15:30:18 #startmeeting Fedora CommOps (2018-02-12) 15:30:18 Meeting started Mon Feb 12 15:30:18 2018 UTC. The chair is jwf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:30:18 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:30:18 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_commops_(2018-02-12)' 15:30:18 #meetingname commops 15:30:18 The meeting name has been set to 'commops' 15:30:19 #nick commops 15:30:23 #topic Agenda 15:30:34 #link https://infinote.fedoraproject.org/cgit/infinote/tree/meeting-templates/fedora-commops-meeting-next 15:30:34 #info (1) Roll call / Q&A 15:30:35 #info (2) Announcements 15:30:35 #info (3) Action items from last meeting 15:30:35 #info (4) Tickets 15:30:36 #info (5) Open floor 15:30:40 #topic Roll call / Q&A 15:30:46 #info Name; Timezone; Sub-projects/Interest Areas 15:30:46 #action commops New members, make sure you introduce yourself on the CommOps mailing list [ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommOps/Join ] 15:30:52 If this is your first time at a CommOps meeting, feel free to introduce yourself to everyone and say hello! If anyone has any questions before we get started with the rest of the agenda, now is also a good time to ask. 15:31:05 #info Justin W. Flory; UTC-5; CommOps, Diversity Team 15:31:48 #Alberto Rodriguez S; UTC-5; CommOps, Marketing, dotnet , Ambassadors 15:32:36 bt0_: I think the #info escaped you :D 15:32:39 Good morning! 15:32:43 #info Rhea the Bunny; UTC+1; .NET and inclusion warrior. 15:32:49 #info Dennis W. Otugo; UTC +1; Commops 15:33:01 #chair bt0 bt0_ Rhea wesleyotugo 15:33:01 Current chairs: Rhea bt0 bt0_ jwf wesleyotugo 15:34:03 Hello everyone 15:34:16 o/ 15:34:27 s14ck: Hi, welcome! 15:34:31 o/ 15:34:45 I'm the new guy here 15:35:51 I've sent you the self-intriduction email on the mail list 15:35:52 s14ck: Hello, Welcome 15:36:17 s14ck: Did you bring your armour? Full plate recommended. 15:36:46 s14ck: I saw your intro make it to the list, but I didn't have a chance to read yet. I'll give a full reply after our meeting. 15:36:49 For now, welcome! 15:36:51 ohh, Jhoanir right? 15:36:55 welcome 15:36:58 Feel free to introduce yourself in the #info format like mentioned above: 15:37:06 #info Name; Timezone; Sub-projects/Interest Areas 15:37:14 hahaha, just shoot me Rhea 15:38:17 Oh, hey bee_! 15:38:21 #chair bee2502 bee_ 15:38:21 Current chairs: Rhea bee2502 bee_ bt0 bt0_ jwf wesleyotugo 15:39:01 s14ck Have you talked to any ambassadors in Ecuador? They might already have some local group.. 15:39:03 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Ambassadors_from_Ecuador?rd=CategoryAmbassadorsEcuador 15:39:13 #info Jhoanir Torres; GMT-5; fi-apprentice and Classroom/With many interest in rise a local group here in Ecuador 15:39:33 s14ck++ Awesome, welcome! 15:39:35 jwf: Karma for jhoanir changed to 2 (for the f27 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 15:39:39 .hello bee2502 15:39:40 bee_: bee2502 'Bhagyashree Padalkar' 15:39:52 jwf o/ 15:40:11 Today's meeting may go a little fast, but feel free to ask questions if you're confused. A lot of our discussion today is follow-up from our team sprint last week: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_CommOps_2018 15:40:17 bee_: yes but, nobody have time/interest in the local community 15:40:28 We can move forward with the agenda since we're 10m after start. 15:40:36 #topic Announcements 15:40:41 #info === "Call for Outreachy mentors for Summer 2018" === 15:40:41 #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/outreachy-mentors-summer-2018/ 15:40:41 #info Outreachy mentors with projects are needed! Participate in Fedora's Outreachy program for summer 2018 as a mentor to work with bright, talented interns. Read labbott's blog post for more info. 15:40:53 #info === CommOps FAD completed === 15:40:53 #info The CommOps FAD ended on 31 Jan. Keep an eye out for an event report on the Community Blog. 15:41:03 #info === "Rescheduling hack sessions?" === 15:41:03 #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/commops@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/XZS6FJ2PPDGWJW4DI5FBDMDLK5TEI33I/ 15:41:03 #info jwf is blocked at the current time for hack sessions – proposing to move them to Saturdays, 17:00-18:00 UTC. Check out the mailing list thread if you are interested in joining the hack sessions. 