14:00:54 #startmeeting Fedora Ambassadors Latam meeting 2017-12-01 14:00:54 Meeting started Fri Dec 1 14:00:54 2017 UTC. The chair is williamjmorenor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:54 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:00:54 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_ambassadors_latam_meeting_2017-12-01' 14:01:06 #meetingname fedora-latam 14:01:06 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-latam' 14:01:13 #topic Rollcall 14:01:22 .fas williamjmorenor 14:01:24 williamjmorenor: williamjmorenor 'William Moreno' 14:01:44 .fas galvao 14:01:45 galvao: galvao '' - brenogalvao 'Breno Galvão' 14:01:51 * galvao from Brazil 14:02:00 * williamjmorenor Nicaragua 14:02:19 .hello2 14:02:20 itamarjp: itamarjp 'Itamar Reis Peixoto' 14:02:38 ping JuanCarlosLin bt0 porfiriopaiz x3mboy potty 14:02:42 .hllo2 14:02:43 .fas porfiriopaiz 14:02:44 porfiriopaiz: porfiriopaiz 'Porfirio Andrés Páiz Carrasco' 14:02:46 .hello2 14:02:48 x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' 14:02:48 From Managua in Nicaragua. 14:03:06 * x3mboy Chile - Venezuela 14:03:27 good morning to all 14:03:35 'moring 14:03:39 there are only 3 tickets 14:03:52 2 of then are follows up from past meeting 14:04:07 morning 14:04:15 #topic Announcements 14:04:30 #info Rust apps are now available in Fedora 14:04:44 .fas chinosoliard 14:04:44 chinosoliard: asoliard 'Soliard, Adrian D.' 14:04:45 #info Fedora is the first distro which is able to build applications written in Rust without internet and bundled dependencies. 14:04:51 * chinosoliard from Argentina 14:05:03 #info Autumn Elections 2017: Nomination & Campaign period is in progress 14:05:15 #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-27/f-27-elections.html 14:05:38 #info There is work in progress to update artwork to latam swag 14:05:53 #link https://pagure.io/design/issue/560 14:05:56 #link https://pagure.io/design/issue/561 14:05:59 #link https://pagure.io/design/issue/562 14:06:01 #link https://pagure.io/design/issue/563 14:06:17 any other announce i miss? 14:06:58 I don't know what's that, williamjmorenor :-P 14:07:00 .hellomynameis lin 14:07:01 JuanCarlosLin: lin 'Juan Carlos YJ Lin' 14:07:19 where are we? 14:07:25 yes 14:07:30 we are on meeting 14:07:32 hello 14:07:50 can we start with the first ticket? 14:07:50 jajajajaj, yes, I know, I just seen "Announcements" as a topic 14:08:05 who is present? 14:08:19 me 14:08:21 x3mboy galvao porfiriopaiz JuanCarlosLin 14:08:31 and itamarjp 14:08:36 I'm always present 14:08:48 ok let go ahead 14:08:53 ok... go on 14:08:57 we must take action about budget 14:09:13 #topic Ticket 441: Ambassador Budgets 14:09:24 #link https://pagure.io/ambassadors-latam/tasks/issue/441 14:09:35 #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/VJQNABZSUCVJ3IO3YZDWN5JDZALM3IEN/ 14:09:48 #link https://budget.fedoraproject.org/budget/FY18/latam.html 14:10:08 #info We have unallocated $1,580.67 14:10:25 #info We have available $2,628.82 14:11:22 first that all 14:11:26 bex++ 14:11:26 williamjmorenor: Karma for bex changed to 3 (for the f27 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 14:11:46 awesome job keeping track of Fedora budget 14:12:10 williamjmorenor, there's a lot of fm-latam messages at #fedora-latam... maybe you can use less info hashtag 14:12:22 This is because of the refund from DevConf Panama :) 14:12:25 maybe 14:12:43 but any way we must record info in the meeting log :) 14:13:05 yes 14:13:27 so I want to propose to spend it Release Parties and Swag 14:13:47 if not executed the budget can be transfered to others regions 14:14:14 +1 14:14:18 williamjmorenor, +1 14:14:21 any way we can use remainging budget for next fiscal year 14:14:21 +1 14:14:29 so we use it or we lost it 14:14:37 I'll try to prepare a RP, but it's very very difficult for me these days 14:14:47 now I ask, anyone here is planning a Release Party? 14:14:54 no, budget does not carry from year to year 14:14:57 please keep that in mind 14:14:59 me 14:15:14 I was thinking in planning one, but, as I said, I'm very busy 14:15:14 if so, please open a ticket and alocate the budget 14:15:33 bexelbie: True! it was a typo 14:15:37 i mean 14:15:53 We can not use reamingin budget for next fiscal year 14:16:02 bexelbie++ 14:16:06 Sorry, what's the deadline for allocating the budget and planning release parties? 