14:00:43 <williamjmorenor> #startmeeting Fedora Latam Jan 19th, 2018
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14:00:56 <williamjmorenor> #meetingname fedora-latam
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14:01:06 <williamjmorenor> #topic Rollcall
14:01:11 <williamjmorenor> .fas williamjmorenor
14:01:11 <zodbot> williamjmorenor: williamjmorenor 'William Moreno' <williamjmorenor@gmail.com>
14:01:19 * williamjmorenor Nicaragua
14:03:18 <williamjmorenor> *-*
14:03:29 <bt0_> hi
14:03:36 <williamjmorenor> hola bt0_
14:03:41 * bt0_ from México
14:03:52 <williamjmorenor> no hay gente hoy ni tickets en el track
14:03:58 <bt0_> .fas bt0dotninja
14:03:58 <zodbot> bt0_: bt0dotninja 'Alberto Rodriguez Sanchez' <hotgalan@gmail.com>
14:04:00 <williamjmorenor> solo tenia un par de anuncios
14:04:03 <bt0_> ohhh
14:04:08 <bt0_> las elecciones?
14:04:11 <williamjmorenor> correcto
14:04:16 <bt0_> el swag?
14:04:20 <williamjmorenor> correcto
14:04:22 <williamjmorenor> esos dos
14:04:29 <bt0_> eso imagine
14:04:29 <williamjmorenor> #topic Announces
14:04:48 <williamjmorenor> #info Fedora elections are open, please remember to vote
14:05:01 <williamjmorenor> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/tag/elections/
14:05:30 <JuanCarlosLin> Hi all
14:05:33 <bt0_> hi
14:05:37 <williamjmorenor> #info The Council aproved $10K of aditional budget for the swag production
14:05:46 <williamjmorenor> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/175
14:05:48 <bt0_> that Is awesome
14:06:00 <williamjmorenor> yes it is
14:06:12 <williamjmorenor> and thanks a lot of bex
14:06:25 <bt0_> bex++
14:06:42 <williamjmorenor> bexelbie++
14:06:52 * bexelbie is lurking - thank you
14:06:56 <x3mboy> .hello2
14:06:57 <zodbot> x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com>
14:07:00 <bt0_> right :p
14:07:18 <bt0_> hello x3mboy
14:07:34 <williamjmorenor> for the next meeting we need to start putting together de 2018 budget for the next fiscal year
14:07:43 <williamjmorenor> this is a important task
14:08:06 <williamjmorenor> now RedHat support both CentOS and Fedora and a lot of other projects
14:08:32 <williamjmorenor> and the budget is limited
14:08:36 <bt0_> ok
14:09:13 <bexelbie> !
14:09:26 <williamjmorenor> bexelbie ?
14:09:40 <williamjmorenor> do you have any comment?
14:09:41 <bexelbie> Red Hat has not indicated in any way shape or form that our budget is limited in any way by CentOS also being a supported community
14:09:48 <bexelbie> that is not a true statement
14:09:48 <chinosoliard_> hi!
14:09:49 <chinosoliard_> .fas chinosoliard_
14:09:50 <zodbot> chinosoliard_: 'chinosoliard_' Not Found!
14:09:54 <chinosoliard_> .fas chinosoliard
14:09:55 <zodbot> chinosoliard_: asoliard 'Soliard, Adrian D.' <me@chinosoliard.com>
14:09:57 * chinosoliard_ from Argentina
14:10:02 <williamjmorenor> ok
14:10:14 <williamjmorenor> thanks for the feedback bexelbie
14:10:15 <bexelbie> As for FY19 planning - you don't need to decide every event now
14:10:22 <bexelbie> you need to figure out a plan for focus
14:10:24 <bt0_> it's good to know
14:10:31 <bexelbie> but I strongly encourage you to allow events to be suggested during the year
14:10:39 <bexelbie> flexibility is the key to getting things done not rigid structure
14:10:49 <bexelbie> where you let the rules dictate the outcome and not the needs and abilities
14:10:56 * bexelbie said the same thing to APAC in their vFAD
14:11:07 <williamjmorenor> i am currios about this
14:11:37 <williamjmorenor> last years we made a prospective of events as base of calculation for the fiscal year budget
14:12:35 <bexelbie> This year's budget was very flexible as the extra money that LATAM just got shows
14:12:43 <williamjmorenor> do you mean we can go ahead with events as we need budget to cover those events?