15:41:08 15:41:16 Anyone else have anything to share? 15:41:48 We have not had hack sessions for a while now 15:41:54 it's possible move it to sunday? 15:42:19 -1 15:42:23 wesleyotugo: We were doing some in December, but it wasn't consistent. I haven't been able to make them since the winter holidays. 15:42:39 s14ck: We could, depending on when people are available. I proposed a weekend date because that's easier for me to make than weekdays. 15:42:45 The hack sessions are sort of like office hours 15:43:11 wesleyotugo: we've been away at conferences, hence no meetings or hack sessions. Plus Christmas and stuff... 15:43:14 They're not mandatory and mostly are a chance to work on Fedora work together with others, and ask questions if you need to: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Hack_session 15:44:26 Anyways, if you are interested, please chime in on the mailing list. If there's a lot of interest, then we can set up a WhenIsGood too 15:44:46 I'm -1 to weekends because that's work and weekends are not-work, that said, you might as well ignore my vote because I won't participate in the coming months anyway, I've got way too much other work heading my way. 15:44:47 We could do either Saturday or Sunday – weekdays are more difficult for me. 15:45:19 Okay thanks for the explanations. Also weekend could also work for me 15:45:20 Rhea: Noted. 15:45:32 Any other announcements to share? 15:45:55 Announcements, going once… 15:46:03 ! 15:46:08 Rhea: Go for it! 15:46:09 I got a new plush toy. 15:46:16 :) 15:46:23 going twice... 15:46:25 :D 15:46:32 #topic Action items from last meeting 15:46:39 #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2018-01-22/commops.2018-01-22-15.30.html 15:46:45 #info How This Works: We look at past #action items from the last meeting for quick follow-up. If a task is completed, we move on to the next one. If it isn't, we get an update and re-action if needed. If no status, we'll try to get a quick update and move forward. 15:46:56 #info === [INCOMPLETE] "x3mboy Open new CommOps ticket with expanded idea on improving communication from public to Ambassadors" === 15:47:04 #nick x3mboy 15:47:07 #action x3mboy Open new CommOps ticket with expanded idea on improving communication from public to Ambassadors 15:47:20 I think this fell off because of the FAD and everything going on last week 15:47:32 Will give a chance to follow up now that the dust is settling. :) 15:47:36 #info New action items from FAD – revisiting during tickets 15:47:48 That's the only one I had marked for follow-up from our last meeting 15:48:47 #topic Tickets 15:48:51 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issues?tags=meeting 15:48:59 #info === Ticket #125: "[TRACKER TICKET] Organize a CommOps FAD" === 15:48:59 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/125 15:49:10 Sorry, I'm being pulled into work call, I'm away for 5-10 minutes 15:49:31 * Rhea needs to go to bathroom instead 15:50:06 * Rhea posts a link to a bunch of invoices in the #125 15:50:35 hahaha 15:53:18 I'm getting pulled into something longer :( 15:53:36 The main follow-up I wanted to do here was go through the tickets we discussed and assign action items according to our timeline 15:53:45 https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issues?tags=FAD 15:55:12 I've saw the tkts but is not clear what exactly is needed. 15:55:50 I think we have some tasks for this upcoming month for Fedora Appreciation week 15:56:49 I'm sorry, I won't be able to finish this meeting 15:57:04 We need to work on a template for contributor stories.. 