14:04:16 <cwickert> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2016-06-16 14:04:17 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jun 15 14:04:16 2016 UTC. The chair is cwickert. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:04:17 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:04:17 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco_2016-06-16' 14:04:23 <cwickert> #meetingname famsco 14:04:23 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco' 14:04:35 <cwickert> #chair potty, giannisk, gnokii, tuanta, lbazan, mailga 14:04:35 <zodbot> Current chairs: cwickert giannisk gnokii lbazan mailga potty tuanta 14:04:47 <cwickert> #topic Roll Call 14:04:55 <cwickert> .fas cwickert 14:04:56 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@gmail.com> 14:04:57 <gnokii> .fas gnokii 14:04:59 <zodbot> gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de> 14:05:10 <potty> .hello potty 14:05:12 <zodbot> potty: potty 'Abdel G. Martínez L.' <abdel.g.martinez.l@gmail.com> 14:05:24 <cwickert> 3/7 and counting 14:06:38 <cwickert> #info 3/7 FAmSCo members present (cwickert, potty, gnokii), none of the others sent regrets 14:07:12 <cwickert> I don't see giannisk, mailga, lbazan, and tuanta in the channel, so waiting does not make much sense 14:07:26 <cwickert> gnokii, potty, anything you would like to discuss? 14:07:55 <giannisk> .fas giannisk 14:07:55 <zodbot> giannisk: giannisk 'Giannis Konstantinidis' <giannis@konstantinidis.cc> 14:08:00 * giannisk waves at everyone. 14:08:03 <gnokii> just reminding potty on his #action from last week 14:08:23 <cwickert> gnokii: that was? 14:08:42 <gnokii> sending reminder mail for release parties 14:09:06 <potty> Oh 14:09:11 <potty> I totally forgot it 14:09:19 <potty> Let me do it right away 14:09:25 <potty> :( I am sorry 14:09:27 * giannisk is sorry that he couldn't carry out his action item (restructuring the mentoring process) either. 14:10:04 <cwickert> welcome giannisk 14:10:28 <giannisk> hey cwickert :) 14:10:31 <cwickert> #topic Release Parties 14:10:51 <cwickert> #action potty to send out a reminder on release parties 14:11:01 <cwickert> anything else on this? 14:11:41 <giannisk> ! 14:11:43 <cwickert> gnokii: is there any artwork people can use for the release parties? 14:12:06 <potty> cwickert: yes 14:12:07 <gnokii> there is an poster like all the last releases 14:12:45 <potty> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F24_Artwork 14:13:58 <cwickert> #info banners and a poster template for release parties can be found at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F24_Artwork 14:14:08 <cwickert> thanks for your work, gnokii! 14:14:18 <giannisk> gnokii++ 14:14:21 <potty> Actually is a pretty good artwork 14:14:23 <cwickert> potty: you might want to include that link in your mail... 14:14:25 <potty> gnokii++ 14:14:31 <cwickert> indeed, I very much like it 14:14:38 <potty> cwickert: yes. It is included 14:14:46 <gnokii> cookies are disabled in meetings ;) 14:15:48 <cwickert> thanks potty 14:16:04 <cwickert> giannisk: was your ! about release parties or something else? 14:16:15 <giannisk> cwickert: yes, related to the release parties 14:16:27 <cwickert> ok, go ahead giannisk 14:17:02 <giannisk> I would just like to give a general heads up; at EMEA we're a bit tight with the budget, but we will try to accommodate all current and future funding requests that are related to hosting a release party 14:17:09 * cwickert thinks we can ignore the meeting protocol with only 4 people 14:17:26 <giannisk> I'm pretty sure mitzie, our treasurer is working on efficient solutions as well. 14:17:29 <giannisk> Thank you and eof 14:18:00 <cwickert> giannisk: can you give me some more info on the budget situation? 14:18:29 <giannisk> cwickert: mitzie has the most up-to-date overview 14:18:49 <giannisk> cwickert: in any case, the EMEA budget, like all of the other regional budgets, has been significantly reduced for this fiscal year 14:19:05 <cwickert> lets make this a quick topic 14:19:17 <cwickert> #topic Regional budgets 14:19:18 <giannisk> Also, there is another problem: we cannot anymore transfer leftovers from between quarters 14:19:25 <gnokii> like all the others? 14:19:26 * giannisk looks at cwickert, nodding 14:19:36 <cwickert> gnokii: ? 