15:11:54 <giannisk> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2017-04-05 15:11:54 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Apr 5 15:11:54 2017 UTC. The chair is giannisk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:11:54 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:11:54 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco_2017-04-05' 15:11:59 <giannisk> #meetingname famsco 15:11:59 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco' 15:12:09 <giannisk> #topic Roll Call 15:12:13 <giannisk> .fas giannisk 15:12:15 <zodbot> giannisk: giannisk 'Giannis Konstantinidis' <giannis@konstantinidis.cc> 15:13:04 <Kohane> .fas lailah 15:13:05 <zodbot> Kohane: lailah 'Sylvia Sánchez' <BHKohane@gmail.com> 15:13:20 <giannisk> Let's wait a few more minutes... 15:14:42 <Kohane> Okay. 15:15:02 * bexelbie has to step away - but will be pingable via non-irc methods, if needed 15:15:21 <Kohane> Meanwhile I keep struggling with timezones. 15:16:43 <giannisk> Kohane: Well, we didn't change the meeting time, so it's now +1hr for me (daylight saving time) 15:17:11 <Kohane> No, it's not the meeting, it's my system 15:17:22 <Kohane> It shows +01 instead of +02 15:17:40 <Kohane> So I think is earlier than what it actually is. I don't know why 15:17:53 <giannisk> #info No quorum reached (2/7) 15:18:02 <giannisk> Pity, it's the 2nd time in a row we fail to reach quorum. 15:18:27 <Kohane> Yes, I don't know why... 15:18:28 <giannisk> Kohane: Did robyduck send regrets? Anyone else who sent regrets? 15:18:43 <giannisk> jonatoni did, she told me in advance 15:20:28 <Kohane> Robyduck said he was going to be late 15:20:58 <Kohane> But not that he wasn't available. 15:21:43 <giannisk> Kohane: I see 15:22:03 <giannisk> #info jonatoni sends regrets 15:22:19 <giannisk> Kohane: Anything in particular you'd like to bring up for discussion, perhaps? 15:22:35 <giannisk> I don't have anything in particular from my side. 15:23:04 <Kohane> I didn't see the links sent to the mailing list. Give me a second, please. 15:23:22 <Kohane> I'll check and tell you if there was anything from my side 15:23:31 <Kohane> My memory as you can see is terrible 15:29:04 <Kohane> Oh, the mentor's status 15:29:47 <Kohane> There was anything to discuss about that? Any news? 15:30:06 * robyduck around 15:30:14 <robyduck> .hello robyduck 15:30:15 <zodbot> robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' <robyduck@gmail.com> 15:30:21 <giannisk> Kohane: I have had two additional replies. But still, the portion of ambassador mentors who did not reply is very high. 15:30:26 <giannisk> robyduck: hello! 15:30:32 <Kohane> Hi robyduck! 15:30:36 <giannisk> #info No quorum reached (3/7) 15:30:42 <robyduck> hi, sorry for being late 15:30:59 <giannisk> robyduck: No worries 15:31:09 <robyduck> #info mailga sent regrets too 15:31:20 <giannisk> Unfortunately the FAmSCO turn around was very low today as well. 15:31:22 <Kohane> giannisk : Yes, two more replies don't make much difference. 15:32:01 <robyduck> #info jonatoni will launch the ambassadors script tomorrow, she already made a doc to pass to Infra after the second run 15:33:22 <robyduck> giannisk: what about the mentors? 15:35:12 <giannisk> robyduck: That's what I'm saying, we still have a large portion who didn't reply back 15:35:27 <robyduck> giannisk: then let's set them as unavailable 15:35:40 <robyduck> I mean, they had more than two weeks of time, even a reminder 15:36:09 <robyduck> This is not acceptable if a new contributor reaches out to them, or? 15:36:13 <Kohane> I see no reason to keep waiting. 15:36:25 <Kohane> Set them as unavailable. 15:36:33 <giannisk> robyduck: We will set them as unavailable on the wiki, too. Should we also consider removing them from the FAS group? 