23:01:16 <echevemaster> #startmeeting Fedora Latam Meeting 2017-05-13
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23:01:20 <athos> hello ;)
23:01:31 <fredlima> .fas fredlima
23:01:32 <zodbot> fredlima: fredlima 'Frederico Henrique Gonçalves Lima' <fred@fredericolima.com.br>
23:01:35 * fredlima Brazil
23:01:40 <echevemaster> #meetingname fedora-latam
23:01:40 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-latam'
23:01:46 <alexove> . fas alexove
23:01:47 <zodbot> alexove: alexove 'Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis' <alleinerwolf@gmail.com>
23:01:47 <echevemaster> Hello athos and fredlima
23:01:53 <fredlima> hello echevemaster
23:01:54 * alexove = Perú
23:02:03 <echevemaster> #chair fredlima athos alexove
23:02:03 <zodbot> Current chairs: alexove athos echevemaster fredlima
23:02:26 <echevemaster> #topic Roll Call
23:02:27 <danniel> .fas danniel
23:02:28 <zodbot> danniel: kuroneko02 'Danniel Justavino' <justavinod@hotmail.com> - danni 'danniele' <jordon@openmailbox.org> - danniel 'Daniel Lara Souza' <daniellarasouza@yahoo.com.br> - hdanniel 'Hector Paz' <hdanniel@gmail.com>
23:02:39 <douglax> .fas aacosta
23:02:39 <zodbot> douglax: aacosta 'Alejandro Acosta' <alxacostaa@gmail.com>
23:02:40 <echevemaster> .fas echevemaster
23:02:43 <zodbot> echevemaster: echevemaster 'Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado' <echevemaster@gmail.com>
23:02:49 * douglax from México
23:02:54 * echevemaster Colombia - Venezuela
23:03:29 <x3mboy> .fas x3mboy
23:03:29 <zodbot> x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com>
23:03:36 * x3mboy Chile - Venezuela
23:05:13 <echevemaster> ok, I'm checking Pagure and there are only a ticket, and that ticket will be delayed until the next Q
23:05:21 <x3mboy> !
23:05:27 <echevemaster> go ahead x3mboy
23:05:41 <x3mboy> I have an important topic to discuss
23:06:02 <echevemaster> #chair x3mboy
23:06:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: alexove athos echevemaster fredlima x3mboy
23:06:13 <itamarjp> .fas itamarjp
23:06:13 <zodbot> itamarjp: itamarjp 'Itamar Reis Peixoto' <itamar@ispbrasil.com.br>
23:06:16 <echevemaster> use topic word x3mboy
23:06:29 <x3mboy> Give me a second to locate a link
23:06:33 <x3mboy> Just a minute
23:06:35 <tonet666p> hi guys
23:06:39 <tonet666p> .fas tonet666p
23:06:39 <zodbot> tonet666p: tonet666p 'Tonet Jallo' <tonet666p@gmail.com>
23:06:44 * tonet666p from Perú
23:06:46 <echevemaster> tonet666p, hi
23:07:47 <echevemaster> ok x3mboy please when you start use the word 'topic' after a pound and the title of the topic
23:07:55 <x3mboy> Ok
23:08:26 <x3mboy> #topic FUDCon News
23:08:37 <echevemaster> go ahead x3mboy
23:08:48 <x3mboy> Well, I sent an email this Thursday
23:08:56 <x3mboy> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/embajadores-fedora-latam@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/63XJTLQX5O3TN46GHNJDOPEK6T7PPF3I/
23:09:10 <alyaj2a> .fas alyaj2a
23:09:11 <zodbot> alyaj2a: alyaj2a 'Aly Yuliza Machaca Mamani' <alyaj2a@gmail.com>
23:09:22 * alyaj2a from Peru
23:09:29 <x3mboy> Brian Exelbierd was online on the telegram Channel
23:09:49 <x3mboy> And he want to clarify to us that FUDCon budget wasn't directly cut
23:10:13 <athos> bexelbie, ping in case you are there and interested ^
23:10:17 <x3mboy> Some of his words: FUDCon budget lines were removed as the current FUDCons weren't having the kind of impact they were supposed to.  By removing those budget line items we didn't eliminate the money
23:10:46 <x3mboy> Ah, and he reviewed the email before I sent to the list
23:10:50 * bexelbie lurks
23:10:57 <x3mboy> bexelbie, o/
23:10:58 <echevemaster> So there are good news, FUDCon is possible yet. The only requirement is to
23:10:58 <echevemaster> be clear about the objectives we want to accomplish with having a FUDCon in
23:10:58 <echevemaster> an specific location.