14:19:49 <cwickert> I was to approve it in the council and I was already worried about the regional budgets, that's why I am interested in how it works out for the regions (or doesn't) 14:20:46 <cwickert> #info regional treasurers, if you are having problems with budget, please report them to FAmSCo or cwickert directly. We will see what we can do 14:20:54 <giannisk> cwickert: I will be honest, I believe that in EMEA we have started to have a few "issues" with the budget recently. 14:21:13 <cwickert> giannisk: well, actually we can save money between quarters, but we need a good reasoning 14:21:27 <giannisk> During the last two EMEA meetings, we had to -partially- accept two separate budget requests, due to not having enough money. 14:22:00 <giannisk> And some contributors have already reached out to me and are frustrated about the situation. 14:22:01 <cwickert> if you tell decause you want to explicitly save something for later and provide good reasons, I think he will approve it 14:22:14 * lbazan here 14:22:19 * lbazan late 14:22:22 <lbazan> morning 14:22:23 <cwickert> hi lbazan 14:22:37 * lbazan traffic.... 14:22:45 <giannisk> cwickert: True. Regular and important events (that are not planned) are good reasons I believe. 14:22:47 <cwickert> giannisk: please forward the mails to me 14:23:10 <cwickert> giannisk: I really had to argue hard for saving money in the council... 14:23:11 <giannisk> cwickert: Will ask the people before I do. :) 14:23:56 <cwickert> giannisk: I'm sorry, I couldn't attend the regional meetings lately, but if there is anything not working with the budget, I and decause need to know. the more we know, the better 14:24:22 <cwickert> giannisk: so it was the two latest meetings you say? 14:24:47 <giannisk> cwickert: More specifically, yes, during the last two meetings If my memory serves me correctly 14:24:56 <giannisk> cwickert: Everything should be found on the logs. 14:24:58 <cwickert> #action cwickert to read the minutes of the two last EMEA meetings and analyze the budget problem. 14:25:15 <cwickert> ok, I will try to look into that, giannisk 14:25:19 <giannisk> thank you cwickert 14:25:35 <cwickert> gnokii: anything from your side? I fail to parse your sentence? 14:25:44 <giannisk> Will also keep you posted If I have anything else. 14:25:48 <cwickert> s?/!/ 14:27:24 * cwickert wonders if gnokii is still around... 14:28:23 <cwickert> ok, that question is answered 14:28:49 <cwickert> unless there is anything else about the budget, we move on 14:29:13 <giannisk> Not from me, for the time being; thank you and eof 14:29:15 <cwickert> lbazan, potty, giannisk, anything else you would like to discuss 14:29:35 <potty> cwickert: no. Thanks for asking 14:29:41 <lbazan> cwickert: nop 14:29:42 * potty is writing the email 14:29:55 <lbazan> I need check meeting logs 14:29:56 <cwickert> ok, /me looks into trac for more topics 14:30:04 <lbazan> ok 14:30:26 <cwickert> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/report/1 14:30:54 <cwickert> let's start with the most recent topic first 14:31:12 <cwickert> #topic robyduck's request to step down as mentor 14:31:19 <cwickert> .famsco 395 14:31:19 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/395 14:31:44 <potty> cwickert: ... yes ... 14:32:04 <cwickert> so far only mailga and me commented 14:32:09 <cwickert> potty: go ahead 14:32:25 <giannisk> ! 14:32:31 <potty> I think he should not step down 14:32:33 <cwickert> giannisk: potty first, then you 14:32:56 * giannisk nods 14:32:59 <potty> also it is not up to us if he wants to step down 14:33:07 <cwickert> fully agreed 14:33:32 <lbazan> potty: +1 14:33:43 <potty> he might have a very good reason to step-down and we should respect that but due the reason he is pointing, for me it is a personal thing that is not a good reason 14:33:47 <potty> eof 14:34:14 <lbazan> potty: +1 14:34:18 <cwickert> giannisk: it would be nice if you could comment on the ticket and tell him that you would like him to stay. 14:34:47 <giannisk> I was also going to reply to that ticket, but I totally forgot about it 14:35:09 <giannisk> My opinion is that it's entirely robyduck's decision whether to stay or not 14:35:13 <cwickert> giannisk: because robyduck already claimed: "With giannisk's probable +1 there are just 3 votes missing." 