23:02:28 <alexove> #startmeeting Fedora Latam Ambassadors metting
23:02:28 <zodbot> Meeting started Sat Jun  3 23:02:28 2017 UTC.  The chair is alexove. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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23:03:01 <alexove> #topic rollcall
23:03:06 <alexove> .fas alexove
23:03:08 <zodbot> alexove: alexove 'Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis' <alleinerwolf@gmail.com>
23:03:16 * mayorga reads.
23:03:40 <itamarjp> .fas itamarjp
23:03:41 <zodbot> itamarjp: itamarjp 'Itamar Reis Peixoto' <itamar@ispbrasil.com.br>
23:03:46 <danniel> .fas danniel
23:03:48 <zodbot> danniel: kuroneko02 'Danniel Justavino' <justavinod@hotmail.com> - danniel 'Daniel Lara Souza' <daniellarasouza@yahoo.com.br> - danni 'danniele' <jordon@openmailbox.org> - hdanniel 'Hector Paz' <hdanniel@gmail.com>
23:05:47 <alexove> #chair itamarjp
23:05:47 <zodbot> Current chairs: alexove itamarjp
23:06:31 <alexove> let's wait a bit
23:08:01 <alexove> #link https://pagure.io/ambassadors-latam/tasks/issues?status=Open&tags=Meeting
23:08:09 <alexove> This is our agenda
23:08:48 <yn1v[m]> .fas yn1v
23:08:50 <zodbot> yn1v[m]: yn1v 'Neville A. Cross' <yn1v@taygon.com>
23:09:13 * yn1v[m] = Nicaragua
23:09:17 <alexove> #chair yn1v
23:09:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: alexove itamarjp yn1v
23:09:59 <alexove> #chair echevemaster
23:09:59 <zodbot> Current chairs: alexove echevemaster itamarjp yn1v
23:10:14 * echevemaster reads
23:10:56 <echevemaster> .fas echevemaster
23:10:56 <zodbot> echevemaster: echevemaster 'Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado' <echevemaster@gmail.com>
23:11:03 * echevemaster Venezuela Colombia
23:12:01 * alexove = Peru
23:14:55 <porfiriopaiz> Hi everyone.
23:14:59 <alexove> Buenas noches a todos
23:15:10 <porfiriopaiz> .fas porfiriopaiz
23:15:10 <zodbot> porfiriopaiz: porfiriopaiz 'Porfirio Andrés Páiz Carrasco' <porfiriopaiz@gmail.com>
23:15:12 <alexove> empezaremos con el ticket más antiguo abierto
23:15:14 <danniel> Buenas
23:15:18 * porfiriopaiz from Managua in Nicaragua.
23:15:26 <alexove> #topic Ticket 390
23:15:33 <chinosoliard> .fas chinosoliard
23:15:33 <zodbot> chinosoliard: asoliard 'Soliard, Adrian D.' <me@chinosoliard.com>
23:15:34 <alexove> #link https://pagure.io/ambassadors-latam/tasks/issue/390
23:15:37 * chinosoliard from Arg
23:15:47 * chinosoliard is late. Sorry
23:17:19 <alexove> ping williamjmorenor
23:17:56 <alexove> Parece que no esta
23:18:03 <alexove> seguimos con el siguiente ticket
23:18:18 <alexove> #topic Ticket 402
23:18:29 <alexove> #link https://pagure.io/ambassadors-latam/tasks/issue/402
23:18:38 <alexove> itamarjp please :-)
23:18:41 * porfiriopaiz was reading 390...
23:19:22 <itamarjp> any suggestion about ticket 402 ?
23:19:55 <echevemaster> That ticket is decided, they will be the mentors
23:20:07 <echevemaster> There are something to add there?
23:20:13 <echevemaster> itamarjp?
23:20:42 <itamarjp> any extra candidates ?
23:21:09 <echevemaster> Do you think we need more candidates?
23:21:30 <echevemaster> I think that yes
23:21:45 <echevemaster> It's someone wants add their name go ahead
23:22:04 <chinosoliard> that ticket was decided 2 weeks ago?