14:16:07 thanks 14:16:25 Which is another reason to start ordering swag this year. Do not let countries that aren't ready block those that are 14:16:27 I must have missed that information 14:16:40 let me check please 14:16:49 we work with Red hat fiscal year 14:17:07 how much time do we've to organize an RP? 14:17:19 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/LATAM/Budget:2017 14:17:32 thank you 14:17:35 Money can be allocated at any time. Spending after about January 27 will require coordination with me to ensure it hits this FY. I'll send out details after Jan 1 14:17:54 I encourage planning to begin soon as the council needs to manage the budget and try to get money to where it will do the most good 14:17:58 no movement is planned yet 14:18:02 #info Q4 (December 2017 - February 2018) 14:18:17 we have until February 2018 14:18:38 but we need to request the swag ASAP 14:19:31 Got it. It would be good to plan RPs in Brazil. I'll talk with the others and see what we can do. 14:19:38 as bexelbie says If you want to organice a release party please open the ticket sone, this way the council can be advised the budget have ben allocated 14:20:08 any way looks like we will need to move this topic to mailing list 14:20:10 :( 14:20:41 galvao as many release parties better :) 14:20:43 If we produce alot of swags this year, we probably have them ready for next year, 14:20:52 the council gets advice on allocations when they are added to the budget file at pagure.io/fedora-budget which is what produces budget.fp.o 14:20:55 williamjmorenor: I know, right? =) 14:21:02 anyone can submit a PR to that repo 14:21:05 and not having to produce alot of them next year, we can use the budget for other stuff. 14:21:20 itamarjp yes :) 14:21:27 I can order sticker any time :) 14:21:31 or other items 14:21:37 cool 14:21:42 nice to know 14:21:52 thanks bexelbie 14:22:33 I will make a RP, but I won't need budget 14:23:00 so we can ask for more swag 14:23:04 :) 14:23:55 guys we have taken 6 months to request swag for latam, we need it soon, but we will talk bout it in a fwe minutes 14:23:57 We need to get more active people... RParties will work for that 14:24:07 some one have other comment of we move ahead 14:24:21 of course we need chinosoliard 14:25:26 I believe we need to discuss this further in each country, so we can move ahead? 14:25:32 moving away 14:25:48 +1 14:26:09 #topic Ticket 431: Request of Review of Meetings Guide/Rules 14:26:18 #link https://pagure.io/ambassadors-latam/tasks/issue/439 14:26:32 i do not have any comment about it 14:26:40 Editing it 14:26:45 please ping when we can move ahead 14:27:12 Ok 14:27:56 #chair x3mboy 14:27:56 Current chairs: williamjmorenor x3mboy 14:28:03 #chair galvao 14:28:03 Current chairs: galvao williamjmorenor x3mboy 14:28:14 #chair itamarjp 14:28:15 Current chairs: galvao itamarjp williamjmorenor x3mboy 14:29:25 ? 14:29:51 #topic Ticket 406: Swag for Latam 14:29:58 #link https://pagure.io/ambassadors-latam/tasks/issue/406 14:30:14 * chinosoliard is having problem with mails (a lot of mail from latam+pagure-latam) 14:30:56 I have sent a reminder to the mailing list, if people do not provide the information for the next week we can not wait more, 14:31:23 bexelbie when is the deadline to have the budget for swag production allocated? 14:32:08 chinosoliard yes, *a lot* of mails come from pagure, i have a filter in gmail to block then to the inbox 14:32:15 as I said before, it's imposible for me to recieve swag for .ar 14:32:26 Probably Jan 30 for stickers and Jan 1 for anything else 14:33:05 #info Dead line for swag request is probably Jan 30 for stickers and Jan 1 for anything else 14:33:10 williamjmorenor, I've a filter to store it in communities/fedora/fedora-latam, but I've been afk for some days, and now the folder have 82 mails to read 14:33:18 chinosoliard and if someone can recive it in brazil? 14:33:19 williamjmorenor: ! 14:33:25 chinosoliard, supposedly stickermule.com will ship to Argentina 14:33:37 porfiriopaiz please go ahead 14:33:38 williamjmorenor, it's the same... 14:34:25 UPS dont work for you? 14:34:35 bexelbie, but I've to pay 50% of the total amount... and the invoice needs to have my name... ridiculous 14:34:41 ! 