22:58:18 #startmeeting Fedora Latam Ambassadors meeting 2016-08-06 22:58:18 Meeting started Sat Aug 6 22:58:18 2016 UTC. The chair is echevemaster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 22:58:18 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 22:58:18 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_latam_ambassadors_meeting_2016-08-06' 22:58:32 #meetingname fedora-latam 22:58:33 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-latam' 22:58:34 tatica-m1, \o 22:58:41 .fas echevemaster 22:58:43 echevemaster: echevemaster 'Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado' 22:58:44 Sorry, meeting start 22:58:50 * echevemaster Colombia Venezuela 22:58:53 .hello tatica 22:58:54 tatica-m1: tatica 'Maria Gracia Leandro Lombardo' 22:58:59 Venezuela 22:59:09 .fas yn1v 22:59:10 yn1v: yn1v 'Neville A. Cross' 22:59:16 * yn1v Nicaragua 22:59:17 .fas villadalmine 22:59:19 dalmine_: villadalmine 'Rino Rondan' 22:59:27 .fas x3mboy 22:59:28 x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' 22:59:31 * dalmine_ Argentina, chile 22:59:32 * x3mboy Venezuela - Chile 22:59:35 we will start with the request fundng tickets and then with our brainstorming 22:59:40 #topic Roll Call 23:00:36 so, starting with ticket 357 23:00:48 #topic Order 100x 2GB usb stickers for Fudcon Puno 23:01:00 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-latam/ticket/357 23:01:06 .fas fredlima 23:01:08 fredlima: fredlima 'Frederico Henrique Gonçalves Lima' 23:01:13 * fredlima Brazil 23:01:15 .fas em3rson 23:01:15 em3rson_: em3rson 'Emerson Santos' 23:01:17 .fas itamarjp 23:01:18 itamarjp: itamarjp 'Itamar Reis Peixoto' 23:01:20 * itamarjp Brazil 23:01:21 * em3rson_ Brazil 23:01:27 Stickers or usb? 23:01:34 * jsmith Paraguay 23:01:36 usb stickers 23:01:43 aka pendrives 23:01:48 .fas mativi 23:01:49 anamativi: mativi 'Ana Clara Mativi de Souza' 23:01:50 itamarjp: can you explain us why do you want o buy these flash drives for Fudcon? 23:01:51 Ok 23:02:17 s/stickers/sticks 23:02:26 have them available for people installing fedora, 23:02:41 why you don't bring the idea to the Puno organizers? 23:03:16 also there is a opened request on the wiki to ask swag 23:03:23 the people are talking about buying some stuff/swags 23:03:27 what about the idea of swag 23:03:40 but no one filled tickets 23:03:41 idea here is centralize the efforts in Puno. 23:03:52 Usb's are swag 23:04:02 o/ 23:04:07 because deadline is not over 23:04:09 itamarjp: 23:04:26 it will cost $2.5 each 23:04:27 so, add this to the queue to process ot 23:04:32 it* 23:04:33 jsmith do you think you can find cheaper ? 23:04:37 go ahead yn1v 23:05:06 itamarjp: Probably, but I'll have to check... Fedora may have some already that they can send 23:05:14 I think that if somebody take form outside Peru into the country, it will face import duties 23:05:31 yn1v: Likely, yes 23:05:38 -1 here from me, the request have to being processed from Peru 23:05:41 o/ 23:05:43 please vote. 23:05:51 x3mboy: go ahead 23:06:11 so, I think if possible to centralize swag production in Peru 23:06:17 .fas sophiekovalevsky 23:06:18 kovalevsky: sophiekovalevsky 'Kiara Navarro' 23:06:19 Panamá 23:06:27 100x for installation purposes its, IMHO, too much. Or the idea is to gift them to people? 23:06:33 or somebody that is willingly to take the burden of custom processing. eof 23:06:37 yn1v: because of that I made the wiki page. 23:06:57 x3mboy, give 5 of them for each contributor 23:06:58 -1, better to discuss in Peru, but if want to have in Peru, let this task to people from puno 23:07:03 x3mboy: the idea is always to gif the people the usb drives 23:07:10 It will be nice to distribute swag left overs among ambassadors 23:07:26 Ok, it was a misunderstanding on my side 23:07:45 ok, two negatives votes 23:07:52 one more, and move on. 23:08:06 0 23:08:06 .fas