23:22:10 <chinosoliard> I'm a little confused
23:22:16 <echevemaster> For now, we will leave this for the next week..
23:22:20 <itamarjp> someone from FAmSCo will run a script to verify if theres some ambassadors inactive
23:22:26 <itamarjp> and will contact current mentors,
23:22:31 <itamarjp> and ask if they are alive,
23:22:57 <echevemaster> Ok, all the mentors are inactive, itamarjp?
23:23:14 <echevemaster> If so I recommend you add another name from Brazil
23:23:20 <itamarjp> I am waiting for this, and them we are going to propose new names.
23:23:33 <itamarjp> echevemaster, only some of them .
23:23:54 <echevemaster> Ok so we wil
23:24:00 <echevemaster> Let's open this
23:24:09 <echevemaster> Waiting for that script
23:24:43 <echevemaster> alexove next ticket
23:25:08 <alexove> #topic Ticket 406
23:25:11 <porfiriopaiz> Congrats to the new Mentors :)
23:25:12 <alexove> #link https://pagure.io/ambassadors-latam/tasks/issue/406
23:25:15 <chinosoliard> ! I'll propose x3mboy, I think he is an active ambassador
23:25:36 * porfiriopaiz nods.
23:25:45 <chinosoliard> itamarjp> someone from FAmSCo will run a script to verify if theres some ambassadors inactive <- If this happens
23:26:13 <itamarjp> chinosoliard, the guy will be removed from ambassador group,
23:26:14 <alexove> chinosoliard: por favor si quieres proponer a x3mboy ponte en contacto con Itamarjp despues del meeting :-)
23:26:48 <chinosoliard> alexove: I'll wait until the script run :-)
23:26:53 <chinosoliard> itamarjp: w?
23:27:41 <itamarjp> chinosoliard : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification
23:27:53 <alexove> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Swag_latam
23:28:32 <chinosoliard> .chairs
23:28:36 <alexove> Amigos, solo dos paises pusieron sus requerimientos de swags
23:29:17 <alexove> por favor los que les falta poner sus requerimientos haganlo a la brevedad posible
23:29:24 <chinosoliard> alexove: I'm so sorry, I've been busy! I'm completely lost with mails, tickets, and everything
23:29:25 <alexove> alguna opinion respecto a esto?
23:31:05 <yn1v[m]> o?
23:31:08 <chinosoliard> itamarjp: I can't understand what you mean with "the guy will be removed"
23:31:19 <yn1v[m]> o/
23:31:24 <itamarjp> chinosoliard, takeout from ambassador group,
23:31:48 <itamarjp> and not listed in ambassador verification page as ambassador.
23:32:09 <chinosoliard> he is in Chile, I can see
23:33:20 <chinosoliard> alexove: I'm in doubt with that swag. But is a personal perception. I need to think a little in that. Because here in .ar I've produced swag for FLISoL, and I already have some stickers. Here there aren't more active contributors
23:33:24 <sr_kraken_m> .fas sr_kraken
23:33:24 <zodbot> sr_kraken_m: 'sr_kraken' Not Found!
23:33:40 <sr_kraken_m> .fas srkraken
23:33:42 <zodbot> sr_kraken_m: srkraken 'Efren Antonio Robledo Moreno' <efren.a.rm@gmail.com>
23:34:19 <alexove> chinosoliar: en cualquier caso, evalua lo que necesites (si es que necesitas) y lo pones en la wiki, eso es todo :-)
23:34:40 <alexove> yn1v[m] adelante por favor
23:34:52 <yn1v[m]> Reagardin swag
23:35:20 <chinosoliard> alexove: I'll do, but sometimes I think that is more expensive sending than producing here... That's why I said that I need to rethink this
23:35:38 <yn1v[m]> I think that we should go with whaever swag is avalaible at the moment and take time to desing and request something custom made
23:36:27 <yn1v[m]> that's why I think to ask for whatever is already produced by redhat or comunity.
23:36:32 <alexove> chinosoliard: por favor, yn1c[m] esta con la palabra
23:36:41 <yn1v[m]> eof
23:36:56 <alexove> ahora si chinosoliard, deseas comentar algo?
