23:02:56 #startmeeting Fedora Latam Ambassadors meeting 2016-10-09 23:02:56 Meeting started Sat Sep 10 23:02:56 2016 UTC. The chair is echevemaster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 23:02:56 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 23:02:56 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_latam_ambassadors_meeting_2016-10-09' 23:03:03 .hello mayorga 23:03:04 mayorga: mayorga 'Eduardo Augusto Mayorga' 23:03:06 * mayorga Nicaragua 23:03:12 #meetingname fedora-latam 23:03:12 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-latam' 23:03:24 #topic Roll call 23:03:26 .fas tonet666p 23:03:27 tonet666p: tonet666p 'Tonet Pascualet Jallo Colquehuanca' 23:03:31 * tonet666p from Perú 23:03:35 .fas echevemaster 23:03:36 echevemaster: echevemaster 'Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado' 23:03:43 * echevemaster Venezuela Colombia 23:03:53 .fas alexove 23:03:53 alexove: alexove 'Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis' 23:03:56 * alexove = Peru 23:04:02 .hello potty 23:04:03 potty: potty 'Abdel G. Martínez L.' 23:04:03 #topic Fudcon sponsorship for Dennis Gilmore 23:04:04 .fas itamarjp 23:04:05 * potty Panama 23:04:07 itamarjp: itamarjp 'Itamar Reis Peixoto' 23:04:07 * itamarjp Brazil 23:04:50 .fas em3rson 23:04:51 em3rson: em3rson 'Emerson Santos' 23:04:55 * em3rson Brazil 23:04:57 Tonet please explain why do you bring to Fudcon Dennis Gilmore and see if it is possible with the current funds 23:05:15 ! 23:05:42 After tonet itamarjp 23:05:44 .hello porfiriopaiz 23:05:45 .fas fredlima 23:05:45 porfirio: porfiriopaiz 'Porfirio Andrés Páiz Carrasco' 23:05:48 fredlima: fredlima 'Frederico Henrique Gonçalves Lima' 23:05:48 .fas porfiriopaiz 23:05:49 * fredlima Brazil 23:05:54 porfirio: porfiriopaiz 'Porfirio Andrés Páiz Carrasco' 23:06:44 tonet666p 23:06:47 ? 23:06:58 hi guys, we want to bring to dennis cause we want one RH guy 23:07:16 It's possible with the current funds? 23:07:40 In other case do you have another person that you wish to bring to Fudcon? 23:07:49 still not, dgilmore can you say if you talk with red hat about it? 23:07:54 tonet666p? 23:08:33 OK if this is not ready yet we can't vote for him tonet666p 23:08:53 His ticket says partial funding does not help. 23:09:14 if dgilmore cant bring more money, then i thing we need to discuss the remaining tickets 23:09:22 EOF 23:09:28 mayorga remember react with! please 23:09:34 OK 23:09:47 We will not have the discussion for now 23:09:55 We will wait for the next week 23:09:57 I don't like to make pressure, 23:10:04 let me talk its my turn now 23:10:06 itamarjp go ahead 23:11:05 Btw 23:11:13 #chair mayorga 23:11:13 Current chairs: echevemaster mayorga 23:11:28 We could try to approve partial to dgilmore and ask RH more money to complete it to full sponsorship 23:11:44 That is the idea itamarjp 23:11:47 if doesnt work or dgilmore is not happy with partial we vote next tickets next week 23:11:49 .fas rodrigodearaujo 23:11:49 NumberStation08: rodrigodearaujo 'Rodrigo de Araujo' 23:12:13 .fas wolnei 23:12:14 wolnei: wolnei 'Wolnei Cândido Tomazelli Junior' 23:12:15 .fas lailah 23:12:17 HoloIRCUser: lailah 'Sylvia Sánchez' 23:12:21 Brazil 23:12:27 Itamarjp if dgilmore can't found funds for the next week, we can't do anything 23:12:57 how about kohane ? 23:13:00 EOF 23:13:22 And we have to ask to the organizers what people they want to bring Fudcon instead him 23:13:40 So this decision will be taken the next week 23:14:15 For those that doesn't know there are available funds because Kahane lives in Europe 23:14:37 And will not travel to Fudcon 23:14:53 ! 23:15:14 Go ahead porfirio 23:15:55 #chair tonet666p 23:15:55 Current chairs: echevemaster mayorga tonet666p 23:16:03 I know Kohane now lives at Europe, but if I recall correctly, in the past, fedora organizers has sponsored people from other regions 23:16:05 the IRC appears to be a little bit unstable now, alot of Connection reset by peer 23:16:40 .fas spacial 23:16:41 spacial: spacial 'Jacson Spacial' 23:16:50 Can we ask to Kohane if she can afford the money the ticket is not covering? 