22:57:05 <echevemaster> #startmeeting Fedora Latam meeting 2017-04-29 22:57:06 <zodbot> Meeting started Sat Apr 29 22:57:05 2017 UTC. The chair is echevemaster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 22:57:06 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 22:57:06 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_latam_meeting_2017-04-29' 22:57:23 <echevemaster> #meetingname fedora-latam 22:57:23 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-latam' 22:57:39 <echevemaster> #topic Roll Call 22:57:48 <alexove> .fas alexove 22:57:49 <zodbot> alexove: alexove 'Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis' <alleinerwolf@gmail.com> 22:57:52 <echevemaster> .fas echevemaster 22:57:53 <zodbot> echevemaster: echevemaster 'Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado' <echevemaster@gmail.com> 22:58:05 * echevemaster Colombia - Venezuela. 22:58:11 * alexove = Peru 22:58:48 <yn1v> .fas yn1v 22:58:49 <zodbot> yn1v: yn1v 'Neville A. Cross' <yn1v@taygon.com> 22:58:58 * yn1v Nicaragua 22:59:11 <echevemaster> waiting for more people to start our first and only topic for today. 23:00:15 <echevemaster> potty, are you there, right? 23:00:24 <echevemaster> #chair potty yn1v 23:00:24 <zodbot> Current chairs: echevemaster potty yn1v 23:02:31 <chinosoliard> .fas chinosoliard 23:02:31 <zodbot> chinosoliard: asoliard 'Soliard, Adrian D.' <a.soliard@gmail.com> 23:02:35 * chinosoliard from Argentina 23:02:43 <chinosoliard> hi! 23:03:40 <potty> Hi 23:03:44 <potty> Always here 23:03:55 <potty> Ping me when my time have arrived 23:04:24 <echevemaster> potty, I'm not God,I can't say when you time has arrived 23:04:56 <echevemaster> #topic Stop approving lonely tickets, lets align events with new mission statement 23:05:12 <echevemaster> https://pagure.io/ambassadors-latam/tasks/issue/401 23:05:21 <echevemaster> potty, go ahead 23:06:16 <wmoreno> .fas williamjmorenor 23:06:16 <zodbot> wmoreno: williamjmorenor 'William Moreno' <williamjmorenor@gmail.com> 23:06:16 <itamarjp> .fas itamarjp 23:06:19 <zodbot> itamarjp: itamarjp 'Itamar Reis Peixoto' <itamar@ispbrasil.com.br> 23:06:41 * wmoreno is on the cellphone 23:06:51 <wmoreno> hello 23:06:57 <echevemaster> hello wmoreno. 23:07:12 <echevemaster> potty, go ahead. 23:07:18 <athos> hello :) 23:07:23 <wmoreno> hi echevemaster 23:07:31 <wmoreno> hi athos 23:09:24 <wmoreno> Lkf ? 23:09:37 <Lkf> ? 23:09:48 <potty> It is simple 23:09:51 <yn1v> .fas lkf 23:09:52 <zodbot> yn1v: yzhou 'Yingfu Zhou' <yolkfull@gmail.com> - dslkfjihj 'lkjsdfjf' <kdshfjh@maildrop.cc> - dfgfhklflkfg 'Ankita Sharma' <dfgfhklflkfg@mail.com> - jfyfik 'lfujf lkfjf' <3xog9j+23fekvs62ajbvw380@sharklasers.com> - blkf 'Michael Liang' <blkfcn@gmail.com> - dslkfjkjh 'sdelfklkf' <ieafqoonspfj@dropmail.me> - jkjoillm 'hjlkffdd' <ImaHogg@SharedMailbox.org> - sdlkfjihj 'lkjskfh' <rqsg1x7@dispostable.com> - rinku4 'kdfjf' (2 more messages) 23:09:53 <potty> We overspent the budget 23:10:08 <potty> I have to write a ticket to Council explaining this behavior 23:10:17 <potty> Hoping they could approve extra budget for us 23:10:32 <potty> 2600 aprox spent / 1300 allocated 23:11:22 <potty> No more tickets will be approved right now 23:11:29 <potty> Until further news 23:11:40 <potty> I will keep you up to date within the open issue 23:11:43 <potty> On Pagure 23:11:46 <potty> Any questions? 23:11:50 <athos> ! 23:11:58 <echevemaster> go ahead athos 23:11:58 <potty> Athos 23:13:32 <athos> do you need help opening that ticket? I volunteer to do whatever you need :) As I see, reimbursements are frozen and that's not fair with the ones waiting. OK, we made a mistake, let's move on and see what we can do 23:13:41 <echevemaster> potty, Can you talk about what do you mean with align events with the new mission statement, in order that people could understand what's going on? 23:13:42 <potty> No extra hands are needed 23:14:04 <potty> I am currently the treasurer, I should be able to respond our expenses 23:14:13 <potty> My support is Neville and FCAIC 23:14:20 <potty> s/is/are 23:14:25 <wmoreno> pregunta: se justifica el monto ejecutado de mas? 23:14:28 <potty> So dont worry and wait 23:14:37 <potty> wmoreno: i got some reasons 23:15:05 <potty> So wait for my ticket in Council 23:15:13 <athos> eof 23:15:29 <potty> I already spoke to FCAIC. He is aware and willing to help on this situation. 