14:34:52 I would like to share some comments about the https://pagure.io/design/issue/560 ticket 14:35:13 Is is possible to add the Fedora word logo to original design? 14:35:22 bexelbie we can ask for reimbursement for the taxes cost isn´t? 14:35:33 yes, taxes can be reimbursed 14:35:35 I would love if we stick to the original design, but with with white background 14:36:00 <bexelbie> yes, taxes can be reimbursed <- this can help... but the invoice is the main problem 14:36:12 It can be shipped to your name 14:36:18 not "Fedora" 14:36:27 works for you chinosoliard ? 14:36:37 ok... let me get in line with that, so 14:36:47 I'll put it this way. I am committed to doing what I can do to get chinosoliard swag if LATAM approves it 14:36:59 the mechanics is something he and I can discuss offline 14:37:26 we have this ticket open 7 months ago, if next week there is no info I will clear the country list 14:37:29 sorry 14:37:42 bexelbie, yesterday importation rules changes... I'll get updated with that 14:38:03 cool - when you haev an approved ticket, let's talk :) 14:38:22 I again repeat - we don't have to have all countries to move forward 14:38:29 I will work with those who want stuff to make it work 14:38:39 bexelbie++ 14:38:39 x3mboy: Karma for bex changed to 4 (for the f27 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 14:38:39 bexelbie++ 14:38:40 ! 14:38:42 galvao: Karma for bex changed to 5 (for the f27 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 14:38:49 if we have a situation where we don't have enough people to get a specific item, I'll work with the other regions to see if we can make it work 14:39:07 +1 14:40:05 .fas alexove 14:40:07 alexove: alexove 'Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis' 14:40:08 * alexove = Peru 14:40:44 * alexove apologizes for being late 14:40:47 ! 14:40:49 ! 14:40:51 ! 14:41:09 alexove we are talking you are in the correct momen 14:41:16 please go x3mboy 14:41:38 I edit the code of conduct in the meeting guide rules 14:41:46 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/LATAM/Meetings#Code_of_conduct 14:42:00 It's the only thing was still in discussion about this guide 14:42:00 thanks x3mboy 14:42:35 I believe it's perfect. 14:42:40 x3mboy++ 14:42:40 galvao: Karma for x3mboy changed to 7 (for the f27 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 14:43:32 x3mboy++ 14:43:32 alexove: Karma for x3mboy changed to 8 (for the f27 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 14:43:35 bexelbie so I can open a ticket for swag to nicaragua once we get the from desing team bout the artwork? 14:44:06 I mean when we get the ok from desing team? 14:44:35 alexove any comment about swag production? 14:44:44 * alexove will wait to openfloor to retake the wiki page 14:45:27 sorry guys, I was busy these weeks again, I will check this issue the next week please 14:46:00 EOM 14:46:17 A comment about this 14:46:33 This ticket is to produce SWAG that we will use during 2018 14:46:49 so we need to produce it quickly! 14:47:20 the ticket was supposed to be swag for the second half of 2017, but yes it will be *the* 2018 swag 14:47:24 Because we are so close to the end of the Q4, so we need speed. If we wait another 7 months the swag will be for 2019 14:47:24 so yes 14:47:25 williamjmorenor, yes 14:47:29 ew need it ASAP 14:47:33 Please, take a decission 14:47:46 I will open a ticket for Nicaragua 14:47:49 just open a ticket, get LATAM approval and then ping me 14:47:51 My only concern here is that we had 3 items for pin and only one for stickets 14:47:57 stickers* 14:48:02 williamjmorenor: Just do it. 14:48:19 ! 14:48:27 When stickers have better probabilities to have several types 14:48:30 alexove please go ahead? 14:48:38 bexelbie, what kind of swag are produced? 14:48:47 Right now it looks like we are going to produce 1 type of stickers 14:48:58 yes x3mboy you can ask fot the sticker desing yoy want 14:49:14 no 14:49:16 no es así 14:49:19 Only some designs are missing and some countries like Colombia, Venezuela and some others put the necessary amount 14:49:49 nosotros queremos un paquete de stickers porque en Nicaragua de repente llega alguien a la mesa y se lleva diez burbujas grandes 14:49:56 s/amount/quantity 14:49:59 Oh cool! 14:50:04 This is new: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Swag_latam#cite_note-1 14:50:04 mejor tener un paquete y asi tenes control 14:50:08 Now it looks better 14:50:13 una persona un pack de stickers 14:50:14 Please, keep it in English 14:50:15 EOM 14:50:39 ! 