14:35:35 <giannisk> And FAmSCo cannot approve or deny that kind of resignation, not even by the book 14:35:47 <cwickert> I think we all agree that he is free do step down. There are no rules of guidelines. 14:35:58 <giannisk> I just wanted to say that -in no way- did I want to put pressure on robudyck to resign or anything like that 14:36:05 <giannisk> Which I'm also going to mention at the ticket 14:36:33 <cwickert> giannisk: I don't think you did, but obviously there was a communication breakdown somewhere in the discussion on famsco list 14:36:46 <giannisk> I'm going to comment at the ticket right after the meeting ends. 14:37:10 <giannisk> eof 14:37:17 <cwickert> we all agree robdyduck is free to step down. what do we think about giannisk's mentoring in this case? Do we feel it was too short? 14:37:49 <cwickert> or is everybody fine with approving elioqoshi as ambassador? 14:38:16 <cwickert> #action giannisk to comment on #395 14:38:26 <cwickert> wb gnokii 14:38:28 <giannisk> Again, please do not rely on the time-stamps solely, they don't necessarily prove anything. 14:38:45 <giannisk> I have already explained myself at that thread, I'm all ears regarding your feedback. :) 14:39:11 <gnokii> is this about your notable thing? 14:39:14 <cwickert> opinions about the so called 7-hours meeting? I have stated my view on the list, giannisk stated his. what does the rest of famsco think? 14:40:24 <giannisk> gnokii: yes, it's about that "notable" thing, which jflory also took the time to explain in depth, and I thank him for that :) 14:40:47 * jflory7 reads up 14:40:55 <gnokii> there was NO notable contribution to design team since he got the membership 14:41:26 <gnokii> look into the trac query from jflory better all on 3 days 16,17 and 18th march then quiet 14:41:27 <cwickert> gnokii: what do you consider "notable"? 14:41:35 <gnokii> 17th was the day he got the membership 14:42:01 <cwickert> what trac or tickets are you talking about? 14:43:24 <gnokii> since this mail he started to contribute there 14:43:32 <jflory7> I think to focus on what is a valid contribution and what is not is probably irrelevant for this specific discussion, in my opinion. I don't think that is the issue with the thread / ticket. 14:43:36 <gnokii> the fun is we made already an exception for him taking him into the design team 14:44:25 <giannisk> gnokii: which was? 14:44:27 <gnokii> ANYTHING 14:44:47 <giannisk> gnokii: can you please elaborate? 14:45:03 <gnokii> no meeting participation, no ticket done simple done nothing is definitely not notable 14:45:23 <giannisk> gnokii: so, he didn't work on a few tickets? 14:45:31 <cwickert> gnokii: according to his badges he did chair a meeting 14:47:00 <gnokii> cwickert: first we talk about NOTABLE contributions to the design team, he did not chair a meeting he did between mid march and june not even participate in a meeting there 14:47:46 <giannisk> gnokii: We talk about notable contributions to the project in general, including to the design team and l10n. Please have a look again at the thread. 14:47:55 <giannisk> s/thread/ticket 14:49:18 <gnokii> the only ticket he worked on waited 6 weeks for an comment from him 14:49:21 <gnokii> you kidding 14:49:42 <cwickert> gnokii: according to the badges, he has participated in meetings, chaired one, had an idea for a badget and submitted a wallpaper for F24. is fedmsg wrong here? 14:51:57 <gnokii> you said notable contributions to the design team 14:53:25 <giannisk> "I'd like to note that Elio has (officially) been part of the Fedora Project for the last months, with notable contributions to l10n and the design team." 14:53:33 <giannisk> Whatever. 14:53:48 <cwickert> gnokii: afaics he worked on two tickets. it's true that in one someone had to wait for 2 weeks for a response, but before, the ticket had been stalled for two months 14:53:55 <cwickert> so I would call that progress 14:54:05 <giannisk> Do we have any arguments against this mentee assuming the role of an ambassador? 14:55:02 <giannisk> Because that's the point after all, right? 