15:57:04 I'm planning to work on a draft for the FAD on the CommBlog 15:57:06 who can take the lead? 15:57:56 #action jwf Work on first draft of FAD event report, share with team for feedback by 2017-02-16 15:58:27 I can chair for a while. 15:59:09 another task is pending? 15:59:28 s14ck We have a few tickets pending.. 16:00:02 For the FAD ticket, I think just the summary blog post remains .. jwf will work on a draft for that. 16:00:38 I am going to move on to next ticket then for Fedora Appreciation Week which we discussed in FAD 16:00:56 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/110 16:01:15 #link https://etherpad.persephone.cloud/p/commops-fad-2018 16:02:19 According to our planned timeline, we need to come up with a template to collect stories from contributors for Fedora Appreciation Week by Feb end. 16:03:22 and also collect stories from CommOps members and write a Community Blog post about Fedora Appreciation Week. 16:04:04 I think we have a draft for the template here: https://etherpad.persephone.cloud/p/commops-faw-2018-template 16:05:14 Everyone please leave your suggestions by next week.. so that we can start working on the CommBlog post afterwards 16:05:28 For the Appreciation Week template? 16:05:33 jwf yes 16:05:47 Okay, cool, I can take a look this week too 16:05:51 ok 16:06:11 #action commops Review Fedora Appreciation Week template to collect contributor stories, leave any feedback in the Etherpad: https://etherpad.persephone.cloud/p/commops-faw-2018-template 16:06:15 jwf is the Pagure repo done yet? 16:06:58 I have some stories I would like to submit :P 16:07:00 bee_: Not sure. Rhea was going to do this but not sure if it's created yet? 16:07:42 what do you mean with: "1x1 pings for stories"? 16:07:50 There were 4 people added to the task, so I removed myself. 16:08:03 Rhea: Ah, okay, we can follow-up on it then 16:08:39 I didn't look back at the pad yet, too much multitasking right now… 16:09:06 s14ck We are planning to organize Fedora Appreciation week where we collect stories about community members to show our appreciation for their contributions etc. I think the task is related to pining community members to ask tem to write stories about someone in te community tey would like to thank. 16:09:19 *collect and publish 16:10:25 s14ck We would love it if you could write a story about someone in the Fedora community you really want to appreciate for their work (sort of like happiness packets) 16:10:39 #link https://www.happinesspackets.io/ 16:12:02 bee_: Maybe it would help to solicit feedback on the mailing list too for the template. 16:12:13 jwf Do you think you can create a Pagure repo? 16:12:23 bee_: Actually, yes. I think I can do that. 16:12:25 Yeah, I can do that underneath the CommOps group 16:12:40 jwf I will send an email to CommOps. 16:12:51 bee2502++ 16:13:07 jwf great, then once the template is agreed upon, I can write up some stories. 16:13:23 s14ck Looking forward to reading it :) 16:13:40 bee_: reading right now 16:13:53 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/contributor-stories 16:13:59 We can fill in the details later 16:15:29 Other than the event report and feedback on the FAW template, is there anything urgent to cover before next Monday? 16:15:32 Did we open a ticket with infra for happiness packet hosting during FAD? 16:15:44 bee_: Oh, no, this would be great if you or jonatoni could do this 16:16:05 I started on it but didn't finish 16:16:16 Wireless problems :P 16:16:34 Can you add an action item? 16:16:43 Yep! 16:17:16 Just to confirm, if infra is okay with it, does anyone have a problem for proposing happiness packet project for OUtreachy and GSOC both? 16:17:25 #action bee2502 jonatoni Start discussion with Fedora Infra on requirements to host our own Happiness Packet site (inc. Python / Django, PostgreSQL, etc.) 