23:38:11 <alexove> yn1v[m]++
23:38:14 <chinosoliard> sorry, alexove, I only want to say that
23:38:31 <alexove> gracias yn1v[n] chinosoliard
23:38:33 <chinosoliard> alexove: delete [m] from yn1v[m] to give him a cookie
23:38:38 <alexove> algun comentario más?
23:38:44 <alexove> yn1v++
23:39:21 <alexove> #topic Ticket 407
23:39:28 <alexove> #link https://pagure.io/ambassadors-latam/tasks/issue/407
23:40:16 <alexove> Hice modificaciones en la propuesta de FAD
23:42:04 <alexove> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Latam_2017
23:42:13 <alexove> esta es la propuesta actualizada
23:42:38 <alexove> El costo para la propuesta de Cusco se redujo a $4 605.00
23:42:52 <alexove> La de Lima es de $4 734.00
23:43:27 <itamarjp> same costs if Julita attend the event in cusco.
23:44:06 <alexove> de la misma forma los objetivos fueron actualizados
23:44:12 <alexove> y tambien la agenda
23:44:34 <porfiriopaiz> !
23:44:45 <alexove> porfiriopaiz adelante
23:45:38 <porfiriopaiz> Initially nobody else showed a real interest on organazing this aiming to provide a space to discuss and solve internal issues.
23:46:01 <porfiriopaiz> So from my humble point of view I will vote for Cusco.
23:46:28 <yn1v[m]> o/
23:46:33 * alexove por favor terminar con EOF o EOM
23:46:33 <porfiriopaiz> eof
23:46:40 <porfiriopaiz> :^)
23:46:42 <alexove> yn1v adelante
23:47:05 <yn1v[m]> I think the same as porfiriopaiz
23:47:16 <yn1v[m]> but I want to add that we should leave room
23:47:31 <yn1v[m]> to each country to select their representative.
23:47:49 <yn1v[m]> I don't want to be imposed onto others
23:47:53 <itamarjp> yn1v[m]++
23:48:09 <yn1v[m]> eof
23:48:24 <alexove> genial yn1v
23:48:27 <alexove> yn1v++
23:48:48 <chinosoliard> yn1v++ :-)
23:48:59 <alexove> Bueno entonces dejamos a que cada pais elija a su representante
23:49:24 <chinosoliard> si, en .ar va a estar bueno que la gente que nunca aparece elija quien va a una reunión...
23:49:31 <chinosoliard> argentina es un caso atípico
23:49:31 <itamarjp> I am going to use that idea in case our FUDCon proposal  approved.
23:49:48 <chinosoliard> <itamarjp> I am going to use that idea in case our FUDCon proposal  approved <- itamarjp++
23:50:07 <alexove> para cuando podriamos tener los nombres de los representantes elegidos?
23:50:09 <chinosoliard> but remember, itamarjp, that event organizers decide who
23:50:41 <alexove> muchachos, enfoquemonos en el FAD en este momento
23:51:13 <porfiriopaiz> ^
23:51:55 * sr_kraken_m concuerdo con el comentario sobre la gente que asiste a las juntas enfocado a los embajadores de Mexico
23:52:06 <echevemaster> Remember choose an active ambassador for each country
23:52:10 <alexove> Para cuando podemos tener los nombres de estos representantes
23:52:35 <chinosoliard> sr_kraken_m: suggestion: stop using "/me" :-)
23:52:44 <alexove> si los embajadores elegidos viven en las capitales de sus paises los presupuestos no cambian
23:53:10 <yn1v[m]> i think that the objectives and goals are pretty good. I would throw somewhere that we need to find our target audiences to focus our efforts, but is just same thing writen in other form. that's why I am saying about representatives and not about the contend of the FAD
23:53:17 <porfiriopaiz> I am happy with our representative yn1v.
23:53:18 <sr_kraken_m> ok chinosoliard
23:54:44 <alexove> Les parece bien tener los nombres de los representantes para la siguiente reunion?
23:54:51 <chinosoliard> !
23:55:00 <chinosoliard> What I've to do, for example?