23:12:02 <echevemaster> this is something we were saying to all, every year. Fudcon should and must have defined objectives.
23:12:09 <x3mboy> echevemaster, yes. bexelbie can be more specific, but the reality is that objective needs to be really clear about objectives and how to measure that
23:12:20 <x3mboy> s/that/them/g
23:12:40 <echevemaster> every people that have hosted the Fudcon knows this.
23:13:01 <athos> !
23:13:12 <echevemaster> one of the things, Fudcon should not be for talks.
23:13:14 <echevemaster> athos,
23:13:16 <echevemaster> go ahead
23:13:29 <itamarjp> in my opinion theres no FUDCon this year, because Fedora is not going to choose between Latinoware, Colombia and Panama
23:13:33 <echevemaster> Fudcon should be for direct contributions and plans
23:13:57 <athos> As I understood this week, the proposal for a fudcon in latinoware is no longer on the table
23:14:20 <echevemaster> neither in Colombia or Panama athos
23:14:20 <tonet666p> then, it name going to need be changed, specifically the part where say "conference"
23:14:28 <alexove> !
23:14:35 <echevemaster> tonet666p, please check the thesaurus
23:14:40 <echevemaster> alexove, go ahead
23:14:45 <bexelbie> !
23:14:46 <athos> so IF anyone is still willing to propose sth, one should go ahead and do it and we should set deadlines for that
23:14:49 <echevemaster> bexelbie,
23:14:50 <athos> EOF
23:15:14 <tonet666p> echevemaster, ok
23:15:18 <chinosoliard> hi all
23:15:20 <chinosoliard> .fas chinosoliard
23:15:21 <echevemaster> tonet666p, please set your point and after that bexelbie
23:15:21 <zodbot> chinosoliard: asoliard 'Soliard, Adrian D.' <a.soliard@gmail.com>
23:15:24 * chinosoliard from Argentina
23:15:32 <alexove> Los FUDCon tienen una forma definida y tiene Charlas talleres, hacklabs y fudpub
23:15:44 <alexove> Sin esas actividades sería otro tipo de evento
23:15:54 <bexelbie> .hello bex
23:15:55 <zodbot> bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' <bex@pobox.com>
23:16:04 <echevemaster> ok alexove
23:16:09 <echevemaster> go ahead bexelbie
23:16:12 <bexelbie> I consider it very possible that we could have a FUDCon LATAM this year, but only if we know why we are doing it.  It isn't the case that Fedora won't choose, it is the case that you have to make a case for why and what will happen.  Talks can happen at FUDCon - if that is what is the best way to handle things.
23:16:21 <bexelbie> EOM
23:16:24 <alexove> No fudcon, si tienen alguna duda al respecto la wiki ayudará
23:16:26 <alexove> Eof
23:16:58 <echevemaster> bexelbie, thanks
23:17:24 <echevemaster> guys, latest fudcon has been events without a defined ojective or a limited objective
23:17:44 <athos> I have no interest in organizing a FUDCon myself, since I do not have the time for now. I would love to see a technical FAD in LATAM though... :)
23:18:01 <echevemaster> if you want a Fudcon, you should define objectives and acomplish them
23:18:13 <echevemaster> athos, good point
23:18:30 <x3mboy> !
23:18:33 <echevemaster> x3mboy,
23:18:36 <echevemaster> go ahead
23:19:29 <echevemaster> btw alexove tell me a latest Fudcon with hacklabs or workshops
23:19:34 <x3mboy> I see 2 things happening, one is that the thought of the lost of FUDCon give an impulse to do better things, I hope that the idea of having the FUDCon again don't let that pass
23:20:01 <x3mboy> Other thing is that people is thinking in the talks only in FUDCon.
23:20:14 * alexove says: lo haré, organizare, etc. No digan quisiera que se haga esto o aquello....
23:20:16 <echevemaster> x3mboy, it happen even in NA, because of that, the Flock,this could be the way or reinvent us
23:20:40 <tonet666p> alexove++
23:20:40 <zodbot> tonet666p: Karma for alexove changed to 4 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
23:20:45 <tonet666p> alexove+1
23:21:08 <echevemaster> ok, we have the window opened now.
23:21:32 <echevemaster> if you want to continue the idea to make the Fudcon  (with clear objectives), go ahead
23:21:49 <x3mboy> I hope it will be good if Bids are updated with the info detailed in the email
23:21:56 <echevemaster> if not, take into account, that could be the last time for Fudcon as we know it
23:22:45 <echevemaster> so, if the interested countries wants to send clear objectives to Redhat to deserve make the Fudcon
23:22:48 <echevemaster> go ahead
23:22:52 <x3mboy> For me, this year is impossible to leave the country and my job, but if anybody needs my help with anything, I will be glad to help
23:22:54 <bexelbie> !