15:36:39 <robyduck> no 15:37:07 <robyduck> unavailable as mentor on the wiki =! from being active as ambassadors 15:37:58 <giannisk> From the mentors FAS group, that is 15:38:02 <Kohane> Well, they don't reply at all. But I agree that they are separated conditions. Being a mentor and being an ambassador 15:38:10 <robyduck> and also we don't remove people from the FAS group anyway, we just set ambassadors who are not active for more than 18 months as inactive 15:38:26 <robyduck> giannisk: we don't have a mentors FAS group 15:38:38 <robyduck> mentors are sponsors in the ambassadors group 15:39:29 <robyduck> so, no, we should keep them in the FAS group. As per my proposal for removal process of mentors, the FAmA will drop them from the group and wiki if they are unavailable for more tnan 12 months 15:39:33 <robyduck> makes sense? 15:40:21 <fredlima> .fas fredlima 15:40:21 <zodbot> fredlima: fredlima 'Frederico Henrique Gonçalves Lima' <fred@fredericolima.com.br> 15:40:37 <robyduck> means, he will cancel them from the fama-mentors list and from the wiki, and set them as normal users in the ambassadors group 15:40:40 <fredlima> sorry, problems on my job 15:40:45 <giannisk> robyduck: +1 15:40:50 <giannisk> fredlima: hi 15:41:05 <robyduck> wow, quorum! 15:41:08 <giannisk> #info Reached quorum (4/7) 15:41:10 <robyduck> hi fredlima 15:41:16 <fredlima> hi all 15:41:48 <robyduck> at this point we could just proceed, or? 15:41:50 <Kohane> robyduck: yes, it makes sense 15:42:12 <robyduck> am I chair or can you giannisk mark actions to you? 15:42:25 <giannisk> #chair robyduck Kohane fredlima 15:42:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: Kohane fredlima giannisk robyduck 15:42:32 <robyduck> thx 15:42:33 <giannisk> robyduck: Forgot, sorry 15:43:13 <robyduck> #action giannisk to rewrite the mentors page setting all non responsive mentors as unavailable 15:43:57 <robyduck> we should also ask to make this wiki page editable just by FAmA or FAmSCo at least (not sure if it supports groups, or needs a FAS account) 15:44:31 <gnokii> sure, so that a mentor can not set himself as unavailable anymore, what a logic 15:44:45 <robyduck> giannisk: if you want you can make that too, otherwise I'll ask later today 15:45:06 <robyduck> gnokii: he will just notify FAmA about his availability, that's all 15:45:10 <giannisk> robyduck: Sure, I can take care of that, too 15:45:31 <gnokii> sure go create more work for all 15:45:35 <robyduck> but we want to prevent other people set themself as mentor (already happened) 15:46:26 <giannisk> gnokii: It's not that much of a work, in fact FAmSCo gets notified regarding mentors' availability which is a very positive thing. 15:46:34 <robyduck> #action giannisk will ask Infra to set the mentors wiki page as RO and editable only for FAmA (or FAmSCo) 15:46:36 <giannisk> Otherwise we're out in the dark. 15:46:45 <robyduck> correct 15:47:19 <gnokii> giannisk: that you have not much idea about some things I already know FAmA != FAmSCo 15:48:16 <giannisk> gnokii: See again above, robyduck said FAmA or FAmSCo 15:48:42 <giannisk> Preferably FAmSCo first 15:49:07 <giannisk> gnokii: Plus don't rush to make assumptions about things I know ;) 15:49:23 <robyduck> anythong else about the mentors' state? 15:49:33 <giannisk> robyduck: Not much at this moment 15:49:35 <robyduck> seems we sorted that out 15:49:48 <robyduck> thank you giannisk for your work 15:51:10 <giannisk> robyduck: anytime, wish I could do more 15:51:25 <robyduck> #topic New mentor nomination process and FAmA 15:52:05 <robyduck> we agreed on the process but we need to comunicate that out to all ambassadors and regions, and also need a FAmA 15:53:18 * robyduck was initially available as FAmA, but I will take care of another project soon and don't have the time get in charge also as FAmA) 15:53:30 <Kohane> Uhm... 15:53:38 <robyduck> I remember giannisk was available too, otherwise we should find someone else 15:53:48 <Kohane> yes... 15:54:09 <Kohane> how should we communicate the process? 