22:58:56 #startmeeting Fedora Latam meeting 2017-06-17 22:58:56 Meeting started Sat Jun 17 22:58:56 2017 UTC. The chair is echevemaster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 22:58:56 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 22:58:56 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_latam_meeting_2017-06-17' 22:59:07 #meetingname fedora-latam 22:59:07 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-latam' 22:59:15 #topic Roll Call 22:59:20 .fas echevemaster 22:59:21 echevemaster: echevemaster 'Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado' 22:59:25 .fas douglax 22:59:25 douglax: aacosta 'Alejandro Acosta' 22:59:26 * echevemaster Colombia - Venezuela 22:59:36 * douglax from México 23:00:07 .fas chinosoliard 23:00:08 chinosoliard: asoliard 'Soliard, Adrian D.' 23:00:09 * chinosoliard from Arg 23:00:18 hola a todos 23:00:19 .fas yulytas 23:00:20 yulytas: yulytas 'Julita Inca Chiroque' 23:00:38 Guys, is Pagure down for you? 23:00:58 .fas x3mboy 23:00:59 x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' 23:01:06 Hola chicos, estoy en clases por el cel en caso no conteste o se caiga la conexión 23:01:32 #chair x3mboy chinosoliard 23:01:32 Current chairs: chinosoliard echevemaster x3mboy 23:02:06 x3mboy, chinosoliard is pager down for you? 23:02:17 S/pager/pagure 23:02:18 pagure? 23:02:30 yes!! 23:02:46 It looks like 23:02:47 ok, seems we don't have pagure today. 23:03:13 Well, there was 3 meeting tickets 23:03:14 But the topic for today it's simple, we need to choose the venue for the FAD 23:03:19 .fas alexove 23:03:19 alexove: alexove 'Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis' 23:03:22 It's up now 23:03:26 * alexove = Peru 23:03:29 ok, let's go 23:03:30 The Pagure I mean 23:03:39 ! 23:03:54 .fas Richzendy 23:03:55 Richzendy: richzendy 'Edwind Richzendy Contreras Soto' 23:04:04 #chair alexove 23:04:04 Current chairs: alexove chinosoliard echevemaster x3mboy 23:04:10 yulytas, go ahead 23:04:30 #topic Fedora 26 Ambassadors Team Tasks 23:04:41 I did another ticket 417 just in case and i am ok if FAD is in Lima 23:05:11 EOF 23:05:14 .hellomynameis lin 23:05:15 JuanCarlosLin2: lin 'Juan Carlos YJ Lin' 23:05:22 Is someone worked on the Ambassadors team tasks? 23:06:10 No directly, but FAmSCo had put a call for Release Parties 23:06:13 * alexove buscando el ticket 23:06:22 Please, remember we have to make plans accordingly to this calendar 23:06:59 So, please put your thoughts on the ticket 23:07:05 Next topic, then. 23:07:06 +1 23:07:12 ! 23:07:34 x3mboy, go ahead 23:07:37 Is the ambassador calendar up-to-date? https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-26/f-26-ambassadors-tasks.html 23:08:37 IDK 23:08:46 Ok 23:08:55 Move on, I can mind this later 23:09:00 We have to ask to in here https://pagure.io/fedora-project-schedule/ 23:09:21 #topic Representatives for FAD Latam 23:09:28 https://pagure.io/ambassadors-latam/tasks/issue/414 23:09:49 .hellomynameis lin 23:09:50 JuanCarlosLin: lin 'Juan Carlos YJ Lin' 23:10:04 All the countries have been decided what are their representatives? 23:10:09 ! 23:10:15 alexove, go ahead 23:10:52 Hola todos, hasta el momento solo falta conocer al representante de Brasil e Itamar me confirmara esa información el lunes 23:11:22 no creo que sea problema el quorum de brasil, hay bastantes representantes allá 23:11:26 y la gran novedad es que habra un representante venezolano, el representante el PeloBravo .-) 23:11:34 :-) 23:11:46 Great! 23:12:00 alexove, EOF? 23:12:03 .fas srkraken 23:12:04 sr_kraken_m: srkraken 'Efren Antonio Robledo Moreno' 23:12:16 richzendy: Itamar hace unas semanas atras me dijo que no podria venir y no pudo buscar un reemplazo 23:12:25 asi que el lunes me confirma y todo estara completo 23:12:26 EOF 23:12:53 alexove, igual, de parte de Venezuela yo voy a estar muy pendiente de todo, si hay algún problema o algo me avisan por favor 23:13:00 alexove, I think Daniel could make it. 23:13:08 yo voy a asistir a pelobravo en la medida de mis posibilidades 23:13:16 en lo que pueda necesitar 23:13:29 Or, instead of him, fredlima 23:13:46 So, please ask directly on the ticket to them, if they could make it. 23:13:49 me from Paraguay 23:13:49 Agreed? 