14:14:25 <mailga> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2016-09-07 14:14:25 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Sep 7 14:14:25 2016 UTC. The chair is mailga. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:14:25 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:14:25 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco_2016-09-07' 14:14:32 <mailga> #meetingname famsco 14:14:32 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco' 14:14:43 <mailga> #topic Roll call 14:14:46 <gnokii> .fas gnokii 14:14:46 <zodbot> gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de> 14:15:08 <mailga> #chair gnokii potty 14:15:08 <zodbot> Current chairs: gnokii mailga potty 14:15:18 <mailga> .fas mailga 14:15:18 <zodbot> mailga: mailga 'Gabriele Trombini' <g.trombini@gmail.com> 14:15:32 <mailga> lets wait a couple of minutes 14:15:38 <potty> Thanks mailga. In 5 minutes I'll be available. 14:15:43 <potty> Driving 14:16:11 <mailga> ok potty ping us when you're ready. 14:19:31 <mailga> #topic Announcements 14:19:47 * cwickert is here 14:20:02 <mailga> Hello cwickert 14:20:18 <mailga> The topic is announvements, we just started 14:20:31 <mailga> #chair cwickert 14:20:31 <zodbot> Current chairs: cwickert gnokii mailga potty 14:20:55 <mailga> #info Fedora 25 Alpha is out 14:21:06 <mailga> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F25_Alpha_release_announcement 14:21:16 <mailga> any other announcement? 14:23:51 <mailga> #info Bids for the FUDCon Phnom Penh are ope 14:24:07 <mailga> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_PhnomPenh_2016 14:24:41 <mailga> gnokii: have you something to say about FUDCon or pasting the link is enough? 14:25:20 <gnokii> should be enough 14:27:35 <mailga> #info Brian Exelbierd is the new Fedora Community Leader 14:27:57 <mailga> ok no more announcements from me. 14:28:02 <mailga> going ahead 14:28:38 <mailga> #topic Action items from previous meetings 14:29:13 * mailga is checking.... 14:31:55 <cwickert> mailga: what about FOSCo? Should we discuss it today? 14:33:43 <mailga> there was an action assigned to tatica, she translated the mentor's questionnaire. 14:33:51 <mailga> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tatica/Mentor 14:34:12 <mailga> cwickert: do you want to jump directly to FOSCo discussion? 14:34:52 <cwickert> mailga: yes, but I'm not sure how much we can discuss with only 3 people 14:35:21 <mailga> seems potty is coming, so we should be 4/7.... 14:35:24 <cwickert> but you should at least announce your proposal in order to give others the chance to provide feedback 14:35:43 <mailga> cwickert: ok, changing topic. 14:36:21 <mailga> #topic upcoming FOSCo 14:36:55 <cwickert> info: mailga has been working on an eleborate FOSCo propsal at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_talk:Mailga 14:37:10 <cwickert> thanks a lot for this mailga! 14:37:20 <mailga> cwickert np 14:38:05 <mailga> cwickert: can you chair for at least five/ten minutes? I have to leave fron the keyboard a bit. 14:38:10 <cwickert> #action all to read mailga's FOSCo proposal and provide written feedback by next week's meeting. Please either use ticket #373 or famsco mailing list 14:38:25 <cwickert> mailga: I just want to give people some action items and then close the meeting :) 14:38:48 <cwickert> mailga: overall I really like your proposal, but there are some things I would remove 14:38:49 * mailga will link the page to the tickt at the end of the meeting. 14:38:53 <cwickert> thanks 14:39:51 <mailga> cwickert: do it freely. I know I wrote all the things present in my head, maybe someone too much detailed. 14:40:03 * mailga brb 14:40:55 <cwickert> mailga: I just added a comment with the link to your proposal to #373 14:40:59 <cwickert> .famsco 373 14:41:02 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/373 14:41:46 <cwickert> I would like to vote on this ticket next week. Please provide your feedback asap 14:41:54 <cwickert> anything else on this? 14:43:50 <gnokii> still there? 