23:00:35 <athos> #startmeeting Fedora Ambassadors Latam meeting 2016-11-19
23:00:36 <zodbot> Meeting started Sat Nov 19 23:00:35 2016 UTC.  The chair is athos. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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23:00:36 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_ambassadors_latam_meeting_2016-11-19'
23:00:50 <athos> #meetingname fedora-latam
23:00:50 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-latam'
23:00:59 <athos> #topic Roll Call
23:01:29 <athos> .hello athoscr
23:01:30 <zodbot> athos: athoscr 'Athos Ribeiro' <athoscribeiro@gmail.com>
23:01:54 * athos , Brazil
23:02:17 <athos> #chair potty
23:02:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: athos potty
23:02:26 <athos> .chair potty
23:02:26 <zodbot> potty is seated in a chair with a nice view of a placid lake, unsuspecting that another chair is about to be slammed into them.
23:02:34 <athos> I like this one now! :) lol
23:04:13 <itamarjp> .hello itamarjp
23:04:17 <zodbot> itamarjp: itamarjp 'Itamar Reis Peixoto' <itamar@ispbrasil.com.br>
23:05:07 <athos> ping: anamativi alexove mayorga rosset potty
23:05:53 <potty> .hello potty
23:05:54 <zodbot> potty: potty 'Abdel G. Martínez L.' <abdel.g.martinez.l@gmail.com>
23:06:01 <mayorga> .hello mayorga
23:06:02 <zodbot> mayorga: mayorga 'Eduardo Augusto Mayorga' <e@mayorgalinux.com>
23:07:17 <athos> #topic MIgration from Trac to Pagure
23:07:34 <athos> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-latam/ticket/365
23:07:45 <athos> Just to update the status here
23:08:04 <athos> this week we had a clarifying conversation with justin in #fedora-latam
23:08:07 <rosset> .fasinfo filiperosset
23:08:08 <zodbot> rosset: User: filiperosset, Name: Filipe Rosset, email: rosset.filipe@gmail.com, Creation: 2008-10-30, IRC Nick: rosset, Timezone: America/Sao_Paulo, Locale: pt_BR, GPG key ID: F47674A0, Status: active
23:08:11 <zodbot> rosset: Approved Groups: packager cla_fedora cla_done ambassadors fedorabugs proventesters cla_fpca provenpackager fedora-br cvsl10n
23:09:00 <athos> our trac is not private at all, as mayorga pointed out. So we will proceed with migration normally and then we will set SOME of the tickets as private by hand, since they have sensitive information
23:09:24 <athos> we will ask everybody to help filtering those, since we have lots of tickets
23:09:43 <athos> on my side, the status is the same as last week, since I was really busy (and travelling) this week
23:09:58 <athos> I am sorry for that :) I will take the rest of the weekend to work on it!
23:10:09 <athos> eof
23:10:22 <potty> Good job athos
23:10:23 <athos> any thoughts here?
23:10:44 <potty> !
23:10:49 <athos> go on :)
23:11:11 <potty> I will create a wiki page where I will organize
23:11:20 <potty> The squad that will help out
23:11:33 <potty> With privacy stuff
23:11:50 <potty> But first call of interest through an email
23:12:18 <potty> Eof
23:12:24 <anamativi> .fas mativi
23:12:25 <zodbot> anamativi: mativi 'Ana Clara Mativi de Souza' <acmativi@hotmail.com>
23:12:31 <athos> sounds great :) thanks!!!!
23:12:49 <athos> anyone else? shall we move on?
23:13:34 <alexove> .fas alexove
23:13:34 <zodbot> alexove: alexove 'Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis' <alleinerwolf@gmail.com>
23:13:38 <athos> #action potty will organize a squad to work on finding sensitive information in the tickets after the migration is complete
23:13:49 <athos> #action athos will proceed with the migrations
23:13:56 <athos> #topic Call for Bids for FUDCon LATAM 2017
23:14:10 <athos> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-latam/ticket/370
23:14:47 <athos> As you know, mayorga opened the call for bids for FUDCon 2017
23:15:08 <athos> they are open until January 27th
23:15:34 <athos> so plese, make sure everyone knows about it so we have some nice bids here :)
23:16:04 <athos> mayorga: it's your ticket, do you have any inputs here?
