15:01:07 <robyduck> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2017-04-12
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15:01:07 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco_2017-04-12'
15:01:09 <robyduck> #meetingname famsco
15:01:09 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco'
15:01:15 <robyduck> #topic Roll Call
15:01:19 <robyduck> .hello robyduck
15:01:20 <zodbot> robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' <robyduck@gmail.com>
15:01:23 <mailga> .fas mailga
15:01:24 <zodbot> mailga: mailga 'Gabriele Trombini' <g.trombini@gmail.com>
15:01:41 <mailga> Sylvia send regrets, she could be late.
15:01:57 <robyduck> ok
15:02:06 <robyduck> #chair mailga
15:02:06 <zodbot> Current chairs: mailga robyduck
15:02:54 <robyduck> #chair jonatoni itamarjp fredlima
15:02:54 <zodbot> Current chairs: fredlima itamarjp jonatoni mailga robyduck
15:03:03 <robyduck> let's see if they are around
15:03:09 <jonatoni> .hello jonatoni
15:03:10 <zodbot> jonatoni: jonatoni 'Jona Azizaj' <jonaazizaj@gmail.com>
15:03:30 <robyduck> hi Jona
15:03:45 <jonatoni> Hi robyduck
15:03:58 <itamarjp> .hello itamarjp
15:03:59 <zodbot> itamarjp: itamarjp 'Itamar Reis Peixoto' <itamar@ispbrasil.com.br>
15:04:22 <robyduck> hi itamarjp, so let's start and see if others will show up later
15:04:42 <robyduck> #topic Ambassador's activity script and outcome
15:04:50 <robyduck> jonatoni: your turn ;)
15:05:23 <jonatoni> robyduck helped me to run again the script
15:05:36 <jonatoni> and I have the names of ambassadors that are inactive
15:05:48 <jonatoni> they are ~33 members
15:06:12 <robyduck> that means many of them logged into the system since the last time
15:07:02 <jonatoni> robyduck yeah, that is a great news because I've sent the emails to lots of ambassadors
15:07:26 <robyduck> the first I remember we had about 130-140
15:07:34 <jonatoni> tbh I expected to have more inactive ambassadors than we have
15:07:42 * robyduck too
15:08:02 <jonatoni> now I need to list them as inactive on the wiki
15:08:38 <robyduck> ok, we can set them as inactive manually or file an Infra ticket and ask to set their FAS account to "inactive" with a bulk action
15:08:48 <robyduck> jonatoni: no, not on the wiki
15:09:04 <robyduck> the wiki works with a FAmA script
15:09:27 <jonatoni> oh okay, will file a ticket to the infra team
15:09:36 <fredlima> .fas fredlima
15:09:37 <robyduck> and this script will not show them if their account is set as inactive
15:09:37 <zodbot> fredlima: fredlima 'Frederico Henrique Gonçalves Lima' <fred@fredericolima.com.br>
15:09:46 <fredlima> hi all
15:09:51 <robyduck> hi fredlima
15:10:22 <jonatoni> robyduck yeah you are right
15:10:30 <robyduck> #action jonatoni will file an Infra ticket to set inactive ambassadors' accounts as "inactive"
15:10:46 <robyduck> anything else on that?
15:10:53 <jonatoni> nope
15:11:31 <robyduck> jonatoni: can you close also out FAmSCo ticket after that?
15:11:38 <robyduck> s/out/our
15:11:45 <jonatoni> yeah sure
15:11:55 <robyduck> \o/
15:12:19 <robyduck> #topic Mentor's availability
15:13:04 <robyduck> giannisk is not around today, but we agreed last week to file an Infra ticket to lock down the wiki page
15:13:30 <robyduck> and we wanted also to write something up for the ambassadors and mentors list
15:13:55 <robyduck> did anyone see these? I could have missed them
15:14:39 <jonatoni> me neither
15:14:49 <mailga> I don't have see anything, but I didn't pay much attention.
15:15:17 <fredlima> no I didn't
15:15:22 <robyduck> if you don't mind I have some minutes after the meeting and can set that up
15:15:45 <robyduck> we can then do the writeup with your additions/corrections
15:16:05 <jonatoni> yeah sure
15:16:50 <robyduck> #action robyduck will ask Infra to lock down the mentors' page, and make a first writeup on an etherpad
15:17:56 <robyduck> I guess we have all informations from the mentors we wanted, once we update the wiki page we can look out for new mentors and/or ask regions to think about them
15:18:14 <robyduck> if needed obviously
15:19:42 <robyduck> this brings us to
15:19:50 <robyduck> #topic Finalize new mentor nomination process and its administration (FAmA)
15:21:05 <robyduck> one of the main topics we need to find out, is to have a FAmA, as he is involved actively in the new process
15:22:15 <robyduck> giannisk wanted to help with that, and I can also support him. Should we ask an experienced mentor outside of FAmSCo?
15:22:29 <robyduck> what do you think about that?
15:23:21 <itamarjp> I think if there's someone willing to help we should give the opportunity, no matter if its experienced or not.
15:23:24 <robyduck> we can also start with 2, and see how it works
15:23:26 <jonatoni> I'm +1 to get also help from other mentors outside FAmSCo
15:24:40 <robyduck> mailga fredlima ?
15:25:25 <mailga> good question..... I don't think being in FAmSCo would be mandatory.
15:25:31 <fredlima> +1 to get in touch with an mentor, but also agreed with itamarjp
15:25:38 <mailga> +1 also outside of FAmSCo
15:25:54 <robyduck> we could send out a post to the fama-mentors list and see if anyone is willing to take this responsibility
15:26:14 <nb> !