14:55:30 <cwickert> I'm afraid that we are raising the bar too high 14:55:37 <giannisk> We are not going to judge people based on their contributions, every contribution counts and should be deeply appreciated. 14:56:18 <potty> cwickert: +1 14:56:18 <cwickert> I mean, if we require all ambassadors to make "notable" contributions in other teams first, we will not have many new ambassadors I'm afraid. 14:56:26 <giannisk> I gave this mentee a +1 because I was (and still am) convinced that he made a good fit. 14:57:14 <giannisk> cwickert: Yeap, but also depends on how we perceive "notable contributions". 14:57:26 <cwickert> gnokii_: when did you drop out? what was the last line you saw? 14:57:28 <giannisk> To my eyes, his contributions were totally fine, and I would call them notable 14:57:57 <gnokii> <gnokii> fact is if you enforce group membership in another group you should ask in the group if he contributes and not assume something 14:58:29 <cwickert> gnokii: when did we ever make membership in other groups mandatory? 15:00:10 <gnokii> nope, but that we assumed from his behavior to get desperately into the design team 15:00:28 <potty> I think mentoring should change a bit. Every mentor, right now, has his/her own way to mentor people. "Notable" is not a word to be used when mentoring a new Ambassadors. 15:00:44 <cwickert> gnokii: none of us got the line you just quoted, so you were probably already disconnected earlier. what was the last line you got from us? 15:00:52 <potty> We should set a few requisites to fulfil (FAS account, have a blog, link the blog to the planet, participate on other sub-project, know the workflow, organize an event) and maybe an exam (with the basics of the Fedora Project). 15:01:20 <giannisk> potty: just FYI, the mentee already did those 15:01:27 <gnokii> last line i got was <cwickert> gnokii: according to the badges, he has participated in meetings, chaired one, had an idea for a badget and submitted a wallpaper for F24. is fedmsg wrong here? 15:01:34 <cwickert> potty: that would be something for #359 15:01:52 <giannisk> potty: even the exam, I had him interviewed :P 15:01:54 <potty> giannisk: i know, but to validate, if mentors are doing it 15:01:58 <linuxmodder> event org seems a bit much as a start up plan 15:02:02 <giannisk> potty: of course 15:02:18 <potty> the way to validate is to have cross-region validation or famsco participation 15:02:20 <potty> example 15:02:45 <linuxmodder> how you propose cross region not everyone can/would like to be in all regions 15:03:02 <linuxmodder> timezone conflicts for one thing can be a pita 15:03:15 <cwickert> gnokii: ok, it seems you missed more and it's getting cumbersome discussing this particular candidate if you drop out every 3 minutes. Please speak up on the mailing list if you still have a problem with the approval 15:03:18 <potty> Ecuador have a new user to be an Ambassador. lbazan can mentor him. After lbazan says he/she is ready, Famsco (or a mentor from other region) can have an interview to the new prospect and see if he/she is ready. 15:03:43 <potty> Finally make the exam and if all is good... Done! new ambassador 15:03:44 <potty> eof 15:03:53 <giannisk> potty: I've just had another idea: The mentee gets assigned to a mentor, however three separate votes from different mentors are needed in the end to approve the candidate. 15:04:13 <giannisk> potty: So less hassle for FAmSCo as well. 15:04:13 <potty> giannisk: that's a good idea to 15:04:23 <potty> s/to/too 15:04:23 <cwickert> these ideas are all nice and fair, but I suggest do close this topic first and then move on 15:04:33 <giannisk> cwickert: agreed 15:04:42 <potty> cwickert: +1 15:04:43 <gnokii> did I say anything against the approval? I just said there is NO NOTABLE contribution to the design team 15:04:46 <cwickert> so, does anybody think giannisk abused his mentor powers here? 15:05:30 * cwickert doesn't think so. We trust the mentors to do the right thing 15:05:33 <potty> no 15:05:35 <gnokii> there is now, yes 15:05:37 <jflory7> As a non-voting member, for what it's worth, I see no issue with the mentorship 15:05:50 <cwickert> jflory7: thanks, noted 15:06:35 <cwickert> as for robyduck, I will try to have a private conversation with him 15:07:05 <cwickert> he already had contacted me before he opened the ticket, but I was