23:13:58 hola JuanCarlosLin 23:14:00 echevemaster, Itamar me confirmará el lunes, suponfo que él les pregunto a Daniel y Fred para esto 23:14:12 * sr_kraken_m From Mexico 23:14:46 .fas tonet666p 23:14:46 tonet666p: tonet666p 'Tonet Jallo' 23:14:56 * tonet666p from Perú 23:15:06 EOF 23:15:15 Ok, alexove, but the decision have to be clear on the ticket. 23:15:28 * chinosoliard is missing athos 23:15:32 Si, lo será 23:15:41 Well, I think we are ok with the representatives 23:16:00 ! 23:16:17 alexove, go ahead 23:16:29 No se considero a Paraguay, creo que podemos agregar a JuanCarlosLin 23:16:38 es el unico que se le ve por aca 23:16:46 que opinan 23:17:10 tampoco se consideró a El Salvador, y hay representantes allá 23:17:22 alexove, you have to add all the countries that have activity in the community, and he is one of them 23:17:25 I agree 23:17:33 Me too 23:17:48 I also agree with alexove :) 23:18:07 #topic Proposal for change the group meeting date/time. 23:18:20 https://pagure.io/ambassadors-latam/tasks/issue/415 23:20:11 My vote for this Is -1, why, Saturdays has been for many years the meeting's day, and change it could lead to don't have quorum on the weekdays because they are business days 23:20:26 So, please add your vote here, if you are agree or not. 23:20:33 My one is +1 23:20:38 -1 from me too 23:20:49 -1 23:20:52 ! 23:20:58 chinosoliard, go ahead 23:21:12 * alexove dice que es como la 3era vez que cambiariamos la fecha... 23:21:13 I think that the problem is not the time... It's interest :) 23:21:37 Hi \o 23:21:48 chinosoliard, the interested people is here. 23:21:49 Sorry, I'm late. 23:22:01 When we are voting fudcon tickets... 23:22:08 My vote is -1 I consider that many of those who are here are working during this time 23:22:08 there are a lot of attending people 23:22:20 my vote is -1, but... 23:22:44 -1 a mi no me gusta el día, pero también es cuestión de compromiso 23:22:44 chinosoliard, I can't disagree more with that. For me it's too hard to be at this time in meetings. I'm almost 24 hours in weekdays, weekends should be my rest 23:22:51 we NEED to improve votations! voting in pagure.io should be a partial solution 23:22:53 EOF 23:22:59 y bueno ya es como la tercera vez que se cambia de día 23:23:14 ! 23:23:32 yulytas, 23:23:36 Go ahead. 23:23:46 .fas alyaj2a 23:23:48 alyaj2a: alyaj2a 'Aly Yuliza Machaca Mamani' 23:24:05 * alyaj2a from Perú 23:24:37 I have sent my apologías by mail to not coming because of classes this semester and i think people could express his absent someday too 23:24:43 Eof 23:24:55 Ok, yulytas what's your vote? 23:25:07 -1 23:25:15 -1 23:25:18 -1 23:25:43 ! 23:25:46 -1 23:25:52 JuanCarlosLin, go ahead 23:26:06 may be the saturday just a little earlier? 23:26:30 eof 23:26:40 Makes sense to me. 23:27:25 earlier? 23:28:02 please, then put the hour In the ticket, and in one week will be decided 23:28:31 echevemaster++ 23:28:32 echevemaster, agree 23:28:34 #agreed (1,-9, 0) Latam has decided Saturdays will remain being the meetings day 23:28:41 .fasinfo davigarcia 23:28:42 davigarcia_: User: davigarcia, Name: None, email: davivcgarcia@gmail.com, Creation: 2012-04-24, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: None, Locale: None, GPG key ID: None, Status: active 23:28:45 davigarcia_: Approved Groups: fedora-br cla_fpca cla_done ambassadors 23:29:28 #topic Venue for FAD Latam 2017 23:29:36 Looks like I arrived too late... 23:29:39 https://pagure.io/ambassadors-latam/tasks/issue/416 23:30:03 FAD was go-go 23:30:15 So we need to decide what will be the venue of the FAD 23:30:34 Based on this we have two possible venues, Cusco and Lima 23:31:05 Both have almost the same cost, and in both cities we have great contributors 23:31:30 In Cusco we have the main FAD organizer, alexove 23:31:44 And in Lima we have another possible organizer yulytas 23:32:21 So, please decide here, what will be the venue 23:32:29 ! 