16:17:27 #nick jonatoni 16:17:32 bee_: no issues from me! 16:17:38 Would love to see it be a proposal for both 16:17:48 I would like to suggest the same for Perceval Plugin and UI/UX project too... 16:18:04 I think skamath was considering the same for Perceval, but we should follow up with him 16:18:25 sumantro and a2batic were looking at the UI/UX project, but we should also follow up with them since the Outreachy mentor deadline approaches 16:19:25 #action jwf Follow-up with GSoC mentors on interest to also be Outreachy mentors 16:19:30 jwf I think there was an email about it. 16:20:00 I had a generic "wouldn't it be nice if" email, but I can do more concrete asking since we're running out of time 16:20:19 I will assume you and jonatoni are covered on this and to discuss between yourselves 16:20:26 I'll follow up with others 16:21:34 jwf Great! Regarding the metrics tasks, I am not sure where we are on them.. 16:21:59 #link https://etherpad.persephone.cloud/p/commops-fad-2018 16:22:10 if you need to recheck the timeline... 16:22:56 My impromptu work meeting ended, so I can jump back in 16:23:00 I have to run now.. have exams bye o/ 16:23:10 bee_: Ciao, good luck! 16:23:58 For metrics work, skamath has an action item to install Grimoire on the CommOps cloud instance. 16:24:16 Anyone that has the Etherpad open, I'm looking at line 498 and below 16:24:33 Hey. 16:24:37 .hello skamath 16:24:38 skamath: skamath 'Sachin S Kamath ' 16:24:42 Sorry I was caught up with work. 16:24:58 I just opened a ticket today to open the web ports on CommOps. We're live now. 16:25:03 http://commops.fedorainfracloud.org/ 16:25:09 Well, atleast apache works :P 16:25:17 skamath: Oh hi! 16:25:22 #chair skamath 16:25:22 Current chairs: Rhea bee2502 bee_ bt0 bt0_ jwf skamath wesleyotugo 16:25:45 skamath: Excellent. Do you have a follow-up action for the next week? 16:26:00 jwf, I think it's just going to be a re-action 16:26:04 I will setup grimoire. 16:26:14 I am running a perceval cron right now to gather askbot data 16:26:23 I am there, partially. 16:26:36 It's taking forever to get the data starting from 2011 :p 16:26:46 skamath: Do you have a preference for Feb. 19 or 26 to finish set-up? Note this didn't include getting a data feed in there, just a basic instance for us to plug and play into 16:27:01 jwf, 19 should be fine. 16:27:02 For March, the goal was to get mailing list data imported via Perceval 16:27:06 Super! 16:27:16 I cannot promise to setup the frontend but I can definitely get the CLI tools running 16:27:29 #action skamath Finish installing Grimoire on CommOps cloud instance by 2018-02-19, share link to mailing list when finished 16:27:43 skamath: no worries, keep us up to date on your progress. 16:27:49 awesome skamath++ 16:28:12 Okay, I think this is all the immediate action items for this week 16:28:16 Yep, I will keep you posted on the mailing list :) 16:28:29 skamath++ since you are here, what do you think about perceval project for OUtreachy? 16:28:39 * s14ck finishing laundry right now 16:28:40 Ohh, yeah, I almost forgot 16:28:51 s14ck: That reminds me… :P 16:28:55 Hmm, I am not really sure. I think it is a better fit for GSoC because it is very code intensive. 16:29:13 skamath: Outreachy can be code-intensive or not too 16:29:19 skamath They are a lot of coding projects in Outreachy. 16:29:21 Normally our past Outreachy interns are hacking on the Linux kernel 16:29:32 * skamath is not sure about Outreachy. Don't get me wrong 16:29:39 Oh super! 16:29:41 So I think code-intensive is definitely in scope, if that's the concern. 16:30:04 When does the application period of Outreachy start? 16:30:10 Is it before or after GSoC? 16:30:22 *GSoC application period 16:30:38 I think the GSoC orgs were announced today.. 16:30:44 Not yet. 16:31:13 Although it will be announced today, the application period is from March 12 - 27, 2018 16:31:44 skamath The Outreachy application period will start before GSoC in that sense. 