14:04:57 <mailga> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2017-01-18
14:04:57 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jan 18 14:04:57 2017 UTC.  The chair is mailga. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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14:04:57 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco_2017-01-18'
14:05:12 <mailga> #meetingname famsco
14:05:12 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco'
14:05:28 <mailga> #topic Roll Call
14:05:39 <mailga> .hello mailga
14:05:40 <zodbot> mailga: mailga 'Gabriele Trombini' <g.trombini@gmail.com>
14:05:52 <jonatoni> .fas jonatoni
14:05:52 <zodbot> jonatoni: jonatoni 'Jona Azizaj' <jonaazizaj@gmail.com>
14:05:58 <fredlima> .fas fredlima
14:05:59 <zodbot> fredlima: fredlima 'Frederico Henrique Gonçalves Lima' <fred@fredericolima.com.br>
14:06:00 <robyduck> .hello robyduck
14:06:02 <zodbot> robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' <robyduck@gmail.com>
14:06:13 <bexelbie> .hello bex
14:06:13 <zodbot> bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' <bex@pobox.com>
14:07:15 <mailga> let's wait a couple of min
14:07:42 <mailga> #chair jonatoni fredlima robyduck bexelbie
14:07:42 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie fredlima jonatoni mailga robyduck
14:08:21 <mailga> robyduck: can you lead the meeting?
14:09:37 <robyduck> mailga: I can if you prefer.
14:10:22 <mailga> potty gnokii cwickert around?
14:10:26 <robyduck> So before going to the agenda I'd like to welcome all to this new FAmSCo journey
14:10:28 <gnokii> .fas gnokii
14:10:29 <zodbot> gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de>
14:10:51 <mailga> robyduck: go ahead. You're the most experienced man.
14:11:06 <robyduck> ok
14:11:14 <robyduck> gnokii still has connection issues
14:11:39 <mailga> #chair gnokii
14:11:39 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie fredlima gnokii jonatoni mailga robyduck
14:11:39 <robyduck> so we have got a charge from the Council and the last FAmSCo to
14:11:58 <gnokii> .fas gnokii
14:11:59 <gnokii> sorry have bad connection
14:11:59 <zodbot> gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de>
14:12:02 <potty> .hello potty
14:12:03 <zodbot> potty: potty 'Abdel G. Martínez L.' <abdel.g.martinez.l@gmail.com>
14:12:15 <mailga> #chair potty
14:12:15 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie fredlima gnokii jonatoni mailga potty robyduck
14:12:20 * potty salute everyone here
14:12:32 <robyduck> ok let's wait some minutes more then
14:14:01 <robyduck> Today I'd like to do just a few things to start
14:14:24 <robyduck> 1) Discuss meeting time, if this is still ok for all
14:14:47 <robyduck> 2) Look at our FAmSCo agenda for this year
14:14:52 <giannisk> .fas giannisk
14:14:53 <zodbot> giannisk: giannisk 'Giannis Konstantinidis' <giannis@konstantinidis.cc>
14:14:58 * giannisk waves at everyone.
14:15:25 <mailga> #chair giannisk
14:15:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie fredlima giannisk gnokii jonatoni mailga potty robyduck
14:15:35 <robyduck> 3) see who wants to be the chair and eventually elect him (or nex week)
14:15:47 <robyduck> does this work for everyone?
14:15:59 <robyduck> I think with these pints we fill the whole hour
14:16:52 <mailga> robyduck: they're enough to fill the hour. For me is ok.
14:17:14 <giannisk> robyduck: what was the first item again? I missed that :/
14:17:17 <robyduck> #topic FAmSCo meeting time
14:17:26 <giannisk> robyduck: got it, nvm
14:17:38 <robyduck> So, actually we have it wednesday at 14 UTC
14:18:10 <robyduck> n't have APAC members this time, so I guess afternoon or evening should work for EMEA and LATAM
14:18:32 <giannisk> Current meeting time works for me
14:18:33 <itamarjp> .hello itamarjp
14:18:33 <zodbot> itamarjp: itamarjp 'Itamar Reis Peixoto' <itamar@ispbrasil.com.br>
14:18:42 <robyduck> #chair itamarjp
14:18:42 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie fredlima giannisk gnokii itamarjp jonatoni mailga potty robyduck
14:18:45 <jonatoni> For me is really difficult to attend the meeting, can we do it a bit later? For example 16 UTC
14:19:00 <fredlima> current meeting time also works for me
14:19:43 <robyduck> ok so at least one of us has some difficulties
14:19:48 <mailga> robyduck: can we open a whenisgood for that?