23:32:34 alexove, go ahead 23:32:50 Para dar más valor agregado, en Cusco tengo un amigo especialista en planes y documentación gubernamental que puede aportar mucho, ya lo tengo comprometido 23:32:51 +1 FAD Lima :) 23:32:52 :-) 23:33:07 +1 FAD Cusco 23:33:21 Esperen a que echevemaster diga 23:33:26 todavia no voten 23:33:44 alexove, => So, please decide here, what will be the venue 23:33:47 que hace que los costos sean parecidos ? 23:33:59 entiendo que cusco es más caro en boletos aereos 23:34:01 Please vote. 23:34:05 +1 FAD Cusco 23:34:12 es más barato el alojamiento en cusco y eso compensa ? 23:34:19 Richzendy, al inicio mi propuesta era más cara pero me equivoque al hacer el cambio de soles a dolares y ajuste más el cinturon 23:34:42 además que el costo de vida es más barato 23:34:47 ah, entiendo 23:35:01 y la ciudad es más pequeña asi que el transporte tambien saldra barato 23:35:04 en ese caso Cusco, me parece que va a ser más relajado que estar en una gran ciudad 23:35:06 +1 Cusco 23:35:22 EOF 23:35:38 echevemaster, por favor pon orden en la votación :-) 23:36:07 alexove, Richzendy tuvo una pregunta valida 23:36:16 So, relaja el papo 23:36:28 Please, vote, people 23:36:39 +1 FAD Cusco 23:36:40 +1 Cusco 23:36:43 +1 Lima 23:36:46 +1 FAD Cusco 23:36:49 +1 Cusco 23:36:51 +1 Cusco 23:36:51 +1 Cusco 23:36:53 +1 Cusco 23:37:00 +1 Cusco 23:37:04 +1 Cusco 23:37:06 + Cusco 23:37:13 +1 Cusco 23:37:24 +1 lima 23:37:52 +1 Cusco 23:37:57 ++ itamar :) 23:38:12 +1 Cusco 23:38:30 +1 Lima 23:38:57 .fas leyla20 23:38:58 chinosoliard: leyla20 'leyla caroline marcelo chavarria' 23:39:03 (+13 Cusco, +3 Lima) 23:39:15 we need to conquer new places. 23:39:21 #agreed FAD venue, will be Cusco 23:39:28 Thanks Leyla and itamar :) 23:39:51 itamarjp: +1 23:40:11 itamarjp, you talked with Daniel or Fred in case you can't attend to the FAD? 23:40:21 * geek_cl So, 2016 Puno, 2017 Cuszo? 23:40:48 Yes geek_cl , seems Peru is the capital of the Fedora Ambassadors 23:41:01 hahahaa 23:41:02 #topic OpenFloor 23:41:14 #undo 23:41:14 Removing item from minutes: 23:41:33 ! 23:41:35 #topic Sponsorship to Workshop and Dinner to Fedora Lima members [CONECIT Tingo Maria 2017] 23:41:42 geek_cl, it's not a FUDCon 23:41:48 yulytas, yes, I know, I undo the topic 23:42:00 chinosoliard, it's true. 23:42:00 Thanks 23:42:07 ! 23:42:15 alexove, go ahead 23:42:26 nosotros tambien estamos aprobados para ir a ese evento 23:42:41 So?, whats your point? 23:42:42 alexove, igual quedo a disposición de tal vez participar de manera online si hay facilidad en el sitio de buen internet y en mi caso mi ISP me de buen servicio 23:43:22 Que si aprueban el ticket de Julita o incorporo a la pagina de wiki para hacer un solo gasto y organizacion 23:43:25 23:43:45 alexove, I don't understand your point 23:43:54 Me neither 23:43:55 * chinosoliard dinner? 23:43:57 yulytas, don't added people from Cusco there? 23:44:03 That is your point? 23:44:11 one reason for me to recommend Lima is because the internet speed. 23:44:32 yulytas, told me that their university has a high speed internet. 23:44:37 They asked Before each one q ticket, They did not include me not my people 23:45:03 yulytas, your people? What's means your people? 23:45:03 ! 23:45:14 last quarter we exceded budget... please, don't use budget for eating, if you were in your home, you ate equal 23:45:18 Waiit tonet666p 23:45:23 chinosoliard, wait 23:46:07 Sorry i am still in class 23:46:15 echevemaster, mi punto es que si aprueban el ticket de Yulytas los costos de lo que pide se incorpore a lo que ya estamos haciendo para que no se haga doble gasto en fees de paypal y banco 23:46:26 yulytas, again what's means? Your people? And why? If it's all the community go to the event, were not added 23:46:47 Lima people xd 23:47:01 My Students 23:47:01 There are no Lima or Cusco people 23:47:10 There are Peruvian Community 23:47:18 Ok ok 23:47:28 echevemaster> There are Peruvian Community <- yeap 23:47:32 We were not included 23:47:37 This issue again??? 