15:11:54 <giannisk> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2017-04-05
15:11:54 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Apr  5 15:11:54 2017 UTC.  The chair is giannisk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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15:11:54 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco_2017-04-05'
15:11:59 <giannisk> #meetingname famsco
15:11:59 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco'
15:12:09 <giannisk> #topic Roll Call
15:12:13 <giannisk> .fas giannisk
15:12:15 <zodbot> giannisk: giannisk 'Giannis Konstantinidis' <giannis@konstantinidis.cc>
15:13:04 <Kohane> .fas lailah
15:13:05 <zodbot> Kohane: lailah 'Sylvia Sánchez' <BHKohane@gmail.com>
15:13:20 <giannisk> Let's wait a few more minutes...
15:14:42 <Kohane> Okay.
15:15:02 * bexelbie has to step away - but will be pingable via non-irc methods, if needed
15:15:21 <Kohane> Meanwhile I keep struggling with timezones.
15:16:43 <giannisk> Kohane: Well, we didn't change the meeting time, so it's now +1hr for me (daylight saving time)
15:17:11 <Kohane> No, it's not the meeting, it's my system
15:17:22 <Kohane> It shows +01 instead of +02
15:17:40 <Kohane> So I think is earlier than what it actually is. I don't know why
15:17:53 <giannisk> #info No quorum reached (2/7)
15:18:02 <giannisk> Pity, it's the 2nd time in a row we fail to reach quorum.
15:18:27 <Kohane> Yes, I don't know why...
15:18:28 <giannisk> Kohane: Did robyduck send regrets? Anyone else who sent regrets?
15:18:43 <giannisk> jonatoni did, she told me in advance
15:20:28 <Kohane> Robyduck said he was going to be late
15:20:58 <Kohane> But not that he wasn't available.
15:21:43 <giannisk> Kohane: I see
15:22:03 <giannisk> #info jonatoni sends regrets
15:22:19 <giannisk> Kohane: Anything in particular you'd like to bring up for discussion, perhaps?
15:22:35 <giannisk> I don't have anything in particular from my side.
15:23:04 <Kohane> I didn't see the links sent to the mailing list. Give me a second, please.
15:23:22 <Kohane> I'll check and tell you if there was anything from my side
15:23:31 <Kohane> My memory as you can see is terrible
15:29:04 <Kohane> Oh, the mentor's status
15:29:47 <Kohane> There was anything to discuss about that?  Any news?
15:30:06 * robyduck around
15:30:14 <robyduck> .hello robyduck
15:30:15 <zodbot> robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' <robyduck@gmail.com>
15:30:21 <giannisk> Kohane: I have had two additional replies. But still, the portion of ambassador mentors who did not reply is very high.
15:30:26 <giannisk> robyduck: hello!
15:30:32 <Kohane> Hi robyduck!
15:30:36 <giannisk> #info No quorum reached (3/7)
15:30:42 <robyduck> hi, sorry for being late
15:30:59 <giannisk> robyduck: No worries
15:31:09 <robyduck> #info mailga sent regrets too
15:31:20 <giannisk> Unfortunately the FAmSCO turn around was very low today as well.
15:31:22 <Kohane> giannisk :  Yes, two more replies don't make much difference.
15:32:01 <robyduck> #info jonatoni will launch the ambassadors script tomorrow, she already made a doc to pass to Infra after the second run
15:33:22 <robyduck> giannisk: what about the mentors?
15:35:12 <giannisk> robyduck: That's what I'm saying, we still have a large portion who didn't reply back
15:35:27 <robyduck> giannisk: then let's set them as unavailable
15:35:40 <robyduck> I mean, they had more than two weeks of time, even a reminder
15:36:09 <robyduck> This is not acceptable if a new contributor reaches out to them, or?
15:36:13 <Kohane> I see no reason to keep waiting.
15:36:25 <Kohane> Set them as unavailable.
15:36:33 <giannisk> robyduck: We will set them as unavailable on the wiki, too. Should we also consider removing them from the FAS group?