15:26:24 <robyduck> in case he needs help, giannisk can support him
15:26:28 <robyduck> nb: go!
15:27:09 <nb> So, as for locking down the mentors page, it would be easy to restrict it to wikiadmins only.  How often do you anticipate changing that page? I am wondering if we could go with that option.  Restricting it to a given set of users, i.e. FAmSCo would be more complicated.
15:27:26 <nb> I am a wikiadmin and I would volunteer to update it upon request from FAmSCo if you wanted to just go that route
15:27:41 <nb> and there are 5-10 other admins that could update it if i wasn't available
15:28:08 <robyduck> nb: yes, I asked also patrick, and he said, the best would be to lock it completely and if we need a change, to ask for it. wikiadmins can open it shortly and then relock it again. Correct?
15:28:39 <nb> robyduck, yes
15:28:40 <robyduck> nb: I don't see we will do many changes in a year. Let's say 3 or 4?
15:28:46 <robyduck> maybe 5?
15:28:53 <nb> robyduck, i think that would be the best way then, yes
15:29:19 <robyduck> nb: thanks a bunch for volunteering
15:29:32 <fredlima> nb++
15:29:46 <nb> robyduck, i will go protect it now
15:29:59 <robyduck> nb: no, wait a second
15:30:11 <nb> oh ok
15:30:13 <robyduck> we need still to update that page. It is wrong actually
15:30:26 <robyduck> giannisk has all data and will do that
15:30:50 <robyduck> once he is done we will ping you or reach out to you in some way?
15:31:27 <robyduck> maybe even a FAmSCo ticket and CCing you in there
15:32:01 <jonatoni> +1
15:32:01 <robyduck> so we can log even the requests
15:32:36 <nb> robyduck, that sounds good
15:32:52 <robyduck> cool :)
15:34:05 <robyduck> ok, back to the FAmA question
15:34:43 <robyduck> I guess I need to make the post, as that list is for mentors only :S
15:35:39 <robyduck> #action robyduck will ask mentors on the fama-mentors list if someone is willing to take the FAmA responsibility
15:36:53 <robyduck> and we are still not sone with that
15:36:58 <nb> what is the duties of fama?
15:37:08 <robyduck> the whole process need to be defined on the wiki too
15:37:37 * nb is wondering why we still have the tickets when the mentors sponsor people in trac themselveS?
15:38:16 <robyduck> nb: FAmA has its own repo on pagure, will make a new welcome message for new ambassadors, check if tickets need to be cleaned up, is in contact with FAmSCo for mentors nomination and removals
15:38:22 <robyduck> and some other things
15:38:57 <robyduck> nb: IMHO he needs to make a weekly check on these things, and eventually act on them
15:39:27 <robyduck> nb: thinking about taking that? :)
15:40:17 * nb considering, but not sure if he has time
15:40:29 <robyduck> nb: we have tickets for transparency and to give people who are being mentored an official trac, where they can follow the process
15:40:31 * nb will think about it
15:40:44 <robyduck> ok ;)
15:42:11 <robyduck> so, about the wiki: we can take part of the writeup we do, but it needs to be written into the wiki and in a place where people can easily find it
15:43:16 <robyduck> mailga: you are our mktg man here, can you think about that? Or is anyone else willing?
15:43:43 <mailga> well I have to read back, I was on the phone....
15:44:13 <robyduck> it's about writing the mentor's nomination and removal process into the wiki
15:44:51 <mailga> is it a mktg task? Not a commops task?
15:45:16 <robyduck> neither probably
15:45:53 <mailga> uhm..
15:46:11 <robyduck> ok we can figure that out, should not be too difficult to do, or?
15:46:29 <mailga> Of course I can file a ticket in both groups.
15:46:51 <robyduck> mailga: no, not a ticket, we write that as FAmSCo
15:47:48 <mailga> so the question is if I've spare time do to this, right?
15:47:58 <robyduck> correct :P
15:48:25 <mailga> I have no time for doing, but if you give me some days I could make it.
15:48:48 * robyduck agrees with that
15:49:13 <mailga> action me with a deadline.
15:50:26 <robyduck> #action mailga will write the new mentors' nomination and removal process to the wiki within the next week (04/21)
15:50:44 <mailga> thanks.
15:50:49 <robyduck> #topic Open Floor
15:51:36 <robyduck> we have some minutes left, so I would like to find a way to reach out to all regions, and make sure they bring bexelbie's post up during their meeting
15:51:45 <robyduck> https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-council-fad-2017-report/
15:52:23 <robyduck> The Council is also asking for feedback, which should be written on the council-discuss list
15:52:33 <robyduck> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/council-discuss@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/HQPSNVKBI3LTUVH6SVJZ7BMUVOPQJLCZ/
15:52:47 <robyduck> nb: I think NA already discussed it, or?
15:52:58 <robyduck> EMEA is today
15:53:10 <robyduck> itamarjp: fredlima: what about LATAM?
15:53:40 * robyduck is not sure about APAC at all
15:54:39 <mailga> who's the chair in the APAC meetings?
15:54:49 <itamarjp> looks good having a Flock in LATAM
15:56:01 <robyduck> mailga: not sure
15:56:46 <robyduck> itamarjp: the problem is probably the budget here (as also written in that post)
15:58:16 <robyduck> #info All regions should bring up bexelbie's post during their meeting and eventually discuss it
15:58:34 <robyduck> so, at least it shows up in the minutes too
15:58:51 <robyduck> if you don't have anything else, I'd end it for today
15:59:49 <mailga> nope
15:59:57 <robyduck> thank you all for coming and see you next week. Happy Easter to all of you.
15:59:59 <robyduck> #endmeeting