23:16:55 EOF 23:17:05 porfirio, Latam will not pay for a flight from Europe, also Kohane resign its ticket 23:17:17 ! 23:17:20 Kohane: Is that true? 23:17:29 If you want further details go to its ticket 23:17:37 Kohane 23:17:44 Go ahead 23:17:51 Yes, because I don't want to cause any problems to the organisers. 23:18:14 Please Kohane paste your ticket here 23:18:31 And I don't know if I will be able to pay the extra money or not. 23:18:44 I'm on phone 23:18:55 And porfirio, that question, that is true? Is a unrespectful 23:19:04 Kohane, Can we try something recorded or via video call if Peru has a fast connection ? 23:19:11 Yes 23:19:14 Sure 23:19:19 I would love to hear from you how was Flock 23:19:20 I'm not a liar first at all 23:19:25 Kohane thanks 23:19:38 Another question? 23:19:39 and probably I am not the only one 23:20:21 I would like to watch online because I've never been to FUDCon 23:20:25 Yes, no problem. If there's a good connection we can do something online 23:20:34 if they can transmit great 23:21:13 And if the connection isn't good enough, I can record something and send it 23:21:27 echevemaster: I'm sorry, It was just for the record. It wasn't my intention to offence. My bad. 23:21:34 Thanks again Kohane :) 23:21:41 That would be nice of you, thanks 23:21:45 You're welcome 23:21:47 Thanks porfirio :) 23:22:18 OK let's do this discussion for the next week 23:22:20 OK 23:22:32 There is another topic to discuss? 23:22:37 yes, I have one 23:22:51 Please what topic is? 23:23:31 about transparency of utilization of Funds, 23:23:56 #topic Transparency of utilization of Funds 23:23:59 Go ahead 23:24:23 I would like to ask about this ticket, 23:24:24 https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/694 23:24:34 the guy appears to filled the ticket and added a receipt 23:24:47 who approved this ticket and how ? 23:25:28 Who is that person and he is from? 23:25:56 From Peru 23:25:58 itamar, nosotros reservamos una habitacion extra por si alguien se animaba a venir y se paga si vuelo 23:26:27 es unicamente el hospedaje 23:26:28 theres an receipt of $800+ added on the ticket 23:26:33 tonet666p you posted something about him in anywhere? 23:26:42 !!! 23:26:57 alexove go ahead 23:27:21 David Zeledon esta pagando su pasaje 23:27:27 echevemaster, yes, at the facebook page 23:27:41 y no esta afectando al presupuesto de FUDCon 23:27:44 tonet666p please add the explanation to the ticket 23:27:56 los chicos le ayudaron a reservar una habitacion de hotel 23:28:18 supongo que es error de David o una mala guia 23:28:25 no hay porque molestarse 23:28:27 EOF 23:28:33 o/ 23:28:45 OK 23:28:49 then I think I can close the ticket, right ? if he is paying the hotel then reimbursement is not required. 23:29:00 To let's clear something 23:29:04 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Sponsoring_event_attendees 23:29:12 alexove, no especificamente a el, esa habitacion extra era para alguna persona que quiera venir PERO se este pagando su vuelo, y el lo hizo 23:29:19 .fas alyaj2a 23:29:20 alyaj2a: alyaj2a 'Aly Yuliza Machaca Mamani' 23:29:21 itamarjp, right 23:29:26 RegionsRegions (APAC, EMEA, LATAM, NA) have their own guidelines and rules for budget requests and reimbursements and deal with expenses that are up to $2000. Please see Reimbursements page to find out more. 23:29:31 * alyaj2a from Peru 23:29:41 Other partiesThe event owner is sometimes responsible for these decisions, and receives a set budget from which to offer subsidies under the process described below.In some circumstances, the Fedora Project Board may be consulted, but this is not usually a requirement. This might happen, for example, if there is an opportunity for attendance sponsorship that needs to be considered in light of the Board's strategic vision for the Fedora 23:29:50 Organizers can take decisions 23:29:55 one the same page -> Be transparent. Use open meetings to decide on sponsorships, 23:29:55 Only rule 23:30:00 They have to inform 23:30:30 Agree with you itamarjp, organizers no were clear on that 23:30:44 So next time, please be clear 23:31:14 There is another topic to discuss 23:31:20 yes, 23:31:20 ? 