15:36:39 <robyduck> no
15:37:07 <robyduck> unavailable as mentor on the wiki =! from being active as ambassadors
15:37:58 <giannisk> From the mentors FAS group, that is
15:38:02 <Kohane> Well, they don't reply at all. But I agree that they are separated conditions. Being a mentor and being an ambassador
15:38:10 <robyduck> and also we don't remove people from the FAS group anyway, we just set ambassadors who are not active for more than 18 months as inactive
15:38:26 <robyduck> giannisk: we don't have a mentors FAS group
15:38:38 <robyduck> mentors are sponsors in the ambassadors group
15:39:29 <robyduck> so, no, we should keep them in the FAS group. As per my proposal for removal process of mentors, the FAmA will drop them from the group and wiki if they are unavailable for more tnan 12 months
15:39:33 <robyduck> makes sense?
15:40:21 <fredlima> .fas fredlima
15:40:21 <zodbot> fredlima: fredlima 'Frederico Henrique Gonçalves Lima' <fred@fredericolima.com.br>
15:40:37 <robyduck> means, he will cancel them from the fama-mentors list and from the wiki, and set them as normal users in the ambassadors group
15:40:40 <fredlima> sorry, problems on my job
15:40:45 <giannisk> robyduck: +1
15:40:50 <giannisk> fredlima: hi
15:41:05 <robyduck> wow, quorum!
15:41:08 <giannisk> #info Reached quorum (4/7)
15:41:10 <robyduck> hi fredlima
15:41:16 <fredlima> hi all
15:41:48 <robyduck> at this point we could just proceed, or?
15:41:50 <Kohane> robyduck:  yes, it makes sense
15:42:12 <robyduck> am I chair or can you giannisk mark actions to you?
15:42:25 <giannisk> #chair robyduck Kohane fredlima
15:42:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: Kohane fredlima giannisk robyduck
15:42:32 <robyduck> thx
15:42:33 <giannisk> robyduck: Forgot, sorry
15:43:13 <robyduck> #action giannisk to rewrite the mentors page setting all non responsive mentors as unavailable
15:43:57 <robyduck> we should also ask to make this wiki page editable just by FAmA or FAmSCo at least (not sure if it supports groups, or needs a FAS account)
15:44:31 <gnokii> sure, so that a mentor can not set himself as unavailable anymore, what a logic
15:44:45 <robyduck> giannisk: if you want you can make that too, otherwise I'll ask later today
15:45:06 <robyduck> gnokii: he will just notify FAmA about his availability, that's all
15:45:10 <giannisk> robyduck: Sure, I can take care of that, too
15:45:31 <gnokii> sure go create more work for all
15:45:35 <robyduck> but we want to prevent other people set themself as mentor (already happened)
15:46:26 <giannisk> gnokii: It's not that much of a work, in fact FAmSCo gets notified regarding mentors' availability which is a very positive thing.
15:46:34 <robyduck> #action giannisk will ask Infra to set the mentors wiki page as RO and editable only for FAmA (or FAmSCo)
15:46:36 <giannisk> Otherwise we're out in the dark.
15:46:45 <robyduck> correct
15:47:19 <gnokii> giannisk: that you have not much idea about some things I already know FAmA != FAmSCo
15:48:16 <giannisk> gnokii: See again above, robyduck said FAmA or FAmSCo
15:48:42 <giannisk> Preferably FAmSCo first
15:49:07 <giannisk> gnokii: Plus don't rush to make assumptions about things I know ;)
15:49:23 <robyduck> anythong else about the mentors' state?
15:49:33 <giannisk> robyduck: Not much at this moment
15:49:35 <robyduck> seems we sorted that out
15:49:48 <robyduck> thank you giannisk for your work
15:51:10 <giannisk> robyduck: anytime, wish I could do more
15:51:25 <robyduck> #topic New mentor nomination process and FAmA
15:52:05 <robyduck> we agreed on the process but we need to comunicate that out to all ambassadors and regions, and also need a FAmA
15:53:18 * robyduck was initially available as FAmA, but I will take care of another project soon and don't have the time get in charge also as FAmA)
15:53:30 <Kohane> Uhm...
15:53:38 <robyduck> I remember giannisk was available too, otherwise we should find someone else
15:53:48 <Kohane> yes...
15:54:09 <Kohane> how should we communicate the process?