23:15:32 <wmoreno> cool 23:15:37 <potty> Missing only Council 23:15:43 <potty> After this meeting 23:15:46 <potty> I will open it 23:15:49 <echevemaster> potty, please answer my question when you can, or if you want we can talk about it in another ticket. 23:15:55 <potty> But i wanted to you know all the inside 23:16:05 <potty> echevemaster: to your question 23:16:12 <potty> We are doing events wrongly 23:16:16 <potty> First 23:16:26 <potty> The Project expect us to make budget per event 23:16:33 <potty> We basically move per country 23:16:34 <wmoreno> i have not seen many flisol reports and we spent a lot of budget in flisol 23:16:38 <potty> For example 23:16:43 <potty> Flisol 23:16:50 <potty> We do not have a global flisol budget 23:16:59 <potty> But per country flisol tickets 23:17:03 <potty> Not correct 23:17:10 <echevemaster> wmoreno, please let's talk potty first, and after that please share your thoughts 23:17:19 <potty> The right thing to do is to identify the event 23:17:22 <potty> Determine the objectives 23:17:28 <potty> And positive impact for the project 23:17:37 <potty> Then distribute the budget to each participant country 23:17:55 <chinosoliard> +1 23:18:02 <chinosoliard> ! 23:18:07 <potty> Also another missing thing 23:18:09 <itamarjp> we overspend because we are paying traveling for fedora contributors, flisol should be a local event with no travelling. 23:18:15 <potty> Is reporting as wmoreno 23:18:17 <potty> Mentioned 23:18:35 <chinosoliard> I was thinking the same that itamarjp 23:18:39 <potty> We make small reports 23:18:44 <potty> Not big impact 23:18:47 <chinosoliard> We must try to make FLISoL a local event 23:18:59 <potty> So to correct here is to have a global report per country 23:19:08 <potty> With quantitative positive impact for the project 23:19:25 <chinosoliard> One of the things I learn with Fedora is to take the initiative. If it's no FLISoL event organized on my city, I should organize 23:19:32 <chinosoliard> that's what I do every year 23:19:37 <alexove> potty: ¿Como mides el impacto? 23:19:48 <potty> itamarjp: maybe that is a reason but is not the root cause 23:20:12 <potty> chinosoliard: that is good, but we have to coordinate as region, not per country basis 23:20:23 <chinosoliard> potty: we can make numbers to see what's going on 23:20:26 <echevemaster> this is something written in somewhere? remember, sadly latam not obey nothing if this is not written. 23:20:26 <potty> alexove: impact is measure on the success metrics we define for the events 23:20:39 <itamarjp> the money we spend in travelling we should spend in stuff to give-away in flisol (marketing material, folders, usb stickers, etc...) 23:21:07 <echevemaster> sadly in latam, if something is not written, people don't want or not remember that it's a rule.. 23:21:14 <potty> alexove: for example if it is a tech event maybe a metric could be packages in-process to be included in repo 23:21:27 <chinosoliard> It's true that we need to go, sometimes, to places where there's no contributors, or there are no SL community 23:21:33 <potty> alexove: another example could be non tech event where the metric could be new users or new contributors 23:21:36 <potty> Maybe installations 23:21:47 <athos> the problem has nothing to do with traveling, we simply failed in setting a limit to the tickets we approved. After the budget was reached, we should have stopped approving tickets 23:21:57 <potty> itamarjp: that could be a feasible solution but traveling is not the problem 23:22:05 <yn1v> flisol is about new users, so how many installations were made... may be one of the metrics 23:22:16 <potty> itamarjp: maybe we have to explore new areas where ambassadors have not yet explored and set a community there 23:22:24 <itamarjp> athos, I agree with you. 23:22:32 <echevemaster> ok. people, potty is right. we have to start to give a clear objective to events. 