23:16:26 <mayorga> Nothing to add. :-)
23:16:35 <athos> anyone else? :)
23:17:16 <athos> Next topic
23:17:33 <athos> #topic Brazilian community equipment
23:17:44 <athos> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-latam/ticket/371
23:17:50 <athos> this one is mine
23:17:53 <fredlima> .fas fredlima
23:17:55 <zodbot> fredlima: fredlima 'Frederico Henrique Gonçalves Lima' <fred@fredericolima.com.br>
23:18:08 <athos> please, have 3 minutes to read the ticket if you didn't
23:18:35 * fredlima Brazil
23:18:52 <_Teseu_> .fas teseu
23:18:53 <zodbot> _Teseu_: teseu 'Tulio Macedo' <tuliomac@gmail.com>
23:20:26 <athos> note that I am still not sure if that would be a good move, but it does make sense to me. Also note that I am not asking approval for purchasing: I am asking approval to query ambassadors and make a quote on how much that would cost. Then I would open another ticket asking for approval. Then Neville would process the payment with the credit card
23:21:31 <mayorga> It makes sense to me too. I think other countries should consider to do the same.
23:22:18 <athos> Yes, I think every country should do it as well
23:22:24 <itamarjp> athos, your ticket is not objective, We did it for FUDCon Peru and doesnt worked
23:22:33 <alexove> !
23:23:02 <athos> there is a discussion in the mailing list about it, itamarjp. Neville said it would be possible if it is an online company. We do have those in brazil
23:23:05 <athos> go on alexove
23:23:13 <alexove> first of all, we need to know the total amount (prices, taxes, transportation, etc) I think itamarjp can produce these and send to brazilian ambassadors
23:23:17 <alexove> Itamarjp can receive the reimbursement by paypal
23:23:28 <alexove> EOF
23:23:53 <alexove> this only for Brazil, for other countries depends of their situation
23:24:11 <anamativi> !
23:24:38 <itamarjp> the question here is, how long to be reimbursed
23:24:40 <athos> That is exactly the opposite from what the ticket says, alexove. We want approval so we can query for the total amount. We know this will be expensive, that's why it would be nice to have Neville paying directly
23:24:45 <athos> what do you think?
23:24:48 <athos> go on anamativi
23:24:51 <alexove> itamarjp +1
23:25:06 <anamativi> To add on Athos' ticket: my experience as an ambassador, at least here in Brazil, is that, SWAG and a nice visual identity (for both the ambassadors and the booth/space in the events) are essential to get more people interacting and coming to our activities
23:25:56 <anamativi> But to get this stuff we cant depend on one person paying, it's way too much. Other countries can do the same thing before the end of the fiscal year. It would be a great boost to LATAM ambassadors
23:25:57 <anamativi> eof
23:26:14 <fredlima> +1
23:26:22 <athos> That was my initial thought when I opened the ticket
23:26:26 <itamarjp> I have a suggestion,
23:26:38 <athos> go on :)
23:27:00 <itamarjp> everyone here put $100 on the table, then we start producing $500 of material,
23:28:11 <alexove> athos: If your request is only for Brazil, I think you have 2 ways: first Neville might pay directly or anyone can pay and wait for reimbursement
23:28:23 <alexove> the itamarjp proposal is good idea too
23:28:55 <anamativi> It doesnt make sense to me that we need to pay for something that will be "made" by 1 person, and that will not follow the usual process (open ticket for event, write reports, get reimbursed) exactly because this stuff is meant to be used for years, not for a single event, so the standard process "kinda" does not apply
23:30:05 <_Teseu_> anamativi +1
23:30:05 <mayorga> anamativi++
23:30:06 <zodbot> mayorga: Karma for mativi changed to 4 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
23:30:15 <itamarjp> anamativi, you're being selfish,
23:30:21 <itamarjp> it won't be made by one person,
23:30:33 <itamarjp> we are going to produce for all of us.