14:19:55 <robyduck> do you want us to start a whenisgood?
14:20:03 <robyduck> err
14:20:51 <giannisk> +1 for the whenisgood poll, then
14:20:59 <robyduck> mailga: can you start one and post it to the list?
14:21:09 <giannisk> let's have this sort it out until next week :)
14:21:16 <mailga> robyduck: I'll do asap.
14:21:16 <giannisk> s/sort it/sorted
14:21:23 <giannisk> mailga++
14:21:23 <zodbot> giannisk: Karma for mailga changed to 4 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
14:21:26 <jonatoni> thanks
14:21:27 <robyduck> #action mailga to open a whenisgood for a new FAmSCo meeting time
14:21:45 <robyduck> giannisk: yes, absolutely
14:22:07 <robyduck> #topic FAmSCo 2016 agenda
14:22:20 <mailga> giannisk: of course asap means in a couple of days :-D
14:22:40 <robyduck> The last FAmSCo and the Council charged us with some specific topics
14:23:09 <robyduck> mailga summarized them in a ticket and bexelbie added a more detailled comment
14:23:19 <robyduck> .famsco 410
14:23:21 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/410
14:24:16 <robyduck> I do not have any other points to add off hand now, but if anyone has something to add, he is welcome to do so
14:25:18 <giannisk> Agenda and comment looking good so far
14:25:22 <robyduck> the most important ones are a better ambassador organization, better reporting and budgeting of Regions and the think if we really need FOSCo or not, and eventually present a proposal to the Council
14:25:42 <robyduck> s/the think/the thing
14:26:03 <robyduck> bexelbie: anything you want to add here as Community Lead?
14:26:23 <bexelbie> I would encourage FAmSCo to start with Ambassadors and then look outward
14:26:30 <bexelbie> s/would//
14:26:36 <bexelbie> bad English habit :)
14:26:42 <robyduck> yeah, that's for sure the order
14:26:43 <bexelbie> Don't try to take it all on at once
14:27:10 <bexelbie> as far as budget goes, I am coordinating the Project level budget, reimbursement, etc. work so definitely consider me a partner (if you want my help :) )
14:27:13 <bexelbie> eom
14:27:29 <robyduck> bexelbie++
14:27:39 <robyduck> thanks for offering your help
14:27:58 <mailga> robyduck: we have also some tickets to chek.
14:28:01 <robyduck> we will definitely need it
14:28:25 <gnokii> !
14:28:26 <robyduck> mailga: should we do them today?
14:28:47 <robyduck> how many and which kind of?
14:28:51 <mailga> robyduck: no, but we should do next meeting.
14:29:32 <robyduck> I think we should start with concrete work next week
14:29:37 <mailga> robyduck: there are a couple in agenda yet (if I recall correctly), and other 2/3.
14:29:44 <mailga> robyduck: +1
14:29:47 <robyduck> ok
14:29:49 <robyduck> gnokii: yes?
14:30:00 <bexelbie> I have a personal request - may I be included in the whenisgood so you know my availability with regards to things we will work on together?  I don't expect you to block on me.
14:30:36 <mailga> bexelbie: are you in the FAmSCo ML?
14:30:37 <robyduck> mailga: can you do so please?
14:30:41 <gnokii> 1. I want to know now when we have to submt the budget planning, after last stage of budget.next it was September
14:30:59 <gnokii> heard somebody saying thats not the case anymore
14:31:15 <bexelbie> mailga, not sure
14:31:21 <gnokii> 2. for what are right now potty or me needed?
14:31:23 <gnokii> eof
14:31:43 <robyduck> bexelbie: that's a question for you
14:31:50 <mailga> robyduck: at the moment there are still ex-FAmSCo in list, after this meeting I'll erase them, right?