23:31:27 yes 23:31:34 we have a question 23:31:40 tonet666p what topic do you want discuss 23:31:54 I would like to register here that some guy added names into spreadsheet of flights without permission of latam community 23:31:58 we need reinbursements as soon as possible 23:32:30 I'll talk with Neville about him 23:32:39 and one flight was bought, but cancelled right after, 23:32:52 and I think this should never happen again 23:33:00 EOF 23:33:08 itamarjp please be clear if you are saying that a guy added names into spreadsheet 23:33:31 He just said that 23:33:45 I preffer to avoiding naming people here, and lets this case die. 23:34:02 itamarjp: +1 23:34:04 That was first a decision from tonet666p 23:34:24 What goes wrong? 23:34:33 A meeting was not held 23:34:59 a name of 2 guys was added 23:35:05 But that guy as you say it's named Luis bazan and he didn't a bad intention on that 23:35:09 and one was clear not approved by community in previous meetings 23:35:23 Only he asked to tonet666p 23:35:40 lets finish naming them 23:35:45 But wasn't discussed on the meeting 23:36:03 Luis Bazan added blackfile and lkf without approval of latam community 23:36:06 Because of that, I'm pasting here the guidelines 23:36:18 my bad was to did'nt tell that on a open meeting 23:36:23 The path is 23:36:29 please stop it 23:36:30 the blackfile ticket was not approved in previous meetings 23:36:34 and lkf never voted. 23:36:41 We know itamarjp 23:36:53 Please read what I'm telling you 23:36:56 if i decided that was for dont spend more time, we are near to fudcon 23:37:13 That it's 23:37:32 So, next time please don't accuse to people before investigate 23:37:39 Thanks all for read 23:37:42 ! 23:37:51 alexove go ahead 23:37:57 No voy a justificar a nadie, pero Itamarjp tiene razon 23:38:07 se tomo una decision unilateral 23:38:07 Yes he is right 23:38:32 y pareciera que la opinion de una persona sobre a la de los demás y no es correcto 23:38:33 echevemaster, dont tell that I am accusing without investigate, I am a very fair guy 23:38:38 But the best path to follow is ask to organizers 23:38:41 por favor aun no he terminado 23:39:08 bajo ese entender, sabemos que se actuo de buena fe 23:39:30 a pesar ello se actuo mal y esto llego a mayores al punto que loko_murdok 23:39:37 dijo que no iba a venir 23:39:38 Correct. 23:40:13 pero no actualizo su ticket hasta el momento, y sugiero que conciliemos en estos dias respecto al ticket lbazan y kohane 23:40:13 Well that is his decision, not from us 23:40:21 solo pongo un ejemplo, si alguien se atora comiendo, vas y lo auxilias como se pueda, no esperas a traer a un doctor diciendo ES LO CORRECTO 23:40:36 con las cosas claras respecto a los numeros podemos decidir a quien traer y a quien no 23:40:37 First we have to talk with him and see if he will going to Fudcon 23:40:47 * alexove aun esta hablando 23:41:08 hay cosas que se necesitan hacer en caliente, a veces mal, tal vez no sea el ejemplo correcto pero no se dejen llevar por el momento, piensen las cosas, nadie esta loco 23:41:13 Además que estan surgiendo otros problemas y el tiempo nos esta yendo en contra 23:41:52 asi que solicito a todos que por favor estemos atentos a cualquier convocatoria del equipo organizador de fudcon 23:41:56 OK then that decision will be taken by organizers 23:42:15 si necesitan tomar decisiones rapidas asistir a un meeting, votar y continuar rapido 23:42:25 eso es todo lo que tengo que decir por ahora 23:42:27 EOF 23:42:35 So, organizers if you need a meeting let me know 23:42:57 Another topic to discuss? 