23:22:50 <potty> athos: you are correct. But limiting was a double edge weapon 23:22:53 <echevemaster> and this have to be one of the reasons to approve events. 23:23:00 <potty> athos: let me explain you why 23:23:13 <chinosoliard> potty: that is! in Nicaragua, ambassadors went to places to create a new community 23:23:39 <potty> Latam learned that have to be more active on local events, so we started to participate more (creating more tickets) but the problem is that we discovered this too late 23:23:41 <itamarjp> potty, we have to spend only what fedora allowed us to, overspend is bad. 23:23:44 <alyaj2a> .fas alyaj2a 23:23:45 <zodbot> alyaj2a: alyaj2a 'Aly Yuliza Machaca Mamani' <alyaj2a@gmail.com> 23:23:52 <potty> Organizational changes pushed to a limited budget 23:24:07 <potty> If we limited on the budget (which was the smallest) 23:24:15 * alyaj2a from Peru 23:24:17 <potty> We could basically have nothing for flisol 23:24:28 <potty> Which is a major event for latam 23:24:41 <potty> I took the risk 23:24:44 <potty> Now is payoff 23:24:56 <athos> potty: I agree, we did a good job with the massive participation in FLISOL (reports pending). Bad timing and bad planning :( 23:25:01 <potty> Repxo 23:25:05 <potty> Reports are pending 23:25:08 <potty> That might help out 23:25:11 <potty> With council 23:25:17 <potty> Questilns? 23:25:26 <echevemaster> please, people, share your reports ASAP 23:25:36 <athos> shall I send an email to FLISOL participants asking for reports? :) 23:26:00 <athos> I can ask each of them individually and collect the links ;) 23:26:10 <echevemaster> athos, ambassadors have to make reports. that is their task 23:26:21 * chinosoliard was very busy last week, is going to write report tomorroy or past 23:27:04 <athos> OK :) 23:27:12 <echevemaster> ok, so what will be the actions? 23:27:14 <echevemaster> one 23:27:34 <echevemaster> #action Ambassadors should send reports this week (Flisol) 23:27:39 <chinosoliard> athos: I was recovering hours lost in FLISoL at work this week. I think we can wait some days 23:27:48 <alexove> ! 23:27:50 <chinosoliard> ok 23:27:52 <echevemaster> alexove, go ahead 23:28:14 <echevemaster> thanks potty I think there are no more questions 23:28:23 <echevemaster> thanks for your explanation. 23:28:24 <alexove> Sugiero que este tipo de dudas lo hagan por la lista de correo o en el ticket de pagure para discutirlo con orden y calma 23:28:34 <echevemaster> It's something needed to create the new budget? 23:28:36 * chinosoliard agreed with alexove 23:28:38 <echevemaster> potty, ? 23:28:47 <alexove> y debemos tomarnos el tiempo para mejorar 23:28:57 <alexove> tengo un anuncio para openfloor 23:28:58 <alexove> eof 23:29:01 <echevemaster> we have to start to work in the new budget planning? 23:29:04 <echevemaster> potty, ? 23:29:13 <potty> echevemaster: we have to work ln that 23:29:21 <potty> echevemaster: yes 23:29:35 <potty> I will update that on the issue opened 23:29:42 <potty> :) 23:29:47 <yn1v> alexove suggest that this kind of doubts are done by mailing list or in pagure, so it can be discussed at ease. We should take the time to improve 23:30:05 <echevemaster> ok, how? I think could be interesting, since now, give objectives to every events in the planning of the new budget 23:30:07 <yn1v> alexove, also has an announcement for open floor 23:30:15 <echevemaster> yn1v, riht 23:30:23 <echevemaster> thanks 23:30:30 <echevemaster> #topic OpenFloor 23:30:35 <echevemaster> go ahead alexove 23:30:44 <alexove> jajajaja 23:30:47 <alexove> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017 23:31:07 <alexove> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017 23:31:16 <yn1v> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017 23:31:22 <alexove> Es una propuesta en la que estoy trabajando justamente para mejorar todas nuestras actividades 23:32:16 <potty> Lo ideal es que sea virtual, pero estoy de acuerdo 23:32:25 <yn1v> alexove said that it is a proposal were he is working focused on improve our activities 23:32:59 <yn1v> potty said, that will be better to do it virtually, but he agrees 23:33:54 <echevemaster> alexove, when this could be considered a finished proposal? 