15:54:11 <robyduck> what is your opinion? 15:54:52 <robyduck> Kohane: mailing list 15:54:59 <Kohane> good 15:55:10 <giannisk> robyduck: I can help as well, sure 15:55:36 <robyduck> about communication, can we make a writeup on an etherpad and then carry that out? 15:56:42 <giannisk> robyduck: We sure can, I'm willing initiate the draft, then ask for the rest of FAmsCo to chime in with ideas 15:56:48 <robyduck> giannisk: want to take the responsibility of FAmA? It's time consuming and needs probably also a bit of IRC presence 15:57:03 <robyduck> or what did you mean with "help"? :) 15:58:00 <robyduck> the rest should be a weekly check of tasks, tickets, ML subscriptions, welcome message, etc 15:58:05 <gnokii> big no-go 15:58:06 <giannisk> robyduck: Anyone else joining me on FAmA duties? I might not be fully available, especially during May-June due to university workload. 15:58:15 <giannisk> gnokii: Sorry? 15:58:50 <robyduck> giannisk: should we split this? 15:59:27 <Kohane> giannisk: I can help you 15:59:28 <giannisk> robyduck: If possible, that would be very helpful to me as well. 15:59:49 <robyduck> giannisk: that could also be an option. We get the new FAmA thing rolling as FAmSCo members and can then handle that over to the next FAmA indeed. 16:00:25 <robyduck> (this was also kind of jwf's proposal) 16:00:55 <robyduck> Kohane: I'd prefer to have mentors in the FAmA role 16:01:05 <Kohane> Ah, okay 16:01:06 <robyduck> or? 16:01:14 <Kohane> Or what? 16:01:23 <robyduck> makes more sense to me 16:01:28 <gnokii> yeah experienced mentors not such ones, like giannisk 16:01:47 <robyduck> gnokii: please don't start your personal fight again 16:02:00 <robyduck> we are also over time now 16:02:06 <Kohane> robyduck: what was jwf's proposal? I don't remember right now 16:02:21 <gnokii> robyduck: you say such a thing, what a joke 16:02:25 <robyduck> Kohane: he wanted to have a sort of team in the FAmA role 16:02:31 <Kohane> Ah 16:02:56 <robyduck> gnokii: yes, me. EOF 16:03:12 <gnokii> sure preach water and drink wine 16:03:12 <Kohane> Well... it may work... or not. We should study it carefully. 16:03:18 * robyduck needs to close the meeting 16:03:31 <Kohane> yes, please 16:03:48 <giannisk> gnokii: Mind explainign? 16:03:48 <robyduck> #action giannisk to set up an etherpad for making a writeup about the new mentor nomination process 16:04:07 <giannisk> gnokii: I hate to see such comments of hatred all the time. 16:04:15 <giannisk> gnokii: Is there anything I can help you with? 16:04:16 <Kohane> Me too 16:04:27 <giannisk> gnokii: Your behavior is unacceptable. 16:04:36 <gnokii> like yours 16:04:43 <Kohane> I'm fed up of those comments of yours, gnokii 16:04:45 <giannisk> gnokii: Totally uncivil - there is no place like that in the community. 16:04:52 <giannisk> gnokii: Like mine? Mind explaining? 16:04:57 <Kohane> giannisk is doing his best. You're not! 16:04:58 <robyduck> gnokii: I don't see any bad behaviour here other than yours, sorry. 16:05:15 <gnokii> for what, there are enough examples in the meeting log of former famsco 16:05:23 <giannisk> gnokii: All I see from you is hatred all the time. That's totally counter-productive and drives off contributors. 16:05:41 <robyduck> if you like you can participate in every meeting, but in a constructive way, not in a destructive way. 16:05:42 <Kohane> I think we should close here 16:05:54 <gnokii> why, where is there hate? I just said experienced mentors not such ones like you 16:05:55 <Kohane> what do you think robyduck? 16:05:55 <giannisk> gnokii: My friend, there are plenty of examples of your hatred. Not vice-versa. 16:06:03 <robyduck> see you next time and thanks for coming 16:06:09 <fredlima> he did not approved my second submission on nuancier because of personal issues with me 16:06:12 <robyduck> #endmeeting