14:12:46 <bexelbie> while the council has not made any decisions for next year, I suspect the system will continue
14:12:55 <williamjmorenor> OK this is nice to know
14:13:07 <bexelbie> I believe the council will once again allocate money and you can once again do events and ask for more if you run out
14:13:14 <bexelbie> also Mindshare may change things slightly
14:13:18 <x3mboy> For me the idea is to plan thing that can be planned
14:13:25 <x3mboy> Like FLISoL, for example
14:13:33 <x3mboy> But not do a rigid calendar
14:13:33 <bexelbie> but unless someone proposes something that can be done and has the ability to do it, it makes no difference if you have money
14:13:59 <williamjmorenor> #topic Budget
14:14:10 <williamjmorenor> every year we have a budget like this
14:14:11 <williamjmorenor> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/LATAM/Budget:2018
14:14:30 <williamjmorenor> this do not mean that a event not listed here will not have budget
14:15:30 <bexelbie> Are there no events in all of LATAM in Q1 and Q2?
14:15:47 <bt0_> it's just a draft
14:16:29 <bt0_> we have atte least two release parties, right?
14:17:02 <williamjmorenor> yes we did have events in Q1 and Q2
14:17:08 <williamjmorenor> budget report is here
14:17:10 <williamjmorenor> https://budget.fedoraproject.org/budget/FY18/latam.html
14:17:21 <williamjmorenor> So a imcomplete wiki do not help at all
14:18:15 <bexelbie> fair point .. I should have looked htere
14:18:24 <williamjmorenor> so in fact most of the event that have been aproved last year not were in the budget
14:18:27 * bexelbie is not a fan of duplicating work - the wiki seems like a duplicate in some ways
14:18:36 * chinosoliard think that we need to send a mail asking people for complete the wiki page
14:18:39 <williamjmorenor> and many of the event in the budget were not done at all
14:18:56 <williamjmorenor> so we need to improve our budgeting proces here
14:19:46 <bexelbie> I am confused
14:19:47 <williamjmorenor> bexelbie are you ok if we do not work in the budget wiki this year but works more close with you in the budget page?
14:19:50 <bexelbie> How did hte budget fail?
14:20:03 <bexelbie> what process is broken if you did events and they were funded?
14:21:12 <williamjmorenor> I do not mean that
14:21:21 <alexove> .fas alexove
14:21:21 <zodbot> alexove: alexove 'Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis' <alleinerwolf@gmail.com>
14:21:37 <williamjmorenor> I am talkgin about the budget wiki versus the info in the wiki execution
14:22:01 <williamjmorenor> as far as I see the wiki did not help anything this year
14:22:16 <chinosoliard> we're "creating" events, there're not to much "big events" (with fixed dates, every year) in Argentina, for example
14:22:32 <chinosoliard> and I think that in most LATAM country is the same
14:22:43 <williamjmorenor> and we shuld work in helping to keep the budget execution info currated
14:22:44 <x3mboy> bexelbie, some of the events in the wiki didn't happen
14:22:58 <williamjmorenor> many of they did not happen
14:23:22 <williamjmorenor> and most of the event that **happen** were not in the wiki
14:23:23 <x3mboy> In Chile there aren't events if we don't organize them. Only FLISoL
14:23:33 <bexelbie> I wonder if we could find a way to plan events that has less paperwork overhead?  For example, do you need a centrally planned budget or could you divide the budget by 4 and start there for deciding on events on an event-by-event basis?
14:23:40 <bexelbie> especially if the big events are unknowns at this time?
14:23:41 <williamjmorenor> so I am +1 to drop the budget wiki
14:24:13 <bexelbie> In the budget system, once allocations are done, you can block off money for big events and then do quarterly budgets
14:24:13 <williamjmorenor> I am +1 to bexelbie proposal
14:24:31 <williamjmorenor> totaly agree here
14:24:45 <bexelbie> ty but I really want this to work for LATAM - and I realize that just because I think of something it may not work for everyone everywhere
14:24:46 <williamjmorenor> what do you think x3mboy bt0_ JuanCarlosLin chinosoliard ?
14:25:19 <x3mboy> +1 too
14:25:20 <chinosoliard> +1 to bexelbie proposal too
14:25:25 * alexove Wich ticket?
14:25:34 <williamjmorenor> I am fine with a quarterly budget workflow
14:25:39 <williamjmorenor> alexove no ticket
14:25:42 <x3mboy> Because in LATAM we are invited to events in the last minute
14:25:50 <williamjmorenor> correct
14:26:01 <williamjmorenor> do we agree with that?
