15:02:41 <robyduck> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2017-08-09
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15:02:44 <robyduck> #meetingname famsco
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15:02:46 <robyduck> #topic Roll Call
15:03:55 <robyduck> #chair jonatoni mailga itamarjp
15:03:55 <zodbot> Current chairs: itamarjp jonatoni mailga robyduck
15:04:25 <robyduck> .hello robyduck
15:04:26 <zodbot> robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' <robyduck@gmail.com>
15:05:23 <jonatoni> .fas jonatoni
15:05:24 <zodbot> jonatoni: jonatoni 'Jona Azizaj' <jonaazizaj@gmail.com>
15:05:32 <itamarjp> .hello itamarjp
15:05:33 <zodbot> itamarjp: itamarjp 'Itamar Reis Peixoto' <itamar@ispbrasil.com.br>
15:05:43 <robyduck> hi jonatoni itamarjp !
15:07:04 <jonatoni> hello robyduck
15:07:09 <robyduck> seems we don't have a quorum today
15:09:04 <robyduck> but ok, we have some tickets we should talk about and then move decisions to the ticket
15:09:24 <itamarjp> :-)
15:09:29 <robyduck> would be:
15:09:36 <robyduck> 1. LATAM mentors
15:09:52 <robyduck> 2. Split treasurer and CC card holder roler
15:10:26 <robyduck> 3. APAC budget requests
15:10:30 <robyduck> anything else?
15:11:50 <robyduck> #topic New LATAM mentors
15:12:07 <robyduck> this is https://pagure.io/famsco/issue/433
15:12:22 <robyduck> Tickets should go entirely to FAmSCo, not FAmA
15:13:20 <itamarjp> ok,
15:13:37 <robyduck> So we have 2 approved nominations from LATAM, one is alexove from Peru, the other Danniel from Brazil
15:13:46 <robyduck> .fasinfo alexove
15:13:47 <zodbot> robyduck: User: alexove, Name: Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis, email: alleinerwolf@gmail.com, Creation: 2011-05-19, IRC Nick: alexove, Timezone: America/Lima, Locale: es, GPG key ID: D9916A39, Status: active
15:13:50 <zodbot> robyduck: Approved Groups: +fedora-pr ambassadors cla_fpca cla_done packager fedorabugs
15:14:09 <robyduck> https://pagure.io/ambassadors-latam/tasks/issue/403
15:15:12 <jonatoni> how many mentors are active in LATAM?
15:15:43 * robyduck is looking for that
15:16:09 <robyduck> jonatoni: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_Join_choose_a_mentor
15:16:21 <robyduck> itamarjp: It seems I can't find the regional approval
15:17:33 <itamarjp> robyduck, I will find them and post the link on the ticket.
15:17:40 <robyduck> https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/fedora-latam/fedora-latam.2017-05-06-22.57.log.html
15:17:51 <robyduck> ok, that's rather confusing
15:18:25 <robyduck> you approved both in one votation, also the tickets are filed by the ambassadors, which is a self nomination.
15:18:49 <robyduck> We should work that out better, but as LATAM representative, can you give us some more information?
15:18:56 <robyduck> .fasinfo danniel
15:18:59 <zodbot> robyduck: User: danniel, Name: Daniel Lara Souza, email: daniellarasouza@yahoo.com.br, Creation: 2012-10-30, IRC Nick: Danniel-Lara, Timezone: America/Sao_Paulo, Locale: pt_BR, GPG key ID: , Status: active
15:19:03 <zodbot> robyduck: Unapproved Groups: l10n-commits
15:19:06 <zodbot> robyduck: Approved Groups: +cvsl10n fedorabugs packager ambassadors cla_fpca cla_done fedora-br
15:20:02 <itamarjp> jonatoni, the people think that LATAM has alot of mentors, some of them has mentor power but doesn't have mentored anyone.
15:20:26 <robyduck> itamarjp: the list is now up to date, the 4 mentors all replied they are active
15:21:59 <x3mboy> !
15:22:12 <robyduck> but I don't see any problems of having other two mentors. The question is: Are they the right persons to do the job?
15:22:25 <robyduck> x3mboy: you're welcome to chime in, go ahead
15:23:43 <x3mboy> In representation of LATAM, we vote for alexove and danniel because they are really good for the job. We voted in meeting, just when the new ideas about mentoring whre being discussed in FAmSCo because we really need mor hands on it
15:24:43 <x3mboy> 4 mentors sounds like a lot, but the number of people that wants to join is hard to being mentored only by 4, remember that mentoring is not only approving the fas group ambassadors
15:25:16 <robyduck> phone..
