15:37:04 <dgilmore> #startmeeting RELENG (2016-11-07) 15:37:04 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Nov 7 15:37:04 2016 UTC. The chair is dgilmore. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:37:04 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:37:04 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'releng_(2016-11-07)' 15:37:04 <dgilmore> #meetingname releng 15:37:05 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'releng' 15:37:05 <dgilmore> #chair dgilmore nirik tyll sharkcz bochecha masta pbrobinson pingou maxamillion mboddu 15:37:05 <zodbot> Current chairs: bochecha dgilmore masta maxamillion mboddu nirik pbrobinson pingou sharkcz tyll 15:37:08 <dgilmore> #topic init process 15:37:44 <mboddu> .hello mohanboddu 15:37:45 <zodbot> mboddu: mohanboddu 'Mohan Boddu' <mboddu@bhujji.com> 15:40:51 <dgilmore> lets wait a minute for others 15:41:09 * pwhalen is lurking 15:41:51 <maxamillion> .hello maxamillion 15:41:52 <zodbot> maxamillion: maxamillion 'Adam Miller' <maxamillion@gmail.com> 15:41:57 <nirik> .hello kevin 15:41:58 <zodbot> nirik: kevin 'Kevin Fenzi' <kevin@scrye.com> 15:43:17 <dgilmore> I lets get started 15:43:24 <dgilmore> #topic rawhide 15:43:40 <dgilmore> #info rawhide was broken most of last week 15:43:54 <dgilmore> the start of the week was missing ppc hosts in the compose channels 15:44:17 <dgilmore> when that was fixed it was broken due to systenmd-232 15:44:41 <dgilmore> #info gating builds on passing basic QA probably would have helped 15:44:53 * nirik nods. 15:44:53 <maxamillion> +1 15:45:31 <dgilmore> we would have been able to pick up that installing the rpm failed, that there was unexpanded macros etc 15:46:06 <dgilmore> not 100% sure that the rpms installed into bootloader spec locations would have been picked up 15:46:54 <dgilmore> I would like to reach out to QA and see what we can look at in regards to getting some gating in place 15:47:10 <nirik> that may need to go with the flag day for the signing stuff. 15:47:18 <nirik> or after it. 15:47:22 <dgilmore> nirik: it will give us a way to do it 15:47:26 <nirik> yep 15:47:40 <dgilmore> livemedia tasks all failed saturday due to a regression in anaconda 15:48:07 <dgilmore> #info livemedia tasks all failed saturday due to a regression in anaconda 15:48:10 <dgilmore> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392468 15:48:38 <dgilmore> livemedia tasks sunday and today failed due to systemd-udev not being installed into the chroot 15:48:45 <dgilmore> #info livemedia tasks sunday and today failed due to systemd-udev not being installed into the chroot 15:48:58 <nirik> is there a bug on that one? 15:49:18 <dgilmore> not yet 15:49:25 <dgilmore> I do not know why it was not installed 15:49:34 <dgilmore> so do not know where to file the bug 15:49:36 <nirik> yeah. hard to tell 15:49:54 <dgilmore> it comes back to a long standing dnf bug of not giving us proper output 15:50:01 <dgilmore> digging up the bug number 15:50:15 <nirik> which is somewhat fixed in 2.0, but that won't help until builders are f26 most likely 15:52:07 <dgilmore> nirik: its not close to fixed 15:52:22 <nirik> the 2.0 output is vastly better 15:52:40 <dgilmore> nirik: 2.0 only gives you extra info when it fails to install a package failing the transaction 15:53:10 <nirik> well, you better reopen and speak up in the bug then 15:53:12 <nirik> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1148627 15:53:23 <nirik> everyone else thought it was good enough 15:55:29 <dgilmore> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1303978 15:55:40 <dgilmore> nirik: there is a bug open for ages 15:55:48 <dgilmore> its not close to good enough 15:55:54 <dgilmore> in this case 15:56:10 <dgilmore> we need to know all the depsolving all the time 15:56:27 <nirik> ok. There is a depsolving log... might have the info 15:56:37 <dgilmore> then when systemd-udev dropped out we can see why it was previously pulled in and figure out what changed to make it not be 15:57:39 <dgilmore> nirik: what depsolving log? 15:57:44 <nirik> looks like no, it's useless. 