23:23:08 <echevemaster> bexelbie, go ahead
23:23:11 <bexelbie> We are sending objectives for FUDCon to Red Hat
23:23:21 <bexelbie> the region plus the Fedora Council make the decision
23:23:32 <bexelbie> Red Hat has put its faith in Fedora's community
23:23:35 <bexelbie> EOM
23:23:54 <echevemaster> s/redhat/Fedora council
23:24:40 <echevemaster> bexelbie, thanks for your clarification, from me, when I talk about funds, is Redhat. but yes, we have to call the things as they are
23:25:34 <echevemaster> ok, guys the ball is wheeling again, who wants to play with her?
23:26:04 <echevemaster> athos, send an email to the list explaining the case
23:26:16 <echevemaster> and open a ticket in Paguree too
23:26:17 <echevemaster> please
23:26:25 <bexelbie> !
23:26:31 <echevemaster> bexelbie, go ahead
23:26:40 <athos> I will ;)
23:26:42 <bexelbie> I wonder if it might be useful to think about this from a different angle
23:26:52 <bexelbie> instead of trying to figure out how to plan a FUDCon
23:26:57 <bexelbie> figure out what you want to accomplish in the region
23:27:05 <bexelbie> What audience do you want to attract?
23:27:21 <bexelbie> What do you want them to do after you contact them? (i.e. install Fedora, contribute, etc.)
23:27:27 <alexove> !
23:27:32 <bexelbie> What are you going to do to influence their behavior?
23:27:38 <bexelbie> Then figure out the best way to do that
23:27:48 <bexelbie> You may find that the best way is a FUDCon or you may find something else
23:27:54 <bexelbie> but let your objectives guide your actions
23:28:02 <chinosoliard> bexelbie :: What are you going to do to influence their behavior? <- bexelbie++
23:28:02 <zodbot> chinosoliard: Karma for bex changed to 16 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
23:28:04 <echevemaster> bexelbie, that is the point, we are talked as region all this month.
23:28:06 <echevemaster> alexove,
23:28:07 <bexelbie> This may also be something that a Planning FAD is required to help out with
23:28:09 <athos> bexelbie++
23:28:09 <zodbot> athos: Karma for bex changed to 17 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
23:28:10 <alexove> Ayúdenme con el inglés por favor
23:28:19 <alexove> Bex tiene razón
23:28:20 <echevemaster> alexove, go ahead
23:28:23 <bexelbie> it may also be something you can figure out
23:28:24 <bexelbie> EOM
23:28:34 <alexove> Nuestros objeto dirigen  nuestras actividades
23:28:34 <echevemaster> from alexove, bex, you're right
23:28:42 <alexove> Pero 6
23:28:49 <echevemaster> from alexove,our objectives leads our activities
23:28:58 <yoseft7> Hola a todos
23:29:01 <alexove> Pero los objetivos deben ir alineados a la misión
23:29:18 <bexelbie> echevemaster, ty for translating - i appreciate it.
23:29:21 <alexove> Y la misión acaba de salir publicada hace poco
23:29:23 <echevemaster> from alexove, but the objectives sould be aligned with the mission
23:29:54 <echevemaster> from alexove, and the mission was published a few months ago
23:30:04 <yoseft7> =)
23:30:08 <echevemaster> s/should/should
23:30:14 <echevemaster> s/should/should
23:30:19 <echevemaster> s/sould/should
23:30:26 <echevemaster> damn keyboard
23:30:31 <bexelbie> :D
23:30:35 <bexelbie> echevemaster++
23:30:35 <zodbot> bexelbie: Karma for echevemaster changed to 8 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
23:30:50 <x3mboy> bexelbie++
23:30:52 <alexove> Y debemos poder los objetivos pero recién se acaba de publicar un artículo para recoger ideas de como medirlo
23:30:53 <x3mboy> echevemaster++
23:30:56 <alexove> Esto me parece ilógico
23:31:06 * bexelbie hopes everyone here is feeling like they can add to the mission discussion - your voices are critical
23:31:17 <athos> alexove: the mission is not changed yet, we are still willing to promote free software advance and that's why I want to be part of this community :)
23:31:46 <chinosoliard> athos++
23:31:49 <alexove> Se debe de establecer estas políticas primero para poder poner nuestros propios objetivos y ayudar a fedora
23:31:58 <echevemaster> alexove, take into account somethig, even NA had to re think their objectives, Fudcon or Flock have to happen with a clear objective
23:32:09 <alexove> Athos por favor busca la misión de la comunidad
23:32:14 <chinosoliard> bexelbie: I came late, I'm trying to understand everything here
23:32:20 <alexove> Salió hace poco
23:32:29 <echevemaster> bexelbie, the alexove question is, how measure this objectives and be aligned
23:32:38 <echevemaster> ?