23:47:54 This is something that I saw in your latest ticket, I don't want to see this division anymore 23:48:09 I was invited to conecit too 23:48:15 * x3mboy thinks that an internal FAD need to be done in Peru, to unify the community 23:48:17 Between cities, between countries, and between groups 23:48:25 So. 23:48:27 echevemaster++ 23:48:36 x3mboy, I�m not talking about this. 23:48:54 I'm talking about the division that have Yulitas between Lima and cusco 23:49:06 I don't want to see this in the FAD neither Peru 23:49:14 Please do not understand that 23:49:29 neither any country 23:49:34 You have already approved tickets for other Peruvians 23:49:59 !!! 23:50:01 But i was not included neither other Fedora contributors 23:50:10 alexove, go ahead 23:50:14 Vale, gracias 23:50:20 ! 23:50:29 Le sedo la palabra a Tonet 23:50:31 luego voy yo 23:50:33 EOF 23:50:36 * douglax apologies, wrong window 23:50:36 tonet666p, after alexove 23:50:40 ! 23:50:42 Fo tonet666p 23:50:42 ty 23:50:46 Go tonet666p 23:51:24 yulytas: stop it problem again, you know how is this work and how it should be 23:51:27 if you whant to get "your people" in this community, you need to get some ambassadors sponsor and make "your people" ambassadors 23:52:01 if you cant, tell us (latam), and we can help you 23:52:12 stop doing that things alone 23:52:15 EOF 23:52:24 x3mboy, go ahead 23:52:29 alexove, after x3mboy 23:53:10 En primer lugar, el trabajo que hicimos para conecit se hizo con anterioridad y se pretendio hacer participar a toda la gente posible 23:53:30 para esto se publico un mensaje de convocatoria en la lista de correos de Peru 23:53:38 #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/peru-users@lists.fedoraproject.org/2017/5/ 23:54:46 de los cuales se presentaron varias personas y por coordinación con el owner del evento se seleccionaron las ponencias aprobadas 23:54:59 Please do not get confused, you asked for your flight and hotel, my ticket is not about that 23:55:09 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Conecit:tingo_maria_2017#Sesiones_Propuestas 23:56:06 como ven, no se pretendio excluir a nadie de este evento sino al contrario 23:56:36 alexove, please the next time give visibility to these documents in the lists 23:56:38 e hicimos todo lo necesario para que este ticket se aprobara 23:56:42 Why? 23:57:01 es decir, wiki, tickets, coordinaciones,e tc 23:57:06 Because if we don't give visibility, these missunderstandings will continue.� 23:57:16 So, please vote the ticket 23:57:22 -1 23:57:28 EOF 23:57:30 BTW, my vote in this ticket is -1, why? By so disgusting comment, and because we are over the budget 23:57:39 -1 23:57:42 link, please? 23:57:57 chinosoliard> link, please? <- yes, please 23:57:59 The budget is for next period echevemaster 23:58:06 yulytas++ 23:58:07 alexove: Karma for yulytas changed to 6 (for the f25 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 23:58:11 https://pagure.io/ambassadors-latam/tasks/issue/417 chinosoliard 23:59:24 Sorry echevemaster, They are my Students and They helped so much and all the events are not mine, They support me and time ago 23:59:31 You, Peru, exclusively Lima and Cusco, have to work in groups, as main organizers and contributors have to make possible communication between you. 23:59:54 yulytas, why they are not in the community, so 00:00:31 It's so easy, invite them to belonging to the community. period 00:00:38 They havefas account and we are Preparing, They have wiki and Martín asked you to be his mentor 00:00:38 I said you in the list. 00:00:48 -1, I'm tired about seeing tickets asking for money for things like this. We've a lot of events to assists, and it's not commont seeing people asking for ballons 00:00:51 We are asking for mentors 00:01:17 I'm so sorry, yulytas, but we need to adjust our budget 00:01:20 Or dinner 00:01:38 x3mboy: exactly... 