15:01:21 #startmeeting FAmSCo 2017-09-13 15:01:21 Meeting started Wed Sep 13 15:01:21 2017 UTC. The chair is robyduck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:01:21 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:01:21 The meeting name has been set to 'famsco_2017-09-13' 15:01:25 #meetingname famsco 15:01:25 The meeting name has been set to 'famsco' 15:01:27 #topic Roll Call 15:01:29 #chair mailga jonatoni nb itamarjp sumantro giannisk 15:01:29 Current chairs: giannisk itamarjp jonatoni mailga nb robyduck sumantro 15:01:36 .hello2 15:01:38 robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' 15:01:41 .hello2 15:01:42 itamarjp: itamarjp 'Itamar Reis Peixoto' 15:01:43 .hello2 15:01:44 nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' 15:02:01 hi! 15:02:32 .hello2 15:02:33 jonatoni: jonatoni 'Jona Azizaj' 15:03:48 ok, let's start 15:04:07 #topic F27 ambassadors tasks 15:04:19 #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-27/f-27-ambassadors-tasks.html 15:04:36 * sumantrom[m] is here 15:04:51 we are likely going to slip, but let's wait for the no/no-go meeting tomorrow 15:05:07 sumantrom[m]: oh, hi, lemme correct that 15:05:13 #chair sumantrom[m] 15:05:13 Current chairs: giannisk itamarjp jonatoni mailga nb robyduck sumantro sumantrom[m] 15:06:20 we have the readiness meeting for beta tomorrow and should make sure we don't have any missing tasks 15:06:45 5pm right? 15:06:59 normally for prereleases we don't have much to do, unless sync out with design for posters and see if we have swags 15:07:05 jonatoni: no, 7pm 15:07:20 5pm go/no-go, 7pm readiness 15:07:25 robyduck jonatoni hi :) 15:07:35 ah yes, right 15:07:45 sumantrom[m] hello :) 15:07:55 UTC obviously 15:08:30 so despite the meeting, we need to: 15:08:42 1) Call for Release Parties 15:09:09 2) See if design has anything in mind for the RP poster (I guess we use just the same layout) 15:10:00 3) Do we want DVD's? -> design for sleeves 15:10:35 (covers) 15:11:19 Do we need badges for release party attendies? 15:11:22 jonatoni: do you like to re-do the call for Release Parties (even next week) 15:11:35 yes, sure 15:11:45 sumantrom[m]: good point, yes. We should file a ticket in the badges pagure for that. 15:12:13 two tickets, one for the RP organizers and one for RP participants 15:12:24 I can co-ordinate with that bit with fedora design team 15:12:33 cool 15:12:44 jonatoni, I think we have traditionally had 1 release party badge? 15:13:02 #action sumantrom[m] will coordinate with design for Release Party badges 15:13:20 #action jonatoni will make the Call for F27 Release Parties 15:13:50 nb: I thought that too, but we have also the badge for attendees (which I do not understand that much, but anyway) 15:14:09 nb we had two for the last three releases I think 15:14:48 nb: do not cheat! :D 15:15:10 * sumantrom[m] organized all three , never got the badge :( is there any way of post allocation :D 15:15:28 sumantrom[m] which one? 15:15:34 the organizers badge? 15:15:44 sumantrom[m]: you need to have a wiki page for the event and a report posted and linked from the wiki page 15:15:55 (for organizers) 15:16:06 jonatoni: yes , i did 15:16:17 for the last one I have award the badge to all organizers who had an event report 15:16:35 let me know if I forgot to award it to you 15:17:05 I will ping you after the meeting :) 15:17:17 beside badges, what about DVDs? 15:17:23 there are some cons on them 15:17:43 regions don't have much budget to produce them 15:18:00 people oftne don't have a DVD player in their laptop anymore 15:18:12 I'm +1 to not produce them anymore 15:18:12 they are heavy to carry around 15:18:31 note, we didn't procuce or request DVDs for F26 15:19:12 others? 15:19:13 in APAC we just have DVD which gets printed , we dont have any other swags , until now. Can we do something about it? robyduck jonatoni
15:19:13 I also concur on not producing them anymore 15:19:25 instead we can have usb or we can use the fedorator 15:19:50 jonatoni: for those who have a Fedorator yes 15:20:23 sumantrom[m]: ah right, you printed them for F26, correct? 15:20:43 APAC I mean 15:20:54 I didn't but in India yes we got DVDs 15:21:22 I yet don't know if all of APAC had the DVDs that we had. PJP got it done. 15:21:23 * robyduck remembers the budget request for printing them 15:22:03 sumantrom[m]: no, I think just India, because you also have shipping restrictions (China for example) 15:22:27 but Cambodia or Indonesia didn't get them (and AFAIK didn't requested them neither) 15:23:22 robyduck: true that 15:23:42 so let's keep it as for F26, no DVDs. Anyone not agreeing? 15:24:23 robyduck: *F27 15:25:05 yes for F27, same as for F26 15:25:39 #info FAmSCo will not request production of DVDs - Regions can still print them if they feel they need them for specific countries. 15:25:55 is this reasonable? 15:26:07 totally agree 15:26:11 robyduck: +1 15:26:42 cool, moving on 15:26:55 #topic Split treasurer and CC holder roles - APAC 15:27:00 https://pagure.io/famsco/issue/434 15:27:25 I tried to not get back to this, but we don't have any comment on the proposal I wrote last week. 15:28:17 all FAmSCo members please revisit the proposal for the Council and add comments/concerns/whatever to finally get it done ;) 15:28:49 will do it asap 15:28:55 thanks for the reminder :) 15:28:57 great 15:29:01 looks good for me, +1 15:29:17 itamarjp: just add it in the ticket 15:29:39 #topic Ambassador Response Expectations 15:29:48 #link https://pagure.io/famsco/issue/438 15:30:13 doh, so that's another topic which has been beaten to death in the last years... 