srkraken 23:08:06 srkraken: srkraken 'Efren Antonio Robledo Moreno' 23:08:09 0 I thing the issue is not the ticket, is just the wrong placing 23:08:09 dalmine_, dont think they can find cheaper price in peru. 23:08:22 yes. 23:08:24 ok. 23:08:24 Same as tatica-m1 says 23:09:03 #agreed The request has to be processed in Peru, so, this ticket is not approved 23:09:08 next topic 23:09:08 * srkraken from Mexico 23:09:24 just to think about swag from one side, and for other side it is a good idea but i do not know if people from puno agre that 23:09:33 #topic Material for OSASCO OPEN event. 23:09:44 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-latam/ticket/358 23:10:21 +1 23:10:24 +1 23:10:25 ok this events needs some swag. 23:10:29 +1 here 23:10:34 +1 23:10:36 +1 23:10:39 +2 23:10:41 +1 23:10:46 +1 23:10:47 this event is a kind of fisl but free and a little bit smaller 23:10:54 #agreed ticket 358 approved 23:10:57 next topic 23:11:26 #topic Brainstorming 23:11:37 First point 23:11:43 #info Latam Domains 23:11:52 o/ 23:12:08 go ahead x3mboy 23:12:34 Basically i have 3 points to discuss with the domains 23:12:48 The first one is main domain to use 23:13:00 #chair x3mboy 23:13:00 Current chairs: echevemaster x3mboy 23:13:25 I'm going to the proccess to ask for latam.fedoracommunity.org 23:13:57 So i want to ask vote for choose as main domain latam.fedoracommunity.org or the one adquire fedora-latam.org 23:14:24 ok I agree latam.fedoracommunity.org should exists. 23:14:24 +1 Latam.fc.org 23:14:29 but. 23:15:01 the content from fedora-latam.org could exists in fc.org? 23:15:04 x3mboy: 23:15:27 or we can redirect latam.fc.org to fedora-latam 23:15:29 ? 23:15:32 +1 for latam.fedoracommunity.org 23:15:40 We can make both ways 23:15:41 echevemaster: The redirect can happen either way... 23:16:05 But fedora-latam.org is paid by us, and now is paid for 2 years 23:16:06 thanks jsmith :) 23:16:24 We can work on the new site without pressure 23:16:30 So, we can have the content on fc.org and redirect from fedora-latam.org or viceversa 23:16:36 ok, if we can host the content of fedora-latam.org in latam.fc.org, my vote is yes. 23:16:39 +1 23:16:43 Since we have time, and have both domains link the same place 23:16:45 +1 23:16:46 +1 23:16:51 +1 23:16:56 +1 23:16:59 +1 23:17:09 +1 23:17:26 #agreed, latam.fedoracommunity.org is being processed by x3mboy to became in our official domain 23:17:27 +1 23:17:44 x3mboy: next point of this topic, domains 23:17:52 fedora-latam.org +1 ---> latam.fedoracommunity.org 23:17:56 The second point is country subdomains 23:18:26 In some point, some countries has a page in the lost old domain proyectofedora.org 23:18:38 We are going to maintain this as well? 23:18:54 Because, for example, .ve and .ni has its own sites 23:19:06 these regional sites was maintained by their own groups. 23:19:15 .br and .cl are redirecting thier old sites to fedoraproject.org 23:19:25 so, we have to investigate if these countries still have its sites. 23:19:56 but, I feel we have to centralize all latam in our community site 23:19:57 AFAIK only .ve and .ni 23:20:03 with content in only a site. 23:20:16 .fas em3rson 23:20:16 Richzendy just told me that he's working on the 23:20:16 em3rson__: em3rson 'Emerson Santos' 23:20:22 .Ve site 23:20:31 Sry, phone enter 23:20:46 echevemaster, I think we can centralize the content in spanish, not sure about portuguese, 23:20:58 my idea here is link to the other sites from our latam site, but not include subdomains 23:21:15 itamarjp: sites is ready to support both languages 23:21:39 Ok, so task here is to investigate country sites and discuss how they are going to manage their local content against main latam site, right? 