14:32:35 <robyduck> gnokii: budget submission is oktober still IIRC
14:32:40 * mailga is checking if bexelbie is in the ML
14:32:41 <bexelbie> mailga, I am happy to be on the list
14:32:46 <robyduck> gnokii: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Budget.next#The_Fedora_Budget_Process
14:32:53 <bexelbie> budget is going to work a little differently this year
14:32:57 <bexelbie> we haven't figured it all out
14:33:02 <bexelbie> but expect details closer to MArch
14:33:11 <bexelbie> I am still trying to figure out where we are on getting a new FY budget
14:33:18 <bexelbie> as you know it has trended late, something I am trying to fix
14:33:22 <robyduck> mailga: yes, you should drop them from the list, unless they are FAmSCo admins
14:33:22 <gnokii> na then is fun to say it would be different
14:35:17 <gnokii> so it is still September deadline for us then and I am not the idiot
14:35:47 <robyduck> gnokii: no you are not, and I think once we have the different process bexelbie will update the wiki
14:36:09 <robyduck> and budget.fp.o
14:36:13 <bexelbie> I have not yet modified those wiki pages at this point
14:36:25 * bexelbie is actually working on part of the budget.fp.o rebuild in another window at this moment :)
14:36:57 <gnokii> to make that also clear APAC needs his FAD to do it and the only way we can after the FAD got into regional budget is to couple it with FUDCon and move FUDCon back to June/July
14:38:45 <bexelbie> Do all of the regions require a FAD in order to make a budget request?
14:39:38 <giannisk> bexelbie: I wouldn't say "require", but it definitely helps to have a clear overview of what budget is needed
14:39:39 <robyduck> bexelbie: it worked that way, but for the old budget process
14:39:44 <gnokii> bexelbie: you can compare APAC with EMEA, they can do it online here thats simple impossible
14:40:26 <bexelbie> interesting
14:40:42 <giannisk> EMEA used to plan their regional budget during the EMEA FADs
14:41:20 <giannisk> Last year, the EMEA FAD didn't happen, however we held a mini-FAD during DevConf in Brno, which was attended by EMEA FAmSCo members, the treasurer, the FPL and FCL
14:41:23 <Kohane> Hello
14:41:26 <robyduck> I would say, regions can still make a FAD just for budgeting, but they *should* (have to?) couple it with another event, like FUDCon, DecConf or whatever where most of the people attend anyway
14:41:28 <Kohane> .fas lailah
14:41:29 <zodbot> Kohane: lailah 'Sylvia Sánchez' <BHKohane@gmail.com>
14:41:53 <gnokii> robyduck: couple is hard here
14:42:08 <Kohane> I'm sorry I'm so late, I confused the hours, I thought it was at 15:00 instead of 14:00.
14:42:12 <gnokii> we only have a few big events
14:42:18 <robyduck> #chair Kohane
14:42:18 <zodbot> Current chairs: Kohane bexelbie fredlima giannisk gnokii itamarjp jonatoni mailga potty robyduck
14:43:11 <robyduck> gnokii: ok, if you think you need that then file a request for a FAD for budgeting. We cannot discuss this today
14:43:11 <bexelbie> I am not trying to create a rabbit hole here :).  Was just curious.  Sounds like this is something APAC will continue to resolve as needed (as well as other regions that it affects) - barring a new decision from FAmSCo
14:44:17 <robyduck> can we move on?
14:44:27 <giannisk> robyduck: yes please
14:44:32 <mailga> robyduck: +1 this is a welcome meeting
14:44:33 <Kohane> yes
14:44:43 <robyduck> #topic FAmSCo chair
14:45:00 <gnokii> robyduck: its not about I think its needed and I have to file a request, its more that bexelbie did say on the Ambassadors list he wants to make them online and the date would be another one
14:45:05 <robyduck> As you know we have to elect a chair and its vice withibn the first 2 weeks of FAmSCo
14:45:27 <giannisk> #limk https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_election_rules#Election_of_the_Chairperson
14:45:35 <giannisk> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_election_rules#Election_of_the_Chairperson
14:45:38 <bexelbie> gnokii, we can talk further after the meeting if you'd like
14:45:41 <robyduck> thanks giannisk
14:46:27 <gnokii> fine
14:46:35 <robyduck> My proposal for the chair would be to also file a weekly agenda before any FAmSCo meeting, like Matthew does for the Council
14:46:54 <Kohane> Yes, it's a good idea.
14:47:05 <robyduck> tickets to discuss, proposals ecc, so everyone can prepare elf for the meeting and we do not loose time
14:47:34 * robyduck has strange keyboard sensibilities today
14:47:36 <giannisk> robyduck: +1
14:47:42 <mailga> robyduck: please remember we use the lazy consensus also.
14:47:50 <robyduck> sure
14:48:40 <giannisk> I suggest creating a ticket on the FAmSCo trac, where candidates can nominate themselves. Deadline for nominations would be until next week. Then FAmSCo members have another week to vote for their candidates.
14:48:41 <robyduck> not sure now, but is the new FAmSCo present today?
14:49:18 <robyduck> giannisk: let's do that faster
14:49:25 <fredlima> robyduck: I think it is
14:49:40 <giannisk> robyduck: Not everybody is here today
14:49:55 <Kohane> robyduck: if you mean those who were voted last election I think some of us are here.