traveling but not aware of the discussion on the ml or in trac 15:07:20 <cwickert> #action cwickert to have a chat with robyduck 15:07:41 <cwickert> anything else on this? otherwise we move on to the related topic of mentoring 15:08:20 <potty> move on 15:08:24 <lbazan> move 15:08:31 <gnokii> I understand robyduck completely 15:09:03 <cwickert> gnokii: then please tell him, he will appreciate support 15:09:15 <cwickert> #topic Reorganizing Ambassador Mentoring 15:09:17 * giannisk thanks FAmSCo for their vote of trust 15:09:19 <cwickert> .fas 359 15:09:19 <zodbot> cwickert: vipin113 'vipin' <skyvipinkumar359@mail.com> - fgngmmm 'xcbxcb fdbffb' <c3593215@trbvn.com> - prabhu 'prabhu.R' <prabhu13590@gmail.com> - markjack50 'mark jack' <c3599688@trbvn.com> - dolliab 'dolli crew' <c3597158@trbvn.com> - fdfhf 'vcbvn vcns' <c3594223@trbvn.com> - ak8359581 'zhang Amy' <ak8359581@gmail.com> - c3598699 'jhon rock' <c3598699@trbvn.com> - duh '' <cc35359@nightmare.ddns.us> - wind8335903 (6 more messages) 15:09:24 <cwickert> oops 15:09:31 <cwickert> .famscos 359 15:09:36 <cwickert> dammit 15:09:43 <cwickert> .famsco 359 15:09:43 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/359 15:10:32 <cwickert> potty, giannisk, you already had some nice ideas. do you want to add them to the wiki or discuss them on the list? 15:10:51 <potty> which is the wiki link? 15:10:55 <cwickert> I don't think we need a fully worked out proposal yet, just some brainstorming is ok 15:10:56 <potty> I would to add my idea 15:11:15 <cwickert> potty: I think the trac ticket, or if you want to first discuss it, then to the ml 15:11:34 <giannisk> cwickert: Will really really do my best as well to form an initial proposal within the next days. It's just that I'm having exams this period. 15:12:00 <cwickert> giannisk: don't worry, I don't think we have any time pressure with this one 15:12:05 <cwickert> but we have with another topic 15:12:29 * giannisk mumbles "FOSCo?" 15:12:46 <cwickert> #action add all ideas for mentoring improvements to #359. if it's just a wild idea, we can discuss it on famsco list first 15:12:49 <cwickert> giannisk: right 15:13:03 <cwickert> #topic FOSCo 15:13:09 <cwickert> .famsco 373 15:13:11 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/373 15:13:43 <cwickert> too bad gnokii has dropped out 15:13:56 <cwickert> I wanted to ask him what he has done on the design-team front 15:13:57 * giannisk feels really positive that a lot of work can and will been done during Flock. 15:14:15 * giannisk additionally, that is 15:14:16 <cwickert> giannisk: actually, we want to be done by FOSCo 15:14:46 <giannisk> cwickert: Hmm, can we? 15:15:06 <cwickert> giannisk: we have a deadline to submit our proposal to the council, I think it was beginning of July 15:15:18 <cwickert> that leaves us only 2½ weeks 15:15:37 <giannisk> cwickert: True. 15:15:40 <cwickert> decause: sorry, what was that deadline again? 15:15:47 * cwickert looks... 15:16:25 <giannisk> Flock would have been a great place to brainstorm about this, as we would have contributors from different sub-projects. 15:16:35 <giannisk> Everyone would be at the same place, literally. 15:16:55 <cwickert> yes, I will ask the council what they think about it 15:17:01 * potty is not going to flock :( 15:17:05 <giannisk> I'm not really sure if we can get this done within the next 2-3 weeks, but we can definitely give it our best shot in any case. 15:17:17 <cwickert> but I think we need to have *something*, even if it is not final 15:17:30 <giannisk> cwickert: agreed 15:17:56 * cwickert found it 15:18:45 <cwickert> #info The deadline for FAMSCo's FOSCo propsal is July 1st, see https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2016-05-23/fedora_council.2016-05-23-17.58.html 15:19:16 <cwickert> so whoever has not yet commented on #373, please do so ASAP 15:19:32 <cwickert> #action make your FOSCo propsals in #373 asap 15:20:01 <cwickert> does anybody know about the status of the other teams? 15:20:27 <cwickert> gnocki wanted to take care of the design-team, but I don't see anything about FOSCo on the ml yet 15:20:45 <cwickert> s/gnocki/gnokii 15:21:12 <cwickert> #action gnokii to get in touch with the design-team about FOSCo and report back to FAmSCo 15:22:14 <cwickert> #action mailga to ask L10N if they are interested in joining and report back to FAmSCo by next meeting 15:22:28 <cwickert> jflory7: you are in the marketing team, right? 