15:25:50 <x3mboy> We discuss in FAD Latam to help mentors between all, because one problem we saw is a lot of people doesn't have idea what rules are for, e.g., file a proper ticket, and for us that's lack of mentoring
15:26:54 <x3mboy> The idea is not to point fingers about anybody's work, but we need more help and 2 new mentors help us a lot and alexove and danniel have proved themselves to be good for the job
15:27:43 <x3mboy> eom
15:33:21 <robyduck> back, sorry
15:35:06 <robyduck> x3mboy: itamarjp: I would not speak about what is doing A, or what is not doing B...I also don't have any concerns if you as Region think these two people will make a good job and have enpugh experience to do the job right
15:35:35 <robyduck> we don't need tons of ambassadors, we need people who get a good mentoring if we want to have success
15:36:16 <robyduck> Can you tell us something about danniel?
15:37:08 <robyduck> x3mboy: itamarjp ^
15:37:26 <itamarjp> robyduck, Daniel Lara and fredlima are responsible for pt-br translation ( https://t.me/Fedora_L10n_pt_BR )
15:38:27 <robyduck> events?
15:38:28 <itamarjp> Daniel Lara lives in Porto Alegre and every year he stays in Fedora booth at fisl and latinoware.
15:38:33 <robyduck> or other ambassador activity?
15:38:58 <x3mboy> danniel is also a packager and have experience in fisl and Latinoware, 2 really big events
15:39:34 <itamarjp> Daniel Lara is also member of https://tchelinux.org/ group.
15:39:42 <robyduck> ok, jonatoni itamarjp if you are fine, I'd call for lazy consensus until monday, works for you?
15:40:09 <jonatoni> yep, agree
15:40:43 <robyduck> #action robyduck will make a call for lazy consensus until monday (5 days)
15:41:19 <itamarjp> Daniel Lara gives talk in tchelinux meeting in cities near Porto Alegre,
15:41:21 <itamarjp> https://wiki.tchelinux.org/#!eventos/calendario.md
15:41:29 <robyduck> #topic Split treasurer and CC card holder roles
15:42:20 <robyduck> Actually NA and APAC have nominated the same person for treasurer and CC card holder
15:43:01 <robyduck> this leads to blocking reimbursements if this person is not around for family or dayjob reasons
15:43:32 <robyduck> also, bexelbie as FCAIC sees a possible conflict of interests if this person requests funding
15:45:14 <robyduck> As FAmSCo we can advice the Council to make that split a requirement
15:45:22 <jonatoni> I agree with bexelbie to not have the same person
15:46:06 <robyduck> for the special case I would follow bexelbie's way of handling the situation (in APAC) and ask the actual treasurer to choose the role he wants to keep
15:46:23 <robyduck> any other ideas, concerns, whatever from your side?
15:47:43 <jonatoni> can we mention this at the wiki page to avoid similar situations in the future?
15:47:58 <robyduck> APAC: https://pagure.io/ambassadors-apac/issue/276
15:48:01 <itamarjp> how long is the term for these positions ?
15:48:15 <robyduck> there is no term AFAIK
15:49:03 <robyduck> jonatoni: before doing that I'd like to advice the council and bex, that FAmSCo would like to have different persons. FCAIC can then make that.
15:49:16 <robyduck> or which page do you mean?
15:49:16 <jonatoni> okay
15:50:04 <jonatoni> the page we have mention this positions
15:51:16 <robyduck> I'll add the page to the issue then, as this is including budgeting
15:51:44 <jonatoni> thanks
15:51:48 <bexelbie> IF it would help to move some of those definitions to the budget site, we can do that
15:51:54 <robyduck> #action robyduck to advice the Council to split treasurer and CC card holder roles
15:52:23 <robyduck> hi bexelbie
15:52:38 <robyduck> I think this is reasonable, yes
15:53:29 <robyduck> bexelbie: we don't have a quorum today to agree totally on this, but we will get thoughts in the ticket
15:54:05 <bexelbie> that's cool - just offering it
15:54:17 <bexelbie> as I can see reasons to collect all finance stuff on the budget site and reasons to distribute it
15:54:52 <robyduck> we have many things in the wiki spread around we would love to see in one place, actually :(
15:56:10 <robyduck> anything else worth to mention on this topic?
15:56:50 <jonatoni> nope
15:56:57 <robyduck> #topic Open Floor
15:57:18 * robyduck watches the clock
15:58:07 <robyduck> if you have anything else, now is the time :)
15:59:24 <robyduck> ok then, thank you itamarjp and jonatoni for coming, bexelbie and x3mboy for joining us. See you next week.
15:59:35 <robyduck> #endmeeting