Hi gnokii
14:18:20 <cwickert> potty: It's called a mailing list I guess :)
14:18:20 <tuanta> I am using Telegram for work. It's ok, but it will eat much time. Not sure if FAmSCo can use
14:18:55 <gnokii> tuanta: you should fix better soon your mail server
14:18:57 <potty> Jajajaja ok ok cwickert
14:19:03 <cwickert> I think we all agree we need more async communication
14:19:14 <cwickert> but we already have mail and trac
14:19:34 <cwickert> both are hardly used, so adding a third tool will likely not help
14:19:54 <cwickert> and for the synchronous communication, gnokii suggested to switch to bi-weekly meetings
14:20:09 <cwickert> fine with me if we do our homework in the meantime
14:20:11 <gnokii> I did not
14:20:19 <gnokii> I said shift the meeting time bi-weekly
14:20:34 <cwickert> gnokii: that means?
14:21:26 <gnokii> that means shift the time in a way that I have internet, I cant stay until 10pm in the office
14:22:13 <potty> In other words change the meeting time?
14:22:21 <cwickert> every other week?
14:22:29 <gnokii> yes every other week
14:23:17 <cwickert> gnokii: we were not able to find a slow that works for all of us. now imagine we need to find two slots
14:23:24 <cwickert> s/slow/slot
14:23:57 <cwickert> peoples lives happen on weekly base. if we have alternating meeting times, we effectively need two slots
14:24:15 <tuanta> It's harder for people :(
14:24:47 * lbazan here
14:24:52 * lbazan late
14:24:57 <lbazan> morning!
14:25:05 <tuanta> Hi lbazan
14:25:17 <lbazan> I just arrived to the office
14:25:35 <lbazan> too much traffic sorry!
14:25:47 <cwickert> lbazan: welcome
14:26:00 <lbazan> cwickert: :)
14:26:05 <cwickert> lbazan: we are just talking about the old topic of meeting times again...
14:26:15 <lbazan> cwickert: ufff
14:26:33 <cwickert> given the low attendance, I'm open for rebooting the poll
14:26:36 <gnokii> tuanta: you are anyway always on the road
14:26:45 <lbazan> ok
14:27:36 <tuanta> gnokii, my work has been changed much recently. I am really busy these days
14:27:40 <cwickert> gnokii: as a matter of fact, tuanta attended more frequently than you in the past weeks. I know you were offline, but same goes for others. We all have our real lives and our daysjobs, so we are not to judge people
14:28:00 <cwickert> hi giannisk
14:28:02 <giannisk> .fas giannisk
14:28:02 <zodbot> giannisk: giannisk 'Giannis Konstantinidis' <giannis@konstantinidis.cc>
14:28:06 * giannisk waves at everyone.
14:28:07 <cwickert> #chair giannisk lbazan
14:28:08 <zodbot> Current chairs: cwickert giannisk gnokii lbazan lbazan: mailga meeting potty time tuanta
14:28:24 * giannisk has just arrived home a few hours ago, back from OSCAL in Albania and DORS/CLUC in Croatia
14:28:30 <cwickert> #info 6/7 FAmSCo members present
14:28:31 <giannisk> cwickert: hey
14:28:55 <tuanta> Nice! :-)
14:28:58 <cwickert> so, we were just discussing potty's wake-up call
14:29:08 <cwickert> we need to get our work done
14:29:13 <tuanta> Today is a good day! 6/7 :)
14:29:20 <cwickert> and if different meeting times help, I'm open for it
14:29:52 <cwickert> but if we start a new poll for a new slot, we need to really try harder. Everybody must check all possible slots
14:29:53 * giannisk is somewhat "flexible", should be able to adapt to other meeting times.
14:30:05 <potty> Me too
14:30:07 <potty> Im sort of able every moment
14:30:12 <cwickert> so who is for a new poll?
14:30:17 <potty> +1
14:31:08 <cwickert> we could also switch to biweekly meetings if we do our homework in the meantime. I'm open to it if it helps increasing the participation of the busy members
14:31:29 <cwickert> but we simply MUST DO OUR HOMEWORK, simple as that
14:32:01 <tuanta> I am fine with current time. In my busy weeks, no difference among everyday
14:32:51 <tuanta> I think we should do more in async ways (mail, trac...)
14:34:09 <cwickert> then why don't we do it? AFAICS only mailga and I commented on the tickets that were mentioned in last week's meeting minutes
14:36:28 <cwickert> giannisk: what do you think how much time you will be able to dedicate to FAmSCo? I think we had a good start and it was mainly due to you driving the whole process. I would appreciate if you could nag all of us more often.
14:38:43 <giannisk> cwickert: could definitely dedicate a few hours per week
14:39:06 <cwickert> giannisk: thanks, I think FAmSCo really needs your support
14:39:37 <giannisk> My current priorities include proposing a restructure of the mentoring system, once I have formed something concrete
14:39:52 <giannisk> And should also work on FOSCo
14:39:59 <cwickert> giannisk: thanks. Can you comment on the other topics as well?
14:40:04 <cwickert> especially FOSCo
14:40:28 <cwickert> oh, and by the way
14:40:30 <giannisk> Sure, will try to do within the next few hours... it's just that I have arrived home a few hours ago and haven't managed to "settle" yet
14:40:34 <cwickert> #info giannisk was confirmed as mentor today. Congrats!