23:22:00 right, at least from my POW 23:22:11 please WDTK? people 23:22:12 ok 23:22:17 WDYT? 23:22:18 I think that since there are so many sites this discussion should be on email, so everyone can follow it up 23:22:39 +1 to discuss it in ML 23:22:55 +1 ML 23:23:00 #action tatica will send an email to discuss what countries still have content in its latam site 23:23:02 .fas Richzendy 23:23:03 R|chy: richzendy 'Edwind Richzendy Contreras Soto' 23:23:19 sorry tatica-m1 was your idea, so send the email :) 23:23:23 hehehe 23:23:27 LOL 23:23:28 Sure, no problem at all 23:23:45 next topic of this discussion x3mboy 23:23:46 I will send it tomorrow morning since I will leave the cinema at midnight 23:24:00 no problem my darling 23:24:08 squad suicide:) 23:24:11 Well i make 2 points in 1, so i'm readi 23:24:19 s/readi/ready 23:24:22 ok x3mboy take your time. 23:24:24 dalmine_ aye 23:25:32 echevemaster, ready, point 2 and 3 were related and the answer of 2, make 3 to be ready. So go on with the meeting 23:25:37 Thanks for your time 23:25:48 thanks. 23:25:57 next topic 23:26:42 #topic Define a way to control how we can following the new contributors work 23:27:45 the idea here is add our names in a wiki document, I think most of them exists, for the latam people looking for a mentor 23:28:01 ambassadors wiki page exists. 23:28:26 packagers in latam wiki page doesn't exists. but the english page yes 23:28:37 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassadors_Latin_America_(FAMLATAM) 23:28:38 +1 however, we need to encourage people to join a team before be ambassadors 23:29:11 yes tatica-m1. so the idea is create a localised directory in the site. and in the wiki 23:29:24 and share with the new contributors in a centralized way. 23:29:50 why, because usually new people, does not have good english skills 23:29:56 tatica-m1, i have an issue with your idea 23:30:03 many of them learn english here 23:30:08 What if we do a join me page at our new latam.fc.org? 23:30:29 A cutw centralized page with all the info a an inbox to contact us? 23:30:54 tatica-m1: good idea, but the goal is, Make a wiki page with the condensed content 23:30:57 Wiki is awful for new people... 23:31:11 that is I'm talking about- 23:31:37 so. We are agree on make this? 23:31:43 +1 23:31:48 +1 23:31:51 o/ 23:31:51 +1 23:32:02 I'll send to the list to discuss the content, and people wants contribute with the idea 23:32:06 x3mboy: 23:32:08 go ahead 23:32:27 Join to one team before being an ambassador can be a problem, depending of people 23:32:46 For now, i'm contributing to the magazine, and with marketing 23:33:02 x3mboy: Because of that we are bringing the idea here. 23:33:10 tatica-m1: is part of marketing 23:33:10 But to join properly to these teams, you need to be an actual ambassador 23:33:17 I'm sponsor of packagers 23:33:33 In our old times we used to help before had any title 23:33:36 williamjmorenor is part of magazine 23:33:38 The titles were rewards 23:33:41 * x3mboy thinking in join like having the fas group approved 23:33:43 and for translations. 23:33:47 We need to bring that back again 23:33:51 I think one problems is that there is no enough information about so many teams doing so many things. 23:33:59 so, we have mentors into almost all the groups 23:34:08 People being rewarded for help, instead getting the price before doing anything 23:34:10 tatica-m1, i understand this, and i'm agree 23:34:36 Mucha gente es aprobada como embajador/a pero luego desaparece y no contribuyen en más nada, una forma de conseguir fidelidad es que estén en algún otro team 23:34:39 the problem here, is a lot of people does not know how to proceed on the groups. 23:34:57 But if when you are working and making opinions, you get the "You are not an ambassador, so shut up" it's not nice 23:35:11 A centralized wiki with all team mentors should so the work 23:35:11 so, we need to create a way to introduce them in the teams in its own language, 23:35:23 so this could be a good point to start 23:35:32 echevemaster, +1 23:35:37 ok, next topic. 