15:58:02 <nirik> /var/log/dnf.librepo.log 15:58:24 <dgilmore> i have never found that useful 15:58:48 <dgilmore> so the end result is that all livecds are currently broken due to two bugs 15:58:54 <dgilmore> one in anaconda 15:59:08 <dgilmore> and one in some unkown change that needs to be figured out 16:00:09 <nirik> always the puzzles. ;) 16:02:37 <dgilmore> nirik: indeed 16:02:52 <dgilmore> really do not need to spend another day just tracking things down 16:03:16 <dgilmore> thats my rawhide update 16:03:20 <dgilmore> other than that 16:03:38 <dgilmore> #info rawhide is now aproaching 180,000 rpms 16:04:05 <nirik> fun times. 16:04:18 <mboddu> awesome 16:04:26 <dgilmore> #topic Alternative Architectures updates 16:04:56 <dgilmore> sharkcz: so people are being noisy about the breakage due to ppc not being in very good shape at import 16:05:02 <dgilmore> there is not a lot broken 16:05:24 * sharkcz is here now 16:05:31 * nirik was going to bring up the broken deps in f25 thing. we should have retired those packages at freeze. ;( 16:05:40 <dgilmore> I did file a bug on eclipse-cdt 16:05:41 <dgilmore> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392264 16:06:20 <sharkcz> dgilmore: I'm scanning the ppc related failures in koji and trying to react on them ... 16:06:23 <dgilmore> nirik: yeah, normally till does it. but I have not seen him in awhile 16:06:39 <nirik> hes been busy I guess. 16:06:41 <dgilmore> pygame is ftbfs 16:06:59 <dgilmore> eclipse-cdt is ftbfs also 16:07:26 <dgilmore> it seems that the extra broken deps on ppc are mostly due to ftbfs 16:07:27 <sharkcz> also noarch stuff that's not fully noarch can have problems 16:07:40 <dgilmore> sure 16:07:49 <dgilmore> I have not seen much or any of that 16:09:11 <dgilmore> #info some unexpected breakage in rawhide on ppc64 and ppc64le 16:09:24 <dgilmore> sharkcz: would be good to try get them dealt with asap 16:09:38 <dgilmore> otherwise how is f25 on alt arches looking? 16:09:46 <sharkcz> dgilmore: yes, it's our priority 16:09:58 <sharkcz> f25 still looks good 16:10:40 <dgilmore> #info f25 looking okay 16:11:28 <dgilmore> sharkcz: any idea if atomic host on power has been attempted yet? 16:12:03 <sharkcz> dgilmore: afaik it was attempted, but failed 16:12:34 <sharkcz> pbrobinson planned to spend Friday on the ppc composes 16:15:21 <dgilmore> sharkcz: okay 16:15:40 <dgilmore> #info ppc atomic host attempted but failed 16:15:54 <dgilmore> #topic Open Floor 16:16:04 <dgilmore> does anyone have anything? 16:16:39 <nirik> yeah... 16:16:46 <nirik> we have a bunch of broken deps in f25... 16:16:53 <nirik> do we want to retire them asap? or just not ? 16:18:17 <dgilmore> I think at this point work with QA to determine if anything will break 16:18:29 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/6488 16:18:38 <dgilmore> we have to have a RC by tomorrow or we will have to slip 16:18:44 <nirik> ok. 16:18:50 <dgilmore> yep 16:19:08 <dgilmore> but retireing them introduce more breakage that causes a slip 16:19:24 <dgilmore> it is something that should have been done over a week ago 16:20:15 <nirik> yep 16:20:22 <dgilmore> https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-25/f-25-releng-tasks.html 16:20:28 <dgilmore> that says november 1st though 16:20:54 <dgilmore> it really needs to be done prior to freeze 16:21:10 <nirik> yeah, well, here we are. ;) 16:21:24 <nirik> I am fine with asking qa and deciding something today 16:21:45 <dgilmore> sure 16:22:08 <dgilmore> #info ask QA to help figure out which broken packages are safe to retire 16:22:41 <dgilmore> I would rather us not just do it, then have breakage causing a slip 16:23:01 <dgilmore> if there is breakage causing a slip I ant QA with us :D 16:23:05 <dgilmore> sorry adamw 16:23:50 <dgilmore> anything else? 16:24:12 <nirik> nope 16:24:23 <dgilmore> #endmeeting