14:40:58 <giannisk> cwickert: yes, thank you FAmSCo, sesivany for nominating and everyone else involved :)
14:41:00 <tuanta> My bus is leaving then I could be on/off, sorry.
14:41:19 <cwickert> tuanta: just check the meeting minutes and make sure to read the action items
14:41:33 <potty> Congratulations giannisk
14:41:57 <tuanta> I will do it, cwickert
14:42:38 <gnokii> yeah and fix your mail server
14:42:57 <cwickert> gnokii: what about you? AFICS you want to come up with a proposal for the mentoring, too. at least that's what changing the subject of #359 suggests
14:43:04 <cwickert> AFAICS*
14:43:13 <cwickert> .famsco 359
14:43:13 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/359
14:43:37 <gnokii> cwickert: for me its not just the position of mentor, I want also to change some things how to become ambassador what has consequences for the mentors
14:43:57 <gnokii> like the mandatory group membership in another group
14:44:06 <cwickert> gnokii: then come up with a proposal and discuss it with us and the other mentors
14:44:36 <gnokii> yeah, wanted to edit the ticket today but then I had a meeting which took much longer as planned
14:44:53 <cwickert> ok, please do it by next week
14:46:06 <gnokii> yeah, I hope I can do it on friday its the next holiday but office is open
14:47:43 <cwickert> #info cwickert has to report to the council about our recent progress on FOSCo on Monday. Unfortunately there is not much to report. Only two people have commented on #373
14:48:01 <cwickert> .famsco 373
14:48:01 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/373
14:48:20 <potty> cwickert: i will post my ideas in 6 hours
14:48:27 <cwickert> #action everybody to revisit #373 by Saturday latest
14:49:06 <gnokii> mmh for what needs the outreach comitee an outreach lead
14:49:31 <cwickert> gnokii: where is your proposal btw?
14:49:49 <gnokii> I told it very clear
14:49:59 <cwickert> gnokii: it's not "an outreach lead" but "the outreach lead" andthat's decause
14:50:20 <gnokii> I dont demand over others, I invite them to talk its their choice to take or tak live with what comes out otherwise
14:50:51 <cwickert> gnokii: we have invited them – twice, there was no feedback. Suggestions how to overcome this deadlock?
14:51:05 <gnokii> an invitation looks different
14:51:18 <gnokii> it was asked for the opinion
14:51:35 <gnokii> and marketing as well design had an positive opinion
14:51:41 <cwickert> gnokii: this actually predates your FAmSCo term
14:52:13 <gnokii> I have not seen an ¨invitation"on the design-team list
14:53:37 <cwickert> gnokii: so what did you see where the positive feedback was?
14:54:59 <cwickert> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/KWFC65LT4Z34CAQVEYVJ5NPKQAZZGXTL/
14:55:16 <cwickert> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/SPEDRY4YGKD5TN6FQUZTTQP7QYN472N5/
14:55:54 <gnokii> you can bombard me furthermore with links I cant open, I will get an timeout after 10 minutes trying to load
14:57:04 <cwickert> gnokii: sorry, not trying to bombard you. Just trust me, there was no feedback from the design team at all. That's why I asked you if you are willing to drive this forward
14:57:33 <cwickert> you are a member of both FAmSCo and the design-team, so I think you are the best candaidate
14:57:47 <cwickert> if you want to invite them to a discussion, please go ahead
14:57:50 <cwickert> ok?
14:58:13 <gnokii> its not just design team, I talking about all involved parties
14:59:05 <cwickert> we can select somebody else for marketing
14:59:32 <cwickert> ideally, FAmSCo would have a point of contact in all other groups we consider relevant
14:59:47 <gnokii> thats what I always suggested
14:59:56 <cwickert> so can you please take over the design team?
15:00:11 <gnokii> invite them to participate with an delegate in the discussion
15:00:24 <gnokii> you even did ask me once who the delegate will be
15:00:57 <cwickert> I asked you to volunteer, but did not receive a response
15:01:22 <cwickert> if the design team wants a different representative, fine with me
15:01:44 * decause catches up on the backlog
15:01:54 <gnokii> cwickert: I will ask if everybody is fine that I do, during next meeting or better I will make it topic there
15:02:24 <cwickert> #action gnokii to find a representative from the design-team to join the FOSCo discussion
15:02:27 <cwickert> thanks gnokii!
15:03:04 <cwickert> we are running out of time, that's why I suggest we continue with action items
15:03:47 <cwickert> #action everybody identify potential representatives of marketing and other outreach groups and ask them to join the FOSCo discussion in our next meeting
15:03:59 <cwickert> does this work for everybody?
15:04:19 <lbazan> yes
15:06:32 <gnokii> fine with me
15:06:52 <cwickert> ok, any other topics for today?
15:08:58 <potty> No
15:09:10 <potty> Thank you cwickert
15:09:36 <lbazan> nope
15:10:00 * cwickert will close the meeting in 3 minutes if there are no suggestions...
15:12:48 * cwickert will close the meeting in 1 minute
15:14:01 <cwickert> #endmeeting