23:43:07 Swags 23:43:39 First you have information about how Neville can give to Peru the funds? 23:43:45 #topic swags 23:44:17 Debo informarles que no es posible contactar con proveedores que nos puedan dar un comprobante de pago por adelantando 23:44:34 alexove++ 23:44:34 itamarjp: Karma for alexove changed to 6 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 23:44:49 y la mayoria de proveedores no aceptan tarjetas de credito de ningun tipo 23:44:54 todos los pagos son en efectivo 23:45:14 How much will cost the swags ? 23:45:17 Then it's impossible to Neville give you funds for that he only can pay directly to providers 23:45:22 casi 3000 dolares 23:45:32 1600 alexove 23:45:45 I sent an email the last week 23:45:52 To the lists 23:46:49 disculpen, son 1968 USD lo que indica el correo de echevemaster 23:47:52 If itamarjp can find providers he can take the responsibility for that, that is right itamarjp? 23:48:06 además neville no puede hacer adelantos de dinero bajo ninguna condicion y por esta razon no sería posible mandar a fabricar los swags 23:48:43 echevemaster: Si eso pasara los precios variaran y seria necesario hacer un recalculo 23:49:09 ! 23:49:21 EOF 23:49:24 I know I'm only repeating that he told 23:49:26 ! 23:49:33 yulytas_, go a head 23:49:37 Itamarjp go ahead 23:49:49 Sorry 23:49:57 Yulitas 23:49:57 itamarjp, after :p 23:49:58 yulytas_ let me talk first 23:50:06 if itamarjp brings the swags from Brazil, he will carry many bags in the airport 23:50:16 No itamarjp 23:50:18 just that 23:50:19 Yulitas first 23:50:25 go ahead them 23:50:32 OK itamarjp go ahead 23:50:43 please consider prices, itineries and concerns 23:51:19 I have bought my flight $600 if I got an reimbursement We can transfer that to Peru and produce less stuff 23:51:34 and get receipt of swags and I get the money back 23:51:50 That could be a good idea 23:52:03 Let me talk with Neville 23:52:10 but It will be 3x less 23:52:24 We can live with it itamarjp 23:52:30 The important is 23:52:39 We have to produce swag 23:53:09 I will post an message on my ticket and give an update about that next week 23:53:19 #action I will talk with Neville about see if it's possible reimburse itamar and send money to Peru 23:53:25 alexove are you ok with that ? 23:53:35 Thanks itamarjp 23:53:49 yes please, the itinerary to help you carry on in our bags in the airport, are going to come to Lima first, right 23:54:21 EOF 23:54:24 Estoy de acuerdo pero de todos modos debemos hacer las consultas primero, coordinamos luego 23:54:28 yulitas you don't read well 23:54:29 gracias Itamarjp 23:54:38 OK 23:54:43 ok 23:54:44 .fas josereyesjdi 23:54:45 yosef7: josereyesjdi 'Jose Reyes' 23:54:46 Next topic 23:54:54 Hotel, 23:54:54 ! 23:55:30 #topic Basic rules to avoid future problems with the decisions 23:56:05 Next week we will do a brainstorming with all, for discuss and let's clear what paths we have to follow in case of take decisions 23:56:24 To avoid problems as we have the last week 23:56:30 So you are invited to discuss 23:56:30 ! 23:56:32 Eof 23:56:46 fredlima go ahead 23:56:48 i think it need to be before 23:56:52 someone said that fedora latam isn't a democracy, but it is, a different kind of democracy, where we vote, but our votes means nothing. 23:57:00 .fas x3mboy 23:57:01 x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' 23:57:11 EOF 23:57:19 this meeting will be on wednesday in fudcon-planning 23:57:25 ! 23:57:33 fredlima you are not right, we are discussing all we need 23:57:41 Alexove go ahead 23:57:58 sugiero que se habra una pagina en la wiki o se haga un hilo en la lista de correos para tratar este tema de las reglas 23:58:16 para recolectar las ideas y no demoremos mucho en el meeting de la proxima semana 23:58:19 EOF 23:58:20 Thanks Alex 23:58:24 I'll do 23:58:45 ! 