23:55:05 <alexove> adelante chinosoliard
23:55:31 <chinosoliard> I've no problem on being Argentina representative, because I actually do
23:55:45 <alexove> Creo que si nadie le pone interes tu serias el candidato perfecto
23:55:51 <porfiriopaiz> !
23:56:07 <yn1v[m]> chinosoliard: you are on you own, you don't have to consult other people that is not active colaborating on your country... most likely they will suport you anyway
23:56:17 <alexove> yn1v++
23:56:18 <porfiriopaiz> yn1v++
23:56:19 <chinosoliard> I'm not happy about this, because NOBODY is active in .ar, and, maybe if I send an email, anyone from the ambassador list in arg will be automatically acive
23:56:29 <chinosoliard> so... use common sense
23:56:34 <porfiriopaiz> chinosoliard you are the only one :^)
23:56:48 <yn1v[m]> if you wish write a personal email to your collegues in AR.
23:56:57 <chinosoliard> porfiriopaiz: people here is sleeping after FUDCon Cordoba
23:57:03 <chinosoliard> but I've to explain
23:57:09 <chinosoliard> some are away
23:57:13 <echevemaster> chinosoliard you are the last Jedi
23:57:20 <chinosoliard> some leave the country
23:57:28 <sr_kraken_m> echevemaster: lol
23:57:29 <porfiriopaiz> chinosoliard: You are the only one showing up to the regular meetings.
23:57:33 <chinosoliard> and some have problems
23:57:37 <yn1v[m]> shh ... don't wake them up ;-)
23:57:46 <chinosoliard> so, It's not the same situation for everyone
23:58:40 <alexove> Pregunto de nuevo, cuando tendremos los nombres de los representantes de cada pais?
23:59:02 <echevemaster> Alexove don't ask
23:59:05 <chinosoliard> +1 for next week
23:59:11 <echevemaster> Just put a deadlkmw
23:59:15 <echevemaster> Deadline
23:59:57 <alexove> echevemaster++
00:00:33 <alexove> La fecha final sera el 10 de junio (2017-06-10)
00:00:34 <sr_kraken_m> +1 for next week
00:00:58 <alexove> #action Every country must choose their representative until 2017-06-10
00:01:21 <sr_kraken_m> deacuerdo Alexove "Sirve de que me entero mejor de que va esto"
00:02:59 <alexove> sr_kraken: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Latam_2017
00:03:37 <sr_kraken_m> "Efectivamente estoy revisándolo" Gracias alexove
00:03:53 <alexove> Respecto a los objetivos y la agenda, ¿alguna sugerencia?
00:04:34 <chinosoliard> alexove: I read the agenda. I look awesome :-)
00:05:21 <yn1v[m]> I think it is very ambitious, we should prioritize topics, so we at least make sure we acomplish fully some of them. We will having plenty of discussion that my sidetrack.
00:05:41 <yn1v[m]> s/ my /may
00:05:55 <yn1v[m]> eof
00:07:38 <alexove> Creo que tienes razon, pero con que se cubran la mayoria de temas sera un buen resultado, además habra tiempo de planificar algunos asuntos preliminares
00:07:47 <alexove> porque tal como lo puse en muy general
00:08:06 <alexove> gracias yn1v por el alcance
00:08:14 <alexove> ¿alguien más desea aportar algo?
00:09:34 <sr_kraken_m> alexove: aun me puedo agregar como participante
00:10:25 <chinosoliard> alexove: What about the date? It's decided?
00:10:31 <sr_kraken_m> "no veo a nadie de México "
00:10:42 <chinosoliard> because It's very close
00:10:57 <alexove> sr_kraken, si eres el unico en tu pais y te comprometes a ser más activo y cumplir los objetivos que se plantearan no veo ningun inconveniente
00:11:13 <porfiriopaiz> !
00:11:38 <alexove> chinosoliard, modifique las fechas por bex, porque el tiene solo esos dias libres y es importante que él este presente
00:11:43 <alexove> adelante porfiriopaiz
00:12:41 <porfiriopaiz> Sorry but I don't see this as a Reginal Meeting in which every contry must have a representative.