14:50:50 bexelbie plese go ahead 14:50:52 x3mboy, the use of English is desirable but not mandatory 14:50:54 To answer chinosoliard's question. Stickers are the easiest thing to produce 14:50:59 bexelbie: o/ 14:51:03 anything else typically requires more planning and execution time 14:51:04 alexove, Not true 14:51:18 I also would like to make sure that we know WHY we are buying other items. I am not opposed to them and won't stop them. 14:51:29 but do they have specific value to our goal audience 14:51:37 +1 14:51:38 they may also have specific meaning in your country/region - that is all cool 14:51:51 So for example, producing 5 different kinds of buttons and pens is maybe not hte best 14:51:58 but if we have a good one, then we might use it else where too 14:52:04 yes 14:52:11 but to me, speaking as a weirdo American who lives in Europe for hte last 5 years 14:52:14 I don't want a button or a pin 14:52:16 pen 14:52:29 I might take a metal pin to put on my hat - but that is a wasted swag dollar 14:52:35 as I only wear the hat in the summer :P 14:52:47 :D 14:52:48 so, in short - we can do anything, but lets do stuff that gets us value 14:52:57 +1 on that 14:52:59 as an example, I am going to be printing some ribbons that attach to the bottom of convention badges 14:53:14 I can comment the swag usage in Nicaragua 14:53:15 that is used at RH Summit. That might also be cool to take to other shows (where it won't upset the organizers) 14:53:20 eom 14:53:25 +1 14:53:32 bexelbie, In latam buttons or pins make sense because people put them in their bags, specially students, that are our biggest audience 14:53:46 we use bottons and lanyars to contributors or posible contributors first 14:54:04 this way you can put a button in your bag 14:54:10 Ok 14:54:15 EOM 14:54:20 or use the lanyard in public to not lose the 14:54:21 x3mboy, very understandable - I don't do that personally and haven't been a student in a long time - so I look to all of you as experts :) 14:55:58 and we do not use to put pens, buttons or landyars is a public table of a even 14:56:00 So, we can finally put a deadline to complete the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Swag_latam#Swags_by_Country.5B1.5D and close this 14:56:09 yes 14:56:16 please x3mboy 14:56:21 can you do it? 14:56:23 :) 14:57:27 #action put a deadline of 2 weeks for 406, send and email to notify it and in the December 15th meeting, send the final produce order to bexelbie 14:57:46 :D 14:57:57 Is that ok? 14:57:57 x3mboy the deadline was a week ago 14:58:12 the dead line must be a week from today 14:58:17 Ok 14:58:20 #undo 14:58:20 Removing item from minutes: ACTION by x3mboy at 14:57:27 : put a deadline of 2 weeks for 406, send and email to notify it and in the December 15th meeting, send the final produce order to bexelbie 14:58:43 #action put a deadline of 1 week for 406, send and email to notify it and in the December 8th meeting, send the final produce order to bexelbie 14:58:54 x3mboy++ 14:58:58 porfiriopaiz++ 14:58:58 williamjmorenor: Karma for porfiriopaiz changed to 1 (for the f27 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 14:59:11 Ok, move to Open Floor 14:59:25 #topic OpenFloor 14:59:34 alexove, do you have something? 15:00:01 Ok, we have some seconds so 15:00:06 I want to retake the discussion of the wiki page for the meetings 15:00:32 if we have a consensus we can vote right now 15:01:09 +1 15:01:37 williamjmorenor, please call for voting :-) 15:01:37 <alexove> I want to retake the discussion of the wiki page for the meetings <- What wiki page? 15:01:53 wait wait wait! I don't know what are you talking about! I'm missed 15:02:04 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/LATAM/Meetings 15:02:29 please vote 15:02:30 :) 15:02:31 s/missed/lost/g 15:03:19 +1 15:03:25 chinosoliard, it's just a guide that will allow anyone to chair our weekly latam meeting 15:03:29 +1 15:03:33 +1 15:03:35 +1 15:03:35 +1 15:03:37 let me read, please! 