23:32:52 <alexove> Por eso creo que plantear objetivos en este momento para FUDCon es inviable
23:32:54 <x3mboy> alexove, it's a draft yet
23:33:02 <alexove> Debemos esperar
23:33:08 <x3mboy> Even bexelbie just invite us to help in the discussion
23:33:12 <chinosoliard> alexove :: Por eso creo que plantear objetivos en este momento para FUDCon es inviable <- Agree
23:33:20 <athos> alexove: from the wiki: "The Fedora Project's mission is to lead the advancement of Free and open source software and content as a collaborative community. "
23:33:29 <x3mboy> bexelbie hopes everyone here is feeling like they can add to the mission discussion - your voices are critical < -- alexove
23:33:39 <alexove> X3mboy un borrador es un borrador no es nada definitivo
23:33:41 <alexove> Eof
23:33:54 <bexelbie> !
23:34:01 <echevemaster> bexelbie, go ahead
23:34:02 <bexelbie> answering alexove, that is a hard question to answer.  I think it is important that if we are targeting users we can demonstrate we have done the work to prepare for the event and have a way to follow up afterward.  Then we can see if we can see activity in our user community - maybe we should create one that is more focused ofr LATAM if that is an objective.  If we are going after contributors, people like Bee can help with meassurements
23:34:05 <bexelbie> EOM
23:34:26 <athos> !
23:34:34 <echevemaster> I think it is important that if we are targeting users we can demonstrate we have done the work to prepare for the event and have a way to follow up afterward
23:34:41 <echevemaster> see this point above
23:34:50 * alexove no pretende ofender a nadie
23:35:08 <echevemaster> I, potty and neville said to you avery time before a Fudcon
23:35:16 <echevemaster> we have to have a plan
23:35:28 <echevemaster> and this is not a something new
23:35:30 * x3mboy always hope and understand good will behind Fedora Community words
23:35:46 <echevemaster> athos, go ahead
23:35:59 <athos> bexelbie: Do you think it's possible to have those 'state of fedora' charts per region, or would that be too "invasive" for users?
23:36:04 * potty is listening in the corner
23:36:19 <bexelbie> athos, I think it is possible
23:36:27 * bexelbie doesn't know how easy it is
23:36:37 <bexelbie> There is a statistics GSoC student this summer
23:36:44 <bexelbie> lets work with sayan and bee on it
23:37:06 <athos> awesome :)
23:37:08 <echevemaster> great!
23:37:09 <x3mboy> !
23:37:13 <athos> I did not know about it
23:37:13 <echevemaster> x3mboy, go ahead
23:37:21 <x3mboy> I said it before FLISoL
23:37:28 <x3mboy> Follow up needs to be done
23:37:54 <x3mboy> We only take the work to organize the event, make as much installations as we can, but we never do follow up
23:38:00 <athos> I do have some ideas :) check https://athoscr.fedorapeople.org/pkgs_not_reviewed.png
23:38:21 <x3mboy> I do something different this year and I have 2 good users working with Fedora
23:38:33 <x3mboy> s/do/did/g
23:38:49 <chinosoliard> x3mboy++
23:39:00 <echevemaster> athos, please don't send the email, first we will elaborate it and let clear the objective
23:39:01 <athos> Maybe I could do that per region contributors (both the review requests and the reviews)
23:39:05 <athos> ok
23:39:17 <echevemaster> I could do not, athos. I will do
23:39:30 <chinosoliard> athos :: I do have some ideas :) check https://athoscr.fedorapeople.org/pkgs_not_reviewed.png <- We need to work in that
23:40:33 <athos> yes, there are cool things we could do with information in bugzilla! :)
23:40:41 <echevemaster> I'm very proud of you guys, for example in Packaging, we I started to packaging we only had 5 packagers, today we are more than 15, and three of them are sponsors
23:40:59 <echevemaster> take into account that we you talk abou define objectives
23:40:59 <athos> only 3?
23:41:12 <echevemaster> sorry athos 4
23:41:14 <echevemaster> you
23:41:37 <x3mboy> Well, that's EOF for my topic
23:41:47 <echevemaster> and also we have proven packagers... :)
23:41:59 <echevemaster> x3mboy, thanks for bring this on the table
23:42:20 <x3mboy> echevemaster, glad to
23:42:31 <x3mboy> I know how important is FUDCon un LATAM
23:42:33 <echevemaster> ok.