14:26:21 <williamjmorenor> I see 3 +1, x3mboy chinosoliard and my
14:26:24 <bt0_> +1
14:26:42 <chinosoliard> we're (now) fixing our communication problems, but we need to work quarterly, because if not, we will arrive Oct without budget :)
14:27:29 <bexelbie> chinosoliard, alterantely you can ask for more money through out the year based on projected needs
14:27:48 <bexelbie> Getting to october with no budget would be an interesting and probably nice problem to have in some ways
14:27:55 <bexelbie> if the money was spent on worthwhile events and experiments
14:28:01 <chinosoliard> this sounds great! (first we need to find projects! :) )
14:28:11 <williamjmorenor> #agree For the next fiscal year (2019 budget) we will work in a quarterly budget workflow
14:28:16 <bexelbie> exactly no projects means it doesnt' matter if you ahve moeny or not :)
14:28:38 <williamjmorenor> #action williamjmorenor to help to track the budget execution
14:28:51 <williamjmorenor> agree we need to focus in latam
14:28:54 <bexelbie> suggestion: use the budget system to track the budget
14:29:04 <bexelbie> don't duplicate data
14:29:22 <alexove> bexelbie++
14:29:22 <zodbot> alexove: Karma for bex changed to 11 (for the f27 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
14:29:29 <bexelbie> and literally anyone can send a PR to the budget to make modification so williamjmorenor can help easily
14:29:48 <williamjmorenor> this become a interesting meeting, thanks to bexelbie for the feedback about budget
14:29:53 <bexelbie> and yn1v[m] and potty can merge / approve
14:30:13 * bexelbie mumbles about possibly moving everyone to a PR work flow for automated publishing reasons ... :D
14:31:09 <williamjmorenor> bexelbie the representatives schema per region still works?
14:31:25 * chinosoliard don't know what "PR" means...
14:31:30 <bexelbie> PR == pull request
14:31:42 <chinosoliard> ohh, ok. thanks
14:31:42 <bexelbie> williamjmorenor, do you mean are there still treasurers and card holders in each region?
14:31:49 <williamjmorenor> yes
14:33:05 <bexelbie> then yes, that is still true
14:33:17 <bexelbie> unfortunately yn1v[m]'s card is currently broken
14:33:21 <bexelbie> and I am really seriously trying to get it fixed
14:33:24 <bexelbie> but I am covering for it
14:35:18 <williamjmorenor> I supossed to be the history teller in latam but I do not even know is still the hystory teller role
14:35:56 <williamjmorenor> If still the history teller role exists
14:35:59 <williamjmorenor> :(
14:36:00 * bt0_ Is taking notes
14:37:17 <x3mboy> williamjmorenor, Are you going to do the 2017 review for us?
14:38:02 <williamjmorenor> yes will
14:38:41 <bt0_> cool
14:39:19 <x3mboy> williamjmorenor, let me know if you need some help with that
14:43:25 <chinosoliard> should we move to openfloor ?
14:44:39 <williamjmorenor> I will send the draft this weekend
14:44:42 <williamjmorenor> is a pirated
14:44:55 <williamjmorenor> so anyonwe can help
14:45:10 <williamjmorenor> les move open floor
14:45:19 <williamjmorenor> #topic OpenFloor
14:46:52 <williamjmorenor> a todo esto
14:47:05 <williamjmorenor> si apoyo con el presupuesto
14:47:15 <williamjmorenor> no es por el esteriotico de que el contador vea las cuentas
14:48:14 <chinosoliard> no te estaría entendiendo
14:48:40 <williamjmorenor> yo soy Contador Publico Autorizado
14:48:46 <williamjmorenor> no trabajo como informatico
14:49:08 <chinosoliard> si, lo sé! yo (y varios) creemos que sos el indicado para history teller
14:49:21 <williamjmorenor> la comunidad local en nicaragua siempre molesta porque cuando hay que hacer cosas de numeros, presupuestos y demas termino siendo yo quien mira los numeros
14:49:23 <chinosoliard> pero claro, ahora entró la duda de si eso existe o no en la actualidad
14:49:42 <williamjmorenor> con el flujo de trabajo actual
14:49:43 <chinosoliard> williamjmorenor, si! pero me dijeron que has sido de mucha utilidad!
14:49:48 <williamjmorenor> parace que no
14:50:02 <williamjmorenor> pero si voy a tratar de ayudar con el presupuesto
14:51:10 <bt0_> creo que si
14:51:10 <williamjmorenor> creo que estamos lists con este meeting
14:51:18 <williamjmorenor> y podemos cerrarlo
14:51:27 <bt0_> recién vi que buscaban uno en APAC
14:51:35 <chinosoliard> si, no hay mucho para comentar
14:51:59 <chinosoliard> además me estan llamando hace un rato, y no he salido de acá
14:52:18 <chinosoliard> cookieTime
14:52:22 <chinosoliard> bt0++
14:52:24 <chinosoliard> williamjmorenor++
14:52:25 <williamjmorenor> clossing this meeting
14:52:26 <williamjmorenor> 5
14:52:27 <chinosoliard> x3mboy++
14:52:29 <chinosoliard> bexelbie++
14:52:31 <williamjmorenor> 4
14:52:32 <williamjmorenor> 3
14:52:32 <williamjmorenor> 2
14:52:34 <williamjmorenor> 1
14:52:38 <williamjmorenor> #endmeeting