23:34:21 <echevemaster> do you need input for other people? 23:34:33 <chinosoliard> what about covering some things with next Q budget, and do it in Q3 or Q4? 23:34:41 <chinosoliard> sorry, Q3... 23:34:52 <yn1v> I will love to go to Cuzco, but I think that there are cities that are better connected in LATAM that will make travel cheaper, like Sao Paolo or Panama 23:34:57 <athos> IF this is to be in person, as suggested, June sounds way too soon. 23:35:16 <echevemaster> alexove, consider yn1v is saying. 23:35:35 <echevemaster> you can do it in Panama for example. 23:35:49 <athos> if this is to happen in são paulo, as suggested, I'd love to help organizing, finding a venue to host the event and maybe even hosting 1 or 2 of you in my place :) 23:35:52 <echevemaster> or Brazil. 23:36:25 <echevemaster> but the important is... alexove please share the clear onbjectives for this one. 23:37:18 <echevemaster> ok, I think all it's clear for now. 23:37:26 <echevemaster> Anyone else wants add something? 23:38:15 <echevemaster> people? 23:38:27 <athos> not from here 23:38:29 <athos> :) 23:38:32 <echevemaster> athos, chinosoliard potty yn1v 23:38:33 <echevemaster> ? 23:38:34 <echevemaster> ok 23:38:42 <echevemaster> so, thanks for attending.. 23:38:46 <chinosoliard> mmm... 23:38:49 <echevemaster> see you the next week. 23:38:54 <echevemaster> chinosoliard, ?? 23:39:00 <chinosoliard> I had something to say, but I really don't remember :-/ 23:39:06 <chinosoliard> days ago... 23:39:08 <echevemaster> hehehe 23:39:15 <echevemaster> please take your medicine, 23:39:25 <chinosoliard> ¬¬ 23:39:29 <itamarjp> ! 23:39:31 <itamarjp> I filled a ticket, https://pagure.io/ambassadors-latam/tasks/issue/402 23:39:35 <yn1v> potty++ 23:39:45 <itamarjp> about new New mentor nomination and removal process 23:40:59 <chinosoliard> ! 23:41:09 <chinosoliard> I'll need a mentor in Argentina 23:41:41 <echevemaster> chinosoliard, go ahead and nominate yourself 23:41:47 <chinosoliard> 'cause valentinbasel, delete and Matias_Arg are away 23:41:57 <chinosoliard> I need to explain 23:42:25 <echevemaster> so, you need to remove first to valentin, delete and matias. 23:42:28 <chinosoliard> that they are not away from the project, they are without time 23:42:48 <echevemaster> it's the same 23:42:49 <echevemaster> chinosoliard, 23:43:02 <echevemaster> in a practical way 23:43:50 <chinosoliard> I've sent several mails to the mail list (arg), and didn't fet response... only from ezq, villadalmine, and 2 more people that, for example, in FLISoL, did not colaborate 23:44:26 * chinosoliard was very angry because 1 person was an installer in FLISoL CABA, but not for Fedora 23:45:01 <echevemaster> chinosoliard, as I said before, please open a ticket and nominate yourself, if you want, if not please nominate to another person to make it possible 23:45:11 <echevemaster> chinosoliard, do you want to nominate yourself? 23:45:25 <chinosoliard> I should assume that they're not compromised with the project 23:45:36 <wmoreno> just a note, I will finish the flisol badge, send me your reports and I will grant the badge, badges grandted are also a good metric 23:45:53 <chinosoliard> I can nominate myself, but this is because it will no represent a very hard work for me... 23:46:04 <yn1v> I do not understand the need for a mentor form a specific country, we need somebody form latam that has the time to help new ambassadors/collaborators 23:46:06 <chinosoliard> we need to recreate Argentina community 23:46:34 <chinosoliard> yn1v: that is! 23:46:38 <echevemaster> chinosoliard, read yn1v intervention. he is right. 23:46:44 <chinosoliard> yes, he is 23:47:13 <wmoreno> we need to rethink latam 23:47:28 <chinosoliard> but one thing... that itamarjp will be agree, I estimate 23:47:35 <yn1v> so, you need help on mailing list, irc and other communications to answer questions. If we use country mailing list we are dividing our capacity to respond 23:47:37 <chinosoliard> we need to clean some groups! 