23:35:56 we should promote a more collaborator dialogue, rather than ambassador dialogue 23:35:58 #topic strategy to gain visibility 23:36:33 1.- Send profiles of contributors to Fedora magazine 23:36:49 possible profiles echevemaster, villadalmine, vbasel, potty, wolney 23:37:27 williamjmorenor I think could take care of that 23:37:30 tatica-m1 was already one of the how-do-you-fedora, make others possible it isn't hard 23:37:32 There is a series of interviews we can follow to gain visibility at the magazine 23:37:33 so I will discuss with him 23:37:44 Yes, exactly 23:38:06 I have a terrible delay, lol 23:38:10 i have an email about to write of how do you fedora about months agoo 23:38:24 but i want to wrote more technical things 23:38:35 #action william moreno will be our POC in Fedora magazine to gain visivility with some of our contributors 23:38:49 FADS 23:38:55 2. FADS 23:39:12 usually we never had FADS in latam 23:39:32 and this is something we have to take on mind seriously 23:39:49 so, the idea here is send ideas to host FAD in latin america. 23:40:00 true FADS, not events 23:40:04 Im already working on a couple of diversity, wont mind to do a design one 23:40:39 echevemaster, I think we can start with virtual fads using hangouts on air, 23:40:44 one of the best examples was one of the FAD, that potty did few months ago, with the packaging of py3 packages 23:40:56 design just had one 23:41:00 but not latam 23:41:13 yes itamarjp, it's not needed make a FAD travelling to the country where we will held the FAD 23:41:20 Yes, i was there 23:41:23 x3mboy: exactly. 23:41:31 yes, it is a good idea use hangout 23:41:33 I already had a design sprint with Peru 23:41:43 so, the idea is create a list of FAD that will be held virtually 23:42:01 I've done about 7 online meetings the past 15 days 23:42:06 There is a RH tool to make this vFADs 23:42:07 through IRC and hangout, and create reports of the made work 23:42:16 It's totallt doable 23:42:24 Bluejeans 23:42:33 x3mboy: can you share with us when you can 23:42:34 Yeah, that one 23:42:41 so. 23:42:41 Bluejeans 23:42:57 We had the FWD using bluejeans 23:43:11 3 weeks ago, about 20 people each 23:43:11 #action echevemaster will send to the list a request to create a list of possible VFAD's 23:43:29 tatica-m1: bluejeans is a package? 23:43:38 tatica-m1, and the conferences can be recorded to plubish it later? 23:43:44 something presencial will be ok for neighborhood countries 23:43:45 Yup 23:43:50 like panama + costa rica, 23:43:56 paraguay + brasil 23:44:00 argentina + uruguay 23:44:02 No more unnecessary travel itamarjp 23:44:16 Isn't that what you said? 23:44:38 tatica-m1, yes for that reason I suggested vfads 23:44:41 If the online ones work, then we can go and travel 23:44:49 #topic Use Pagure.io to host the Latam code projects 23:44:51 tatica++ 23:44:51 itamarjp: Karma for tatica changed to 5 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 23:44:51 Prove first, then rewarda 23:45:13 this not need discussion 23:45:33 Nowadays there is only three code projects in latam 23:45:40 So, just make a list and we will suggest fads 23:45:41 with fedora guys 23:45:44 Count me in with 2 23:45:49 thanks tatica-m1 23:46:07 Sry, delay. Didn't saw the topic change 23:46:08 we will import these projects to pagure.io and keep them also in github 23:46:21 #action we will import these projects to pagure.io and keep them also in github 23:46:41 #topic Askbot contribution - In spanish version 23:46:55 we have the spanish version of Askbot 23:47:17 .fas tonet666p 23:47:19 tonet666p: tonet666p 'Tonet Pascualet Jallo Colquehuanca' 23:47:20 so I want to encourage you to participate in Askbot, we only have 500 questions 23:47:21 * tonet666p from peru 23:47:24 hi guys 23:47:37 and many of them still not answered 23:47:50 who here have logged into ASkbot? 