23:30:49 <anamativi> I said "by" one person, not "for" one person :P
23:31:11 <itamarjp> anamativi, thats not true,
23:31:13 <anamativi> It's not the same. One person will produce and ship to others in the country, like EMEA is doing
23:32:00 <athos> either way, the same swag would be produced and the money would come out from the budget. So in theory, it would make ZERO difference to have neville paying OR to have everybody waiting for a $100 reinbursment
23:32:29 <athos> since people complain about the wating time for reimbursements, this would solve the problem
23:32:42 <athos> thats the whole point of doing it this way
23:33:06 <rosset> ok, the problem is the amount eg, 2k dollars, so neville should pay direct to the company that will produce all things, its the best way IMHO
23:33:07 <athos> also, doing it NOW would save us from spending money in the begining of the NEXT fiscal year
23:33:37 <athos> that is my point, rosset
23:34:12 <itamarjp> rosset, does someone asked if Neville agree with that ?
23:34:24 <athos> he did in the mailing list, itamarjp
23:34:30 <itamarjp> do you agree that Neville paying directly or reimbursing fast is the same ?
23:34:43 <athos> he said it can't be done for the whole region (LATAM), but can be done in a single country
23:35:20 <athos> as rosset said, there's also the high amount problem
23:35:24 <athos> which is solved as well
23:35:25 <anamativi> but reimbursing is not the same when we look at all the fees, we will lose a lot of money reimbursing 100$ to, lets say, 5 contributors
23:35:29 <athos> and if it is the same thing
23:35:37 <athos> so let me decide how to handle my ticket
23:36:03 <athos> if it is a bad idea, let me know though
23:36:09 <itamarjp> athos, I can receive reimbursement one time and gave it back to the people.
23:36:12 <athos> as I said, I am still not sure if this is a good move
23:36:52 <athos> you mean, you would cover for that untill reimbursements? that works too
23:37:03 <rosset> itamar, too much bureaucracy, if neville can go ahead and pay, it's the better option for sure
23:37:58 <fredlima> rossert +1
23:38:07 <itamarjp> we have my ticket waiting for long time,
23:38:08 <itamarjp> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-latam/ticket/362
23:38:09 <fredlima> rosset*
23:38:16 <_Teseu_> rosset +1
23:38:24 <athos> anyway, is everybody +1 on the matter that we may go on and query the brazilian ambassadors? we can decide the paying method in the next ticket if this is a problem
23:38:40 <athos> we my ask neville to show up and make things clear
23:38:44 <athos> can we vote? :)
23:38:49 <mayorga> +1
23:38:54 <itamarjp> +1
23:38:57 <fredlima> +1
23:38:58 <anamativi> +1
23:39:03 <_Teseu_> +1
23:39:55 <alexove> You must do the complete task (wiki, quotes, etc) then we can talk about your ticket. Simple
23:40:24 <athos> did you read the ticket alexove? :)
23:40:47 <athos> I am asking IF I can make that kind of quote or not
23:41:05 <athos> I am not asking for the money to produce the swag YET
23:41:09 <rosset> +1
23:41:15 <athos> I will do it in a next ticket
23:41:22 <athos> after we have the quotes, as you said
23:42:11 <athos> anyone else? we are +6, -0 so far
23:42:21 <rosset> itamarjp, ping neville one more time to fix your ticket as well
23:42:24 <athos> potty, alexove?
23:43:22 <anamativi> alexove, I see this vote now being like a "is this a good idea or not?" kinda thing :)
23:43:31 <athos> #agreed ticket #371 is approved, we will decide how to process the payment after we have a real quote and open the next ticket
23:43:45 <athos> #topic OpenFloor
23:44:02 <athos> does anyone have any topic they would like to bring to the meeting tonight?