15:31:02 I saw this discussion and I need to give my feedback there 15:31:05 * robyduck thinks there is no real answer to that and we don't have the tools right now to make a clear and reasonable process 15:31:21 jonatoni: that's fine 15:31:33 * sumantrom[m] also needs to give feedback 15:31:48 maybe we can collect some ideas also here, because: 15:32:28 1) we don't have Hubs yet, which would solve the whole thing because we could setup a contact page, a nice ambassador map and create a contact form 15:33:05 * mailga still thinks that an Amby must reply in few days, also if he/she is not available in that moment. Otherwise, if he/she is not able to spend a couple of min answering to a mail, he/sehe is not an Amby. 15:33:07 2) Ambassador's activity is not measurable, but we want them to be responsive to requests over email 15:33:28 mailga: oh, nice you're looking in too :P 15:34:00 In fact I had a proposal to do something similar as Mozillians or Mozilla Rep portal, but first I need to talk with Hub Team to see how to implement it 15:34:50 personally I think that creating too many rules (checks, templates, surveys...) to try to measure their activity will result in loosing many of our ambassadors 15:35:16 i concur with jonatoni , something similar to reps portal will work 15:35:26 but we need a way to fit that into hubs 15:35:31 jonatoni: I talked to them and a KPL file would do it, but even a json. 15:35:50 mailga, I agree with you 15:36:03 the question is: do we want to make something intermediate? 15:36:04 mailga, if people don't act as an ambassador then they are not one 15:36:45 not to create too many rules, but 1 report/month it's not too much to request from them 15:36:54 maybe a list like Suse does? 15:37:18 * nb does not think "Ambassador" should bea title for life 15:37:31 https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Advocates_list 15:37:37 jonatoni: maybe just fill up a form every month with the exact data we want , shouldnt be hard 15:37:42 nb: yeah, that's the old question 15:37:58 jonatoni: every month is not doable 15:38:11 robyduck, every quarter? twice a year? yearly? 15:38:16 * nb is not sure what the right solution is 15:38:31 but i think people should at least have to say a few words about what they have done in the past yar 15:38:32 year 15:38:47 just to write what you have done during that month, even two sentences? 15:38:56 robyduck: why not make one template where they can put what they did in last 1 year 15:39:04 well, bexelbie suggested to pick out 40-60 ambassadors from time to time and request a survey of what they did in the last year 15:39:11 I mean we will not request to organize events every month 15:39:17 sumantrom[m]: yes 15:39:22 how about every release? 15:39:25 so twice a year? 15:39:30 or even if we did it yearly 15:39:56 every release then 15:40:08 nb good idea, atleast they can talk about release parties and if they have organized something locally as well 15:40:11 robyduck +1 for the survey, nice idea. 15:41:27 yes, I think these are all ideas we can add to the ticket, that's why I wanted to discuss it briefly 15:41:28 I need to go but will read the logs later. Thanks for chairing robyduck :) 15:41:35 bye all :D 15:41:53 bye jonatoni :D 15:41:57 because it is really always the same topic, and it would be awesome if we can solve that for the next years at least 15:41:59 :) 15:42:10 jonatoni: see you, thanks for coming 15:43:55 sesivany also added his thoughts, so I hope we will come to a solution 15:44:21 robyduck: +1 lets have couple of tickets where we can discuss more 15:44:37 * robyduck nods 15:44:57 we have time for another one 15:45:17 #topic Create Ambassador event report template 15:45:25 #link https://pagure.io/famsco/issue/422 15:46:24 this is related to Mindshare and will involve the whole process and also treasurers, but the main data we need in this template will not change 15:47:09 * robyduck will write a wiki page of mindshare in the next days to make things clear and ready for submission to the COuncil and further discussion 15:48:19 * sumantrom[m] is willing to volunteer on this robyduck 15:48:55 the template id very important, because it permits us to undertand if it is worth to be present at an event or not, and if we should put more or less budget on it 15:49:18 also, it's necessary for the Council when requesting the budget for the next FY 15:50:53 robyduck: I'd like to see an online template, for its easy access and in order to collect data (according to commops for statistica and metrics) for any further mktg/council/mindshare convenience. 15:50:53 I realize we can't discuss this in 10 minutes 15:51:12 +100 15:51:51 give me cookie! 15:52:18 I think that's one of the most important things this template needs to have: easily accessible by other teams 15:52:23 mailga++ 15:52:25 robyduck: Karma for mailga changed to 3 (for the f26 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 15:52:38 eat that! 15:54:30 so, if we can add ideas to the ticket in pagure we could try to start with a rough template's structure, which would be awesome 15:55:00 robyduck: +1 will work on it. 15:55:05 nb: so silent today? 15:55:17 sumantrom[m]: coolio!! 15:55:31 sumantrom++ 15:55:31 robyduck: Karma for sumantrom changed to 2 (for the f26 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 15:56:19 #topic Open Floor 15:56:24 anything else? 15:56:45 nope. 15:57:00 nothing from my side :) 15:57:08 robyduck, been busy working 15:57:13 * nb has been listening for pings 15:57:16 mainly 15:57:17 nb: np 15:57:41 then see you all next week, thank you for coming 15:57:52 #endmeeting