00:12:54 <porfiriopaiz> /Reginal/Regional/
00:13:15 <porfiriopaiz> sr_kraken_m should start by organizing events or something else.
00:13:35 <mayorga> !
00:13:36 <porfiriopaiz> I don't see the need or previews merits.
00:13:51 <porfiriopaiz> On the other hand.
00:14:30 <porfiriopaiz> If there is a real interest on learning more about the project and become an active contributor then I see no problem.
00:14:43 <porfiriopaiz> Let's try to make wise use of the funds.
00:14:45 <alexove> porfiriopaiz, es necesario tener un filtro, si una persona asiste y no cumple todo el esfuerzo que hacemos sera en vano
00:15:35 <porfiriopaiz> eof
00:15:36 * alexove por favor no olviden terminar con EOF o EOM
00:15:42 <alexove> gracias porfiriopaiz
00:15:47 <alexove> mayorga adelante
00:15:50 <mayorga> Brazil is huge, I think more than one representative would make sense for them.
00:15:56 <mayorga> EOF
00:16:08 <porfiriopaiz> mayorga++
00:16:36 <yn1v[m]> i think that we should value expertise, people that know how to run this kind of meetings, people that know how to make strategic planning will contribute to have better results.
00:17:18 <alexove> El problema en ese caso es que se haran votaciones y el consejo de bex es que estemos en igualdad de condiciones (numero de representantes equitativos)
00:17:50 <alexove> yn1v: Por eso quiero que vengas a Cusco ;-)
00:18:49 <yn1v[m]> that can be sorted out during the meeting, splitting votes or assinging vote to only one person, but still have the input from another part of brazil ... which is very diverse as well
00:18:53 <alexove> pero si logramos hacerlo en el Cusco puedo conseguir apoyo de personas experimentadas en los aspectos que mencionas, es más, para elaboracion de la agenda fui asesorado por un amigo que conoce estas cosas
00:19:07 <mayorga> I do not see that as an unfair advantage, as you can still allocate one vote for .br.
00:20:16 <mayorga> I second yn1v's point.
00:20:31 <alexove> Además que los amigos de Brasil tienen la opcion de reunirse en FISL y Latinoware para compartir los acuerdos
00:21:13 <alexove> respecto a lo ultimo, como dije, si se realiza en Cusco puedo movilizar a gente experta en el tema de planes estrategicos y además que tengo algunas nociones de ello :-)
00:21:18 * alexove modestia aparte
00:21:25 <alexove> Alguna sugerencia más?
00:22:38 <yn1v[m]> we are over the time allocated for the meeting, we should close the meeting soon ... if there is nothing else
00:23:05 * mayorga has nothing to add.
00:23:10 <porfiriopaiz> .nextmeetings
00:23:10 <zodbot> porfiriopaiz: One moment, please...  Looking up the channel list.
00:23:13 <alexove> Muchachos, creo que ya que no hay más sugerencias respecto a los objetivos y la agenda, el resto de cosas podemos trasladarlo a la lista de correos
00:23:13 <zodbot> porfiriopaiz: In #fedora-meeting-2 is Workstation WG (starting in 2 days)
00:23:16 <zodbot> porfiriopaiz: In #fedora-meeting-1 is Fedora QA Devel Meeting (starting in 2 days)
00:23:19 <zodbot> porfiriopaiz: In #fedora-meeting is Fedora Docs Weekly Meeting (starting in 2 days)
00:23:22 <zodbot> porfiriopaiz: In #fedora-meeting-2 is Fedora Release Engineering (starting in 2 days)
00:23:25 <zodbot> porfiriopaiz: In #fedora-meeting-3 is Fedora Join (starting in 2 days)
00:24:08 <alexove> Con esto volvere a presentar la propuesta en FAMSco y al Council, si alguien desea apoyarme en estos tramites sean bienvenidos
00:24:15 <alexove> #topic openfloor
00:24:24 <alexove> Algun tema que alguien quiera tratar?
00:25:13 * porfiriopaiz has nothing to add.
00:25:29 <alexove> Cerrando el meeting en
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00:25:39 <alexove> #endmeeting