15:03:43 ok 15:04:03 !!!!! 15:04:15 chinosoliard ? 15:04:20 please go ahead 15:04:30 Need a line: please, try having more than one chair per meeting. Connection is not allways consistent 15:04:38 s/allways/always/g 15:04:45 +1 15:04:58 +1, but, please, consider my point 15:05:29 #idea have more than one chair per meeting. . Connection is not always consistent 15:05:31 It happened that chair lost connection and there are no other chair 15:05:43 EOM 15:06:03 asoliard++ 15:06:11 also add a link to the wiki page in the pagure README file 15:06:18 * bexelbie has to drop ... ttyl 15:06:24 chinosoliard, Well, normally we call "chairman" to the one who is running the meeting, but normally we do #chair to all the attendees 15:06:32 At least I do that in mktg 15:06:35 another idea, out of that ticket... please, ask newcomers to be chair and coordinate the meeting... This will help, and encourage people to take action :) 15:06:39 thank bexelbie 15:06:51 bexelbie, thanks man, c'ya! 15:06:58 bexelbie, thanks! 15:07:01 bexelbie++ 15:07:01 chinosoliard: Karma for bex changed to 6 (for the f27 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 15:07:10 We are out of time 15:07:12 <alexove> asoliard++ <- I'm chinosoliard 15:07:14 chinosoliard: You may not modify your own karma. 15:07:24 6:+1 0:-1 0:0 15:07:25 chinosoliard++ 15:07:31 So, we can call it agreed? 15:07:38 x3mboy, sure! 15:07:40 Yep 15:07:54 I have a last comment 15:07:56 ! 15:07:56 :D 15:08:03 thanks guys 15:08:03 It is a small step for ambassadors but a great step for humanity 15:08:09 We are the most wiki editors 15:08:15 chair alexove 15:08:21 chinosoliard: I added the line :-D 15:08:26 alexove can you record the agree? 15:08:33 Please try to make them more readable 15:08:46 #chair alexove 15:08:46 Current chairs: alexove galvao itamarjp williamjmorenor x3mboy 15:08:59 For example, with the new update, to make better tables we need to add the class 15:09:13 So, when openning a table please do: 15:09:20 {| class="wikitable" 15:09:54 Maybe create a wiki page on guidelines when writing/editing? 15:09:56 I've been editing a lot of tables, but please take that into consideration for future wiki editions/pages 15:09:59 EOM 15:10:08 "best practices" or something like that? 15:10:12 galvao, I'm doing one to publish it in the CommBlog 15:10:13 announcement: I'm organizing an IT event (more focused to infosec and telecomunications) for next year (march/april 2018), there are not record of an event like this one... I've a problem now, I'll need fedora representative, because I'm the only one here, and it will be imposible to me to stay in a stand, talk, etc... 15:10:17 Please stay tuned 15:10:24 x3mboy: Awesome 15:10:31 #agreed: The meetings will be conducted using the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/LATAM/Meetings guide 15:10:52 #agreed The meetings will be conducted using the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/LATAM/Meetings guide 15:11:00 chinosoliard, If you don't have any problem, I can move to .ar and help 15:11:08 chinosoliard: Is there a link to the event (where, when, etc)? 15:11:13 chinosoliard, you know that networking and telecom is my industry 15:11:14 :D 15:11:41 I might be able to do it as well 15:11:55 condiering I can get a refund on trip costs 15:12:10 I'm still organizing, I'm asking for a space 15:12:27 chinosoliard please work in the wiki of the event, this way galvao and x3mboy can ask for founds to travel 15:12:28 <x3mboy> chinosoliard, you know that networking and telecom is my industry <- yeahhhhh 15:12:34 williamjmorenor, I'll do! 15:12:37 chinosoliard: ping me any time or mail me if you need me =) 15:12:43 awesome 15:12:50 What city? 15:13:09 I'll update info, don't worry 15:13:22 Hey, we pass our timeline for 14 minutes 15:13:34 Can we close??? 15:13:39 I think so 15:13:45 ! a quickie : please review the technical content of the cheat cube https://pagure.io/design/issue/558 15:13:46 galvao one the wiki is done you can ask for founds to travel, if any question please ask 15:13:53 anyone have something to add? 15:14:00 Cool, thanks williamjmorenor 15:14:02 No 15:14:23 I'm ok with closing, so... 15:14:33 5 15:14:35 4 15:14:36 3 15:14:38 2 15:14:40 1 15:14:46 #endmeeting