14:50:06 <fredlima> who's not here?
14:50:13 <robyduck> normally we were used to vote directly in the meeting, but we can file a ticket, nominations close firday at 23:59 UTC and we vote until nex meeting
14:50:16 * giannisk needs to leave in about 15 minutes.
14:50:52 <Kohane> fredlima: I think Itamar was voted but is not here...
14:51:00 <mailga> robyduck & giannisk of course next meeting is at the same time as today.
14:51:04 <giannisk> robyduck: we ceased voting directly during the meetings during our last FAmSCo term, since we had trouble reching quorum
14:51:17 <fredlima> Kohane: he is here
14:51:25 <giannisk> robyduck: but your suggestion to place a deadline until friday sounds good, +1
14:51:25 <robyduck> giannisk: do you want to create the ticket for the chair?
14:51:38 <giannisk> robyduck: sure, lemme add an action item
14:51:39 <Kohane> Oh, okay, sorry for the confusion then.
14:51:45 <fredlima> :)
14:52:04 <robyduck> giannisk: yeah, we are just 7, if somene wants to nominate he will do that even today I guess
14:52:29 * itamarjp listenning
14:52:30 <giannisk> #action giannisk create a new ticket on the FAmSCo trac related to the election of the chairperson, inform rest of FAmSCo members
14:52:44 <robyduck> cool
14:52:57 <robyduck> #topic Open Floor
14:53:21 <robyduck> anything else goes here, we should close regularly at 15UTC
14:54:02 <robyduck> does all of you have subscribed to the ML?
14:54:15 <Kohane> I'm subscribed.
14:54:19 <robyduck> mailga?
14:54:21 <fredlima> I'm too
14:54:24 <jonatoni> me too
14:54:36 <itamarjp> I think I am not,
14:54:41 <mailga> I'm checking
14:55:15 <mailga> itamarjp: please subscrive here https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/famsco.lists.fedoraproject.org/
14:56:14 <itamarjp> done.
14:56:19 <mailga> then I think we're all subscrived.
14:56:35 <robyduck> +1
14:56:37 <mailga> itamarjp: I'm going to approve your sunscription.
14:56:46 <itamarjp> mailga, thank you,
14:57:15 <robyduck> anything else you want to add for today?
14:57:18 <mailga> itamarjp: done! Welcome.
14:57:46 <mailga> robyduck: I had one, but I forgot :-D
14:57:59 <Kohane> robyduck: Not from my side.
14:58:21 <mailga> oh yes! Someone who wants to update the wikipage?
14:58:25 <robyduck> mailga: keep it for the nex week :)
14:58:45 <robyduck> mailga: right
14:59:17 <Kohane> mailga: I can do that
14:59:19 <mailga> of course we could open a ticket, but there's some work to be done.
14:59:47 <mailga> Kohane: ok. Ping me for any info you need.
14:59:56 <Kohane> Perfect. I'll do so.
15:00:02 <Kohane> On IRC, right?
15:00:17 <mailga> #action Kohane to update the main FAmSCo wikipage.
15:00:17 <robyduck> #action Kohane will update the FAmSCo wiki page, mailga will assist her if needed
15:00:23 <robyduck> ouch
15:00:30 <Kohane> What?
15:00:34 <mailga> Uff... My fault...
15:00:41 <robyduck> #undo
15:00:41 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by robyduck at 15:00:17 : Kohane will update the FAmSCo wiki page, mailga will assist her if needed
15:00:41 <Kohane> Why two actions?
15:01:12 <mailga> Kohane: you can ping me in every social, I'll reply asap.
15:01:34 <robyduck> ok, fine. Anything else? If not I'll close in 3
15:01:40 <giannisk> .famsco 411
15:01:40 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/411
15:01:41 <Kohane> Okay, perfect. Do you have Telegram? Is what I use the most.
15:01:55 <robyduck> giannisk: cool, thanks
15:01:57 <giannisk> Ticket regarding the election of the chairperson is up.
15:02:08 <fredlima> giannisk: +1
15:02:24 <Kohane> giannisk ++
15:02:24 <mailga> Kohane I have.
15:02:34 <giannisk> Today we made a good start, let's soon get all cannons firing! :)
15:02:42 <Kohane> Yes!
15:02:45 <fredlima> yes!
15:02:46 <robyduck> yeah
15:03:06 <robyduck> see you all next week
15:03:15 <robyduck> #endmeeting