23:42:42 <echevemaster> #topic OpenFloor
23:43:16 <alyaj2a> amigos tengo un ticket
23:43:16 <x3mboy> Good people of Latam
23:43:17 <alyaj2a> https://pagure.io/ambassadors-latam/tasks/issue/406
23:43:49 <echevemaster> alyaj2a, this ticket will be delayed until the NEXT Q
23:44:21 <echevemaster> so, it will not be discussed today, but in the future
23:44:22 <alexove> Echevemaster, no se busca aprobarlo ahora sino que se tenga listo para el siguiente trimestre
23:44:55 <echevemaster> alexove, does not make sense talk about the ticket today, so please discuss on the ticket
23:45:08 <x3mboy> !
23:45:15 <echevemaster> alyaj2a, do you wnat to invite people to discuss right?
23:45:20 <echevemaster> x3mboy, go ahead
23:45:45 <echevemaster> btw, it's open floor, raising the hand is not required
23:45:46 <x3mboy> Why we just discuss tickets to approval in meetings?
23:45:58 <alyaj2a> echevemaster: ok
23:46:12 <echevemaster> x3mboy, is not required if it takes some time
23:46:13 <athos> x3mboy: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Athoscr/LATAM_tickets
23:46:40 <athos> this is my proposal :) feel free to add to it, change it and push if further if you like
23:47:02 <echevemaster> so, alyaj2a please invite throught the email list, to all the community to give their opinion
23:47:20 <x3mboy> echevemaster, Let me explain what I see: We create tickets and use the ML to "discuss" topics, anything important or not
23:47:30 <echevemaster> athos, I didn't see an email in the list inviting to people to read your proposal
23:47:37 <x3mboy> We use meetings to vote tickets for approval
23:47:44 <x3mboy> This is not effective
23:47:48 <alyaj2a> echevemaster: esto es una genial idea
23:47:56 <echevemaster> good point x3mboy
23:48:04 <athos> echevemaster: my bad, should have done that a while ago!
23:48:07 <x3mboy> I sent the email about FUDCon this Thursday, and nobady pay attention
23:48:12 <x3mboy> nobody*
23:48:34 <echevemaster> I undestand your point, is discuss everything on the tickets, and voting in the meetings
23:48:35 <x3mboy> We should use meetings to discuss and Pagure to velections
23:48:46 <echevemaster> x3mboy, it happens.
23:49:02 <x3mboy> echevemaster, I feel it doesn't happens
23:49:04 <chinosoliard> x3mboy: I did! Giving no response != pay attention :-P... Sorry!
23:49:10 <echevemaster> take into account something
23:49:23 <echevemaster> you are discussing Fudcon things today
23:49:24 <x3mboy> But can be my perception
23:49:33 <echevemaster> and all the people here are discussing,
23:49:41 <echevemaster> you sent the email to the list
23:49:42 <x3mboy> chinosoliard, I know you did, we discuss it this morning or yesterday
23:49:47 <echevemaster> nobody see it
23:49:53 <echevemaster> but
23:50:16 <echevemaster> if you send both, people dont have the opportunity to say
23:50:17 <chinosoliard> x3mboy :: chinosoliard, I know you did, we discuss it this morning or yesterday <- :-/ I was drunk! (?)
23:50:25 <echevemaster> I don't now any about thiss
23:50:40 <echevemaster> clear x3mboy
23:50:55 <x3mboy> echevemaster, clear
23:51:00 <echevemaster> so, people,when you need discuss something, share it
23:51:15 <echevemaster> it's the best way to implies more eyes
23:51:25 <echevemaster> May I close this meeting
23:51:25 <echevemaster> ?
23:51:27 <fredlima> chinosoliard: agreed
23:51:35 <alexove> Echevemaster ++
23:51:36 <x3mboy> echevemaster, good for me
23:51:42 <x3mboy> Close it
23:51:45 <athos> x3mboy: want to work on that proposal with me before I send the email or should I send it and we can discuss it there?
23:51:48 <echevemaster> thanks guys
23:51:49 <athos> yes, close it echevemaster
23:51:51 <athos> :)
23:51:55 * chinosoliard wants to (re)call people to try to be present on IRC, and assist/help new people that wants help or contribute
23:52:00 <echevemaster> may the force be with you
23:52:05 <echevemaster> athos, send to the list
23:52:19 <echevemaster> #endmeeting