15:54:11 <robyduck> what is your opinion?
15:54:52 <robyduck> Kohane: mailing list
15:54:59 <Kohane> good
15:55:10 <giannisk> robyduck: I can help as well, sure
15:55:36 <robyduck> about communication, can we make a writeup on an etherpad and then carry that out?
15:56:42 <giannisk> robyduck: We sure can, I'm willing initiate the draft, then ask for the rest of FAmsCo to chime in with ideas
15:56:48 <robyduck> giannisk: want to take the responsibility of FAmA? It's time consuming and needs probably also a bit of IRC presence
15:57:03 <robyduck> or what did you mean with "help"? :)
15:58:00 <robyduck> the rest should be a weekly check of tasks, tickets, ML subscriptions, welcome message, etc
15:58:05 <gnokii> big no-go
15:58:06 <giannisk> robyduck: Anyone else joining me on FAmA duties? I might not be fully available, especially during May-June due to university workload.
15:58:15 <giannisk> gnokii: Sorry?
15:58:50 <robyduck> giannisk: should we split this?
15:59:27 <Kohane> giannisk:  I can help you
15:59:28 <giannisk> robyduck: If possible, that would be very helpful to me as well.
15:59:49 <robyduck> giannisk: that could also be an option. We get the new FAmA thing rolling as FAmSCo members and can then handle that over to the next FAmA indeed.
16:00:25 <robyduck> (this was also kind of jwf's proposal)
16:00:55 <robyduck> Kohane: I'd prefer to have mentors in the FAmA role
16:01:05 <Kohane> Ah, okay
16:01:06 <robyduck> or?
16:01:14 <Kohane> Or what?
16:01:23 <robyduck> makes more sense to me
16:01:28 <gnokii> yeah experienced mentors not such ones, like giannisk
16:01:47 <robyduck> gnokii: please don't start your personal fight again
16:02:00 <robyduck> we are also over time now
16:02:06 <Kohane> robyduck:  what was jwf's proposal?  I don't remember right now
16:02:21 <gnokii> robyduck: you say such a thing, what a joke
16:02:25 <robyduck> Kohane: he wanted to have a sort of team in the FAmA role
16:02:31 <Kohane> Ah
16:02:56 <robyduck> gnokii: yes, me. EOF
16:03:12 <gnokii> sure preach water and drink wine
16:03:12 <Kohane> Well... it may work... or not.  We should study it carefully.
16:03:18 * robyduck needs to close the meeting
16:03:31 <Kohane> yes, please
16:03:48 <giannisk> gnokii: Mind explainign?
16:03:48 <robyduck> #action giannisk to set up an etherpad for making a writeup about the new mentor nomination process
16:04:07 <giannisk> gnokii: I hate to see such comments of hatred all the time.
16:04:15 <giannisk> gnokii: Is there anything I can help you with?
16:04:16 <Kohane> Me too
16:04:27 <giannisk> gnokii: Your behavior is unacceptable.
16:04:36 <gnokii> like yours
16:04:43 <Kohane> I'm fed up of those comments of yours, gnokii
16:04:45 <giannisk> gnokii: Totally uncivil - there is no place like that in the community.
16:04:52 <giannisk> gnokii: Like mine? Mind explaining?
16:04:57 <Kohane> giannisk is doing his best. You're not!
16:04:58 <robyduck> gnokii: I don't see any bad behaviour here other than yours, sorry.
16:05:15 <gnokii> for what, there are enough examples in the meeting log of former famsco
16:05:23 <giannisk> gnokii: All I see from you is hatred all the time. That's totally counter-productive and drives off contributors.
16:05:41 <robyduck> if you like you can participate in every meeting, but in a constructive way, not in a destructive way.
16:05:42 <Kohane> I think we should close here
16:05:54 <gnokii> why, where is there hate? I just said experienced mentors not such ones like you
16:05:55 <Kohane> what do you think robyduck?
16:05:55 <giannisk> gnokii: My friend, there are plenty of examples of your hatred. Not vice-versa.
16:06:03 <robyduck> see you next time and thanks for coming
16:06:09 <fredlima> he did not approved my second submission on nuancier because of personal issues with me
16:06:12 <robyduck> #endmeeting