23:58:48 #action echevemaster will open a wiki for write the basic rules 23:58:51 itamarjp 23:59:05 Go ahead 23:59:23 I saw that tonet666 added the hotel receipt, I would like to hear about hotel 23:59:27 EOF 23:59:45 tonet666p 00:00:18 ok 00:00:22 this is the hotel 00:00:24 http://francispuno.com/ 00:01:13 tonet666p: Thanks! 00:01:14 you can see it, we already booked it ant it includes transportation from the airport to the hottel 00:01:35 OK that is clear 00:01:48 Time over 00:01:59 May I close this meeting 00:02:00 ? 00:02:05 no 00:02:27 itamarjp time is over, the meeting is for one hour 00:02:34 ok 00:02:42 If you want to add something go ahead 00:02:43 ok 00:02:48 You have three minutes 00:02:49 its ok, 00:03:18 OK thanks 00:03:22 If meeting about fudcon are in a different day please invite in mailing lists 00:03:24 5 00:03:26 4 00:03:28 ! 00:03:28 3 00:03:30 wait 00:03:46 yulytas_, have a problem with her ticket 00:04:01 Remember, meeting is for one hour 00:04:06 what problem tonet666p? 00:04:07 yulytas_, can you explain it? 00:04:12 I did not know about it 00:04:12 What kind of problem 00:04:38 Could be discussed offline or need to be discussed here? 00:04:53 yulytas_, Can you update your ticket ? 00:04:54 Echevemaster, FEDORA use something cimilar to this app? https://www.easypolls.net/ 00:04:55 yulytas, the peruvian tickets will be reinbursed, can you buy your flight first? 00:05:09 we need a receipt on your ticket 00:05:19 I asked last week 00:05:27 Itamarjp please go ahead that you will talk 00:05:31 echevemaster told me that I have to wait 00:05:38 EOF 00:05:53 because I have a sponsorship from FEDORA 00:05:53 what problem do you have 00:05:54 ? 00:06:04 I do not know 00:06:12 That is your decision 00:06:17 ! 00:06:26 If you want to buy your tickets 00:06:38 If not you have to wait and alex go ahead 00:06:46 remember I asked you ecehvemaster about my flight ticket and you have said that I must wait because I have a sponsorpship and it takes time 00:07:04 Yes you asked 00:07:13 !! 00:07:14 good you have remembered 00:07:19 If you will not pay your ticket 00:07:22 alexove, go a head 00:07:25 Le dije a yulytas que los tickets de Peru van por la via de reembolso, tonet666p, Itamar y Joe saben al respecto 00:07:53 entonces, todos los peruanos deben comprar sus boletos de transporte y se les reembolsara en FUDCon 00:07:57 +1 alexove 00:07:59 So yulitas if you don't know the rules about reimbursements I suggest you read it 00:08:08 Aly asked me my passport number this week I did not know about this so clear 00:08:13 echevemaster, espera que termino 00:08:48 Yulytas yo pregunté para llenar la plantilla para el hotel 00:08:55 yulytas, me dijo que no podria comprar sus boletos de avión, entonces le escribi para que me envie sus datos por email (y tambien de zodiacfireworks) 00:08:59 yulitas you are traveling through Peru, you don't need a passport 00:09:08 * alexove aun no termina!!! 00:09:10 ok Aly 00:09:31 para tratar de que estos ticket los compre Joe o en su defecto se acelere el reembolso para que no tengan problemas posterios 00:09:37 Sigue Alexove 00:09:38 pero no he recibido respuesta 00:09:49 yulytas_, update your ticket, 00:09:52 I did not know why she wants that information, I just gave it to her 00:10:06 #chair alyaj2a 00:10:06 Current chairs: alyaj2a echevemaster mayorga tonet666p 00:10:08 ok Itamar, in this moment I am doing it 00:10:23 si yulytas a pesar de esto no puede acompañarnos en FUDCon entonces debe indicarlo en su ticket y éste debera ser cerrado 00:10:27 Yulytas ya dije q pregunté para el hotel 00:10:49 yulytas: Zodiacfireworks podra venir? 00:10:49 This is the kind of things that happens when people don't read. 00:10:59 This could be discussed offline 00:11:02 So people 00:11:07 esta bien Aly, pero no me dijiste asi, solo te di mi dato porque eres una organizadora y debo darte lo que me inidques 00:11:11 Thanks for attend 00:11:14 #endmeeting