23:44:17 <anamativi> Id like to talk about FGSL
23:44:31 <athos> go on
23:45:12 <anamativi> me, athos and fredlima attended the 'forum goiano de software livre' yesterday and today
23:45:50 <anamativi> it was not "great" (full story will be on reports), but it gave us the idea to make a wiki page with an "events guide"
23:46:24 <anamativi> where people that attend events in different regions can share their experience in a brief and condensed way
23:47:15 <anamativi> for FGSL, for example, I'd say anyone willing to attend should talk a lot to the organization before, because they didnt do what they promised to us
23:47:44 <anamativi> we had NO INTERNET, and in the first day we didnt even had chairs or energy to plug notebooks for most of the time
23:48:19 <anamativi> I'll create this wiki this week, anyone can feel free to put entries in there
23:48:35 <anamativi> I'm thinking about calling it "LATAM Events Guide"
23:48:41 <anamativi> What do you guys think about this?
23:48:45 <athos> anamativi++
23:48:45 <zodbot> athos: Karma for mativi changed to 5 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
23:49:15 <fredlima> anamativi++
23:49:15 <zodbot> fredlima: Karma for mativi changed to 6 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
23:49:46 <alexove> !
23:49:48 <fredlima> athos++
23:49:48 <zodbot> fredlima: Karma for athoscr changed to 10 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
23:49:52 <athos> go on alexove
23:50:11 <alexove> In our case, in Peru we have an event named CONEISC
23:50:47 <alexove> in these event we contact to organizing team many months before the event and coordinate our talks and requeriments by wiki page
23:51:08 <alexove> the organizing team can see the talks proposals and requeriments
23:51:39 <alexove> they can select the talks and then we can create the ticket with the selected proposals
23:51:45 <alexove> you can see this wiki page
23:51:48 <alexove> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Coneisc_2015#Sesiones_Aprobadas
23:51:57 <alexove> sorry, the page is in spanish
23:52:03 <alexove> EOF
23:52:38 <athos> that sounds great!
23:53:00 <athos> would you be willing to add that knowledge to the page ana is creating, alexove? :)
23:53:14 <anamativi> That is great alexove, we had a wiki too, for events that are well organized this works perfectly, but it was not the case! We made it bery clear we needed those things (which is obvious, cable connection and electricity)
23:53:25 <alexove> off course
23:53:25 <anamativi> very*
23:53:48 <athos> thanks!!!
23:53:54 <anamativi> but I like your way of organizing, will apply that table style to the future :)
23:54:15 <anamativi> Anyways, the guide is meant to avoid this kind of situation we just went trough
23:55:04 <athos> eof?
23:55:18 <anamativi> yes, sorry
23:55:27 <athos> does anyone else have a topic to bring here tonight?
23:55:46 <alexove> We use the standar event template but only we have a little workflow only for these event every year
23:55:50 <itamarjp> !
23:55:59 <athos> go on itamarjp
23:56:25 <itamarjp> after FGSL we just got over 400+ people on telegram group, telegram.me/fedorabr
23:56:28 <itamarjp> EOF
23:56:59 <athos> awesome :)
23:57:04 <athos> \o/
23:57:12 <athos> ok guys
23:57:20 <porfirio> itamarjp++
23:57:20 <zodbot> porfirio: Karma for itamarjp changed to 6 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
23:57:31 <athos> if no one else has a topic, I will close this meeting in the next minute
23:57:41 <fredlima> itamarjp++
23:57:41 <zodbot> fredlima: Karma for itamarjp changed to 7 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
23:57:52 <porfirio> fredlima++
23:57:52 <zodbot> porfirio: Karma for fredlima changed to 4 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
23:57:57 <anamativi> fredlima++
23:57:57 <zodbot> anamativi: Karma for fredlima changed to 5 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
23:57:58 <athos> Thank you all for coming :)
23:58:04 <anamativi> thanks, cya
23:58:11 <athos> have a good weekend!
23:58:17 <porfirio> amativi++
23:58:23 <fredlima> tnx
23:58:36 <porfirio> Ana, what is your fas account?
23:58:36 <athos> #endmeeting