15:22:43 <jflory7> cwickert: Indeed. 15:22:44 <giannisk> cwickert: commops for jflory7 as well, I gues? 15:22:46 <linuxmodder> he is among others 15:22:50 <linuxmodder> as am I 15:22:54 <giannisk> s/gues/guess 15:23:03 <jflory7> CommOps and Marketing is where I spend the majority of my time in the project. 15:23:04 * giannisk waves at linuxmodder 15:23:42 <cwickert> jflory7, linuxmodder: has there been any discussion about FOSCo in your team? 15:23:51 <linuxmodder> cwickert, as in what part of status sorry only been passively watching 15:24:04 <linuxmodder> cwickert, I'm in many :) 15:24:33 <jflory7> cwickert: For Marketing, mailga elected me as the Marketing chair for the future FOSCo once a proposal is formed. For CommOps, we are ready to support and help advise FOSCo as it takes place as there is likely a lot of ways we can help each other reach common goals. 15:24:41 <linuxmodder> not really that I've seen but FOSCO still a bit murky and fuzzy to me 15:25:05 <cwickert> gnokii: you had an action item for getting in touch with the design team about FOSCo. can you give us a status update on this? 15:25:10 <jflory7> s/elected/nominated I should say 15:25:33 <cwickert> jflory7: great. looking forward to your input 15:25:48 <cwickert> jflory7, linuxmodder: can you have a look at https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/373 and share your thoughts? 15:25:52 <jflory7> Looking forward to being involved. 15:25:57 <jflory7> I will read over it now. 15:26:01 <cwickert> jflory7: will you be at FLOCK? 15:26:11 <jflory7> cwickert: As of yesterday, yes, I will be :) 15:26:17 <cwickert> cool 15:26:25 * cwickert booked his flight on Monday 15:26:38 <linuxmodder> jflory7, you will be able to get out of school for that trip? nice 15:26:45 <cwickert> ok, unless there are any other topics, I would call it a meeting then 15:26:51 <jflory7> linuxmodder: I don't start until the end of August. :) 15:26:58 * cwickert waits some more minutes in case something comes up 15:27:07 <giannisk> linuxmodder: summer holidays :) 15:27:22 <linuxmodder> holidays ? non sense no such thing :) 15:29:42 <linuxmodder> giannisk, seems liek extra non sense committee to me 15:30:12 <linuxmodder> if we have famsco already (even tho much of its actions of late seem lame duck to me ) why add yet another 15:30:23 <linuxmodder> too much fracturing and needlessly at taht 15:30:53 <cwickert> linuxmodder: you nailed it 15:30:59 <cwickert> FAmSco is a lame duck 15:31:04 <cwickert> and not just because of FOSCo 15:31:20 <cwickert> we need a body to coordinate between ambassadors, marketing and design 15:31:49 <linuxmodder> my personal 2cents: It was meant to be a cross region commitee but there ARE NO NA members non sense 15:31:51 <cwickert> the lack of coordination between these three has been going on for years and we want to finally address the issue 15:32:12 <linuxmodder> niether group seems to fit that bill tho 15:33:02 <cwickert> FOSCo has been pretty much agreed upon, so I would like to move this forward 15:33:07 <jflory7> Looking through the ticket, I think the recent suggestions and discussion seem to be well-organized. I like mailga's proposal for composition 15:33:13 <jflory7> Still scrolling through ticket 15:33:46 <cwickert> jflory7: I'm afraid it's too big and overlaps with others, but lets see 15:33:56 <cwickert> #action all FAmSCo members to revisit #373 15:34:07 * cwickert will close the meeting in 2 minutes 15:34:20 <jflory7> True... size is definitely a factor and can make it harder to get things done. I'll take any ideas / comments I have to the ticket 15:34:29 <cwickert> cool, thanks 15:35:18 <linuxmodder> its all crap inmo 15:35:42 <linuxmodder> get real involvement or none none of this hs popularity bs 15:35:46 <linuxmodder> full stop 15:35:48 <linuxmodder> eof 15:36:42 <linuxmodder> we bitch that we have low contrib interest yet we do crap like this 15:36:45 <linuxmodder> no wonder 15:36:57 <linuxmodder> its all rabbit hole-ish 15:37:09 * cwickert has no time for rants 15:37:12 <cwickert> #endmeeting