14:45:27 <cwickert> gnokii: yes 14:45:31 <cwickert> giannisk: welcome 14:45:32 <giannisk> .fas giannisk 14:45:33 <zodbot> giannisk: giannisk 'Giannis Konstantinidis' <giannis@konstantinidis.cc> 14:45:42 <giannisk> hello everyone, sorry about the delay 14:45:53 <cwickert> giannisk: we are just talking about mailga's FOSCo proposal 14:46:12 <cwickert> unfortunately he is afk for some minutes, but he promised to brb 14:46:15 * giannisk is checking the trac 14:46:22 <cwickert> giannisk: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_talk:Mailga 14:46:33 <giannisk> cwickert: right, thanks! 14:46:36 <cwickert> I like the proposal, but I think it goes too far 14:46:45 <cwickert> it's too ambitious 14:47:04 <cwickert> the new FOSCo would take over stuff that's currently done by other groups 14:47:12 <cwickert> and IHMO this is not the purpose 14:47:25 <cwickert> I want to give the team as much freedom as possible 14:47:50 <mailga> cwickert: only for the decisional part of the groups that should be coordinated. IMO. 14:48:46 <cwickert> mailga: I think stuff like "plans the strategies for the growth of Fedora" are clearly the councils business 14:49:05 <cwickert> but I think we could just remove these bits and go with your proposal 14:49:11 <giannisk> i admire the time and effort mailga has put into this 14:49:14 <giannisk> mailga++ 14:49:22 <cwickert> anyway, I'll send my feedback by mail 14:49:47 <giannisk> I am afraid as well that the scope might be too broad to begin with 14:49:49 <mailga> cwickert: right, I phrased very bad that sentence, I was thinking to a marketing strategy coordinated with other groups. Let's change it. 14:50:36 <giannisk> mailga: in the composition, we also include Docs? 14:50:57 <cwickert> mailga: even a marketing strategy would remain in the marketing team's ballpark I think 14:51:01 <giannisk> Because Docs isn't referenced in the beginning of the proposal 14:51:20 <cwickert> mailga: I want things bottom-up if possible, not top-down. 14:52:05 <mailga> cwickert no, if the strategy is targeted to spread Fedora (Ambassadors are a branch of marketing and they have to work together also with other groups). 14:53:07 <cwickert> mailga: I don't think we can or need to discuss this now, I'll just provide feedback 14:53:22 <cwickert> mailga: where would you like to have the discussion? 14:53:32 <cwickert> list or trac? 14:55:19 <mailga> cwickert: FOSCo itself is ambitious as well. 14:55:19 <mailga> cwickert: but no prolems here, we are a group and we can make a gardening of the proposal. 14:55:20 * potty is sorry for the delay 14:55:20 <potty> me is here 14:55:20 <mailga> cwickert: I think that track is the best place, if someone has major changes he can use his discussion page to make a different proposal and link it to the track. 14:55:59 <mailga> the only thing I'd like see done is that we work as a group in order to reach a target. 14:56:49 <cwickert> mailga: you mean the two of us or FAmSCo as a whole? 14:57:47 <gnokii_> no he means the different groups in fedora 14:57:57 <mailga> cwickert: :-D I'd realyy like the whole.... But if we can't two of us is enough. 14:59:00 <cwickert> mailga: sure, I'd like to work us as a team as well, but if people are busy or otherwise unresponsive, or disagree, we cannot really change it. 14:59:08 <cwickert> anyway, more in trac from me 14:59:15 * cwickert needs to return back to work 14:59:19 <mailga> cwickert: +1 15:00:10 <potty> +1 15:00:17 <mailga> one minute for any further question. 15:01:05 <mailga> may I close the meeting? 15:01:16 <potty> yes 15:01:20 <mailga> thanks all for being here 15:01:25 <potty> thank you for leading 15:01:27 <potty> mailga++ 15:01:30 <potty> cwickert++ 15:01:34 <potty> gnokii++ 15:01:35 <zodbot> potty: Karma for gnokii changed to 5 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 15:01:41 <mailga> #endmeeting