00:01:40 Chinosoliard ACM do ballpons as well as IBM 00:01:45 x3mboy, yeessss 00:02:06 yulytas, yes, Martin asked me to be his mentor, but I don't see any package from him. Are you blaming me? 00:02:06 Also, the thing that really bothers me is a ticket created 2 hours before the meeting 00:02:07 Again 00:02:09 I have been working for then and i know the ballpons are important 00:02:40 we're not IBM, we are a community with limited budget, and last quarter, we exceded because we expense budget in events for you 00:02:48 I will Going to give a KEy note with the name of Fedora 00:03:17 And no mention to the wiki page, that we already told is mandatory to approve budget for events 00:03:17 you must understand that we are a lot of people, we all need budget to realize our missions, and you are asking for ballons, dinner, towells, etc! 00:03:18 I did not ask for my flight not hotel as I did last year 00:03:35 yulytas: the whole point to of volunteering is that you do things without expecting returns... 00:03:42 yulytas, flights are more important than ballons! 00:04:07 You have approved tickets for conecit to Fedora Perú people and we were Also invited 00:04:18 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join 00:04:21 yulytas, please, don't think that I'm angry with you, I'm trying to teach you. We need to assist events, and do our work promoting Fedora 00:04:48 I arranged my itinerary and i did not ask that for Fedora 00:04:49 Last quarter I couldn't go andsec (http://www.andsec.org) because we were out of budget 00:05:11 tonet666p++ 00:05:12 A dese next period 00:06:23 * chinosoliard think that LATAM should stop producing "quick merchandise" 00:06:27 We are a group from Lima invited from tingo María 00:06:51 #agreed (0, -4, 0) This ticket is not approved 00:07:01 #topic Roll Call 00:07:05 #undo 00:07:05 Removing item from minutes: 00:07:15 #topic OpenFloor 00:07:20 IT is not fare 00:07:28 Some wants brings something to Openfloor 00:07:49 Yes echevemaster 00:08:06 ! 00:08:13 Why other Fedora people receive support and others dont ? 00:08:29 yulytas, wait, please! 00:08:29 davigarcia_ go ahead 00:08:34 Probably because the budget is finite. 00:09:16 They asked Also for next budget 00:09:38 The name of Fedora is in the web Thanks to Key notes 00:09:55 yulytas, because they follow the rules to receive support 00:10:01 correct 00:10:04 I will do a ticket for my flight, is that ok echevemaster? 00:10:07 Rules that have been told to you several times 00:10:10 yulytas: I understand your frustration, but your ticket was already voted. 00:10:27 !!! 00:10:38 Eof 00:10:49 yulytas, is always OK, respect the rules, and the people will vote 00:10:51 Ok, i understood that was not approved because the ballpons 00:10:55 yulytas, a lot of people has told me why yulytas are not having support from the community, I'm figuring out that you are looking for visibility using "your" students, don't respect rules, and always you are blaming to other people 00:11:09 Stop to do it, and you will see people will support you 00:11:17 !!! 00:11:30 go ahead alexove 00:11:39 Si yulytas esta de acuerdo, podemos postergar este ticket y mejorarlo para la semana que viene, creo que es momento de integrarnos de verdad 00:11:47 When did i blame one ? Could you please give me an example? 00:12:21 Ok my flight was the other ambassador is ok for me 00:12:28 los globos que pide no son descabellados para este evento por ejemplo,poque hay una feria tecnologica y los globos ayudarian 00:12:32 And the hotel as you alexove asked 00:12:49 además ya pasamos de trimestre y toca un nuevo budget 00:12:53 Si yulytas esta de acuerdo, podemos postergar este ticket y mejorarlo para la semana que viene, creo que es momento de integrarnos de verdad <- +! 00:12:53 Ok, if people i's ok, with this, go ahead 00:12:55 I did not ask for that, i did only ask for a release party there 00:13:00 Si yulytas esta de acuerdo, podemos postergar este ticket y mejorarlo para la semana que viene, creo que es momento de integrarnos de verdad <- +1 00:13:15 I vote for integration too 00:13:18 +1 00:13:36 yulytas, aceptas? 00:13:43 yo no pienso que los globos sean descabellados, de hecho yo tengo globos de fedora de hace años que en una oportunidad me dieron 00:14:15 si ella no acepta no creo poder lograr hacer nada, asi que esperare su respuesta 00:14:17 EOF 00:14:22 Agree in having the same oportunity as other Peruvians ambassador asked 00:14:41 you have the same opportunity 00:14:46