23:47:44 <chinosoliard> wmoreno++ :-) 23:48:20 <echevemaster> all of us, sometimes we don't have enough time, and this is normal, but always we have to left new people take the seat 23:48:26 <chinosoliard> Argentina community, last years, were villadalmine, ezq and me 23:48:26 <wmoreno> if we move to es users list? 23:49:04 <echevemaster> wmoreno, I'm not following you. 23:49:07 <echevemaster> what do you mean? 23:49:18 <chinosoliard> echevemaster: I understand that! But I don't understand why people that don't have time to collaborate , have time to travel 23:49:43 <chinosoliard> or spend Fedora budget in things that aren't needed 23:50:04 <chinosoliard> I was viewing some videos days ago... and see a video from FISL 200* 23:50:05 <yn1v> because it is more easy to be hero one day that deal with tiny stuff in a daily basis 23:50:19 <chinosoliard> a guy from Uruguay went to FISL with Fedora Latam budget 23:50:22 <wmoreno> about country groups, we can give support in the es users mailing list, I am on phone, sorry 23:50:27 <echevemaster> yn1v++ 23:50:27 <zodbot> echevemaster: Karma for yn1v changed to 9 (for the f25 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 23:50:27 <chinosoliard> anyone know who is this guy? 23:50:47 <wmoreno> chinosoliard have a point 23:51:14 <yn1v> I do not see traveling as a white/black issue 23:51:14 <wmoreno> yn1v have another good point 23:51:24 <echevemaster> FISL?? what version chinosoliard 23:51:36 <chinosoliard> yn1v: it's not a white/black issue, it's a budget issue 23:51:49 <chinosoliard> echevemaster: wait, I'll find it right now 23:52:03 <echevemaster> chinosoliard, always has been a budget issue. 23:52:11 <echevemaster> even in Flock is a budget issue.. 23:52:29 <chinosoliard> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH7sIbhJbuI 23:52:36 <yn1v> in the other hand ... towels with logo and squeeze bottles with logo ... that really is beyond me 23:52:37 <echevemaster> rules are the key here, and guidelines 23:52:57 <wmoreno> chinosoliard++ 23:53:15 <chinosoliard> yn1v: yes! it is! 23:53:23 <echevemaster> chinosoliard, he is marcelo ribeiro dantas, 23:53:32 <athos> Once again, I invite ppl to comment on the proposal for rewriting latam reimbursement rules :) 23:53:46 <echevemaster> athos, please send an email to people 23:53:48 <athos> To at least disagree with them :) 23:54:13 <williamjmorenor> yn1v++ 23:54:38 <chinosoliard> echevemaster: this one: https://youtu.be/tH7sIbhJbuI?t=37m41s 23:55:03 <chinosoliard> his name is Diego ** 23:55:06 <williamjmorenor> I DO agree with Neville about towels 23:55:21 <echevemaster> chinosoliard, he is diego daguerre from uruguay 23:55:38 <chinosoliard> I DO agree with yn1v with towels and bottles 23:55:45 <echevemaster> williamjmorenor, I have my thoughts about that issue. 23:55:56 <chinosoliard> echevemaster: I know... When was the last time you see him online? 23:55:57 <echevemaster> but. I prefer not talk about it. 23:56:24 <echevemaster> chinosoliard, in that year 23:56:30 <chinosoliard> you see? 23:56:54 <chinosoliard> we need to fidelize users/contributos before spend budget on him 23:57:18 <yn1v> that towel event was more expensive than the budget allocated for Flisol San Cristobal that has two flight ticket... please let the flisol travelling alone 23:57:24 <echevemaster> chinosoliard, always we have people with that problem. but at least, of the number of people in that FISL, we are all here. 23:57:58 <echevemaster> yn1v, hehehe 23:58:15 <chinosoliard> that is because we have a budget, and we need to care about it 23:58:30 <echevemaster> well people,I think the point is clear, please share your thoughts in the ticket 23:58:36 <echevemaster> and good bye 23:58:53 <echevemaster> 5 23:58:54 <echevemaster> 4 23:58:55 <echevemaster> 3 23:58:56 <echevemaster> 2 23:58:57 <echevemaster> 1 23:59:02 <echevemaster> #endmeeting