23:48:07 O/ 23:48:15 With askbot do you mean ask.fedoraproject.org/es? 23:48:21 yes 23:48:22 Yup 23:48:30 So o/ 23:48:46 that is the only official project we have in Fedora 23:48:57 I was answering a 2 or 3 days ago 23:49:24 mime, lokomurdok and I we worked on that two years ago, and we achieved this project was released 23:49:33 And there are a lot of Qs than are old and irrelevant, the site need love 23:49:37 so, we need to re-releasing 23:50:00 that is the answer x3mboy site need love 23:50:12 so, I can't put responsibles here 23:50:20 but I can encourage you 23:50:37 I'm in with that 23:50:40 so, go ahead, and give a bit of love to ask.fpo. 23:50:41 love like answer some question or other kind of love .) 23:50:51 But just if we are talking about moderation, and answering 23:50:54 dalmine_: stop trollng 23:51:06 Lol 23:51:13 i just only asking.. do we need new site? 23:51:14 x3mboy: if you want moderate I can give your credentials 23:51:17 or more participation 23:51:32 and obviously more participation 23:51:32 Yeah, i have no issues 23:51:41 the site is.. QA 23:51:42 But we need to make marketing about the site 23:51:46 we need answers 23:51:52 exactly. 23:51:56 And of course, answers 23:52:00 so include the site in marketing 23:52:06 in flyers etc 23:52:12 answers,desing, markting 23:52:32 ok. people. I think this is all our brainstorming. 23:52:43 No, there is one more 23:52:49 we can't convert telegram into an official channel 23:52:56 Oh, so there is no more 23:52:58 what one? x3mboy 23:53:01 of course we can not 23:53:07 but a lot of things be there 23:53:12 and not in official channel 23:53:27 but we will put rules there. 23:53:30 That's a great idea echevemaster, share the ask spanish site on all our talks and swag 23:54:06 if tg is not a official channel, do we need rules ? 23:54:12 I can help with that. Maybe we should do something for Pune. Will work with the local team on it 23:54:12 and we need to create rules because the channel was made to help new contributors 23:54:16 because it is not a fedora channel 23:54:18 dalmine_, yes we need 23:54:36 it is a friend channel 23:54:48 Some tend to forget that... 23:54:50 tatica-m1: What do you refer, flyers or rules? 23:54:56 But conversations are not friendly all the time 23:55:01 Flyers... lag.... sorry 23:55:28 x3mboy: being candor,conversations are not friendly at all last days or last weeks 23:55:38 ok, but i do not know who we can manage it if tg channel it is nothing official 23:56:05 I think that is we set some rules would be ok 23:56:07 Well things are official or not official, no grey areas 23:56:08 a lot of distros/communit are using TG 23:56:16 Anyone who break those twice gets kicked out 23:56:23 correct. 23:56:31 at least 4F 23:56:35 First time warning, second out 23:56:36 and I will take the same rules of Fedora for the channel 23:56:42 be respectfully 23:56:46 help to others 23:56:52 channel is not official but we feel like official.. 23:57:01 exactly 23:57:07 so maybe try to apply same rules there 23:57:17 so, we can make jokes, we can be funny 23:57:21 .fas chinosoliard 23:57:22 chinosoliard: asoliard 'Soliard, Adrian D.' 23:57:27 * chinosoliard from .ar 23:57:29 but we can not be unrespectful 23:57:33 hi people 23:57:38 Chinosoliard, welcome 23:57:39 I would personally advice against TG group.. I have noticed many communities that started a telegram group, but slowly their activity got shifted to tg from IRC .. 23:57:52 ok. I will write some rules and share with you. 23:57:59 That's our case currently 23:58:01 and put into the header of our channel 23:58:20 However, I spend more time on my phone now, so tg is easier to me 23:58:22 they are may bots in TG 23:58:29 maybe fedora can create one personal bot 23:58:37 like "fedora" bot 23:59:09