16:32:20 Interns can begin applying as early as tomorrow 16:32:26 If I understand correctly 16:32:41 I was thinking of putting it there, and selecting the best out of both GSoC and Outreachy pool of applications 16:32:46 jwf I think you can apply only after March 12 but contact orgs starting tmrw 16:32:47 skamath: Could you file a new ticket in mentored-projects for Outreachy + Perceval? 16:32:49 But I am not sure if the application periods match 16:33:25 I don't see a definite date on the Outreachy website. 16:34:05 Would it be unfair to compare applications across programs? 16:34:12 * s14ck back again 16:34:14 I have never mentored for Outreachy before. 16:34:26 skamath Outreachy applications will have a deadline around March end... but participants are encouraged to continue contributing after so like community bonding but without knowing whether you have been selected or not. 16:34:52 skamath It wouldnt be unfair. Outreachy encourages selecting applicants via GSoC too. 16:35:06 bee_, I saw that email and I wanted to clarify on that. 16:35:48 Does that mean they can do both GSoC + Outreachy or is it something like - if there is an eligible Outreachy candidate who applied for SoC, they can work on the Outreachy project? 16:35:52 skamath so some applicants have applied to same project via GSoC and Outreachy both and have been selected via GSoC. 16:36:45 skamath - they will work through SoC then. The project will have more visibility if it's in both programs. 16:37:04 But they can't do Outreachy + GSoC at the same time, right? 16:37:14 (on the same project of course) 16:37:26 skamath - no, you can select them thru either one of those programs 16:37:35 Ok, sounds good. 16:37:56 I'm okay with putting the project under Outreachy too then. 16:38:00 I'll file an issue :) 16:38:28 skamath - the applications for Outreachy are a bit different - you dont propose your own timeline etc, the mentors works with you on it and I also think its a requirement to have PRs submitted during outreachy application. 16:38:43 #action skamath file an issue in mentored-projects repo for including perceval project in Outreachy 16:39:03 skamath . Make small, consistent contributions to the project(s) you've chosen. Each project will have a set of tasks for you to complete to see if you like working on the project. It's less important that you make a big, last minute contribution, and more important that you're in contact with the mentors, asking questions, and sending small contributions at a steady pace. Only applicants that make at least one contribution 16:39:56 skamath can you also co-ordinate with a2batic about UI/UX project? 16:40:02 bee_, That's what I am worried about. I think this is a big task to accomplish and requires atleast 40+ hours of work every week. 16:40:10 That should be okay, right? 16:40:33 40+ hours from mentor or the student during the application? 16:40:37 Student, 16:41:12 bee_, If the UI/UX project should be moved to Outreachy, Android backend should be too. 16:41:26 It's ideal the $students follow the same coding period and co-ordinate with each other 16:41:59 skamath It can also be a small task.. maybe integrating the existing perceval plugins on local version? 16:42:44 bee_, perceval comes with them. I don't think there's any work required on that. 16:42:50 skamath Is there a reason why android and UI/UX both cannot be suggested for Outreachy? 16:43:22 bee_, All I am saying is, UI/UX alone cannot move. The Android backend will have to move along with it 16:43:48 There are two android projects. If one moves, the other one should as well. 16:44:11 https://docs.fedoraproject.org/mentored-projects/gsoc/2018/ideas.html#improve-fedora-android-app-ui-ux-research-and-design 16:44:16 https://docs.fedoraproject.org/mentored-projects/gsoc/2018/ideas.html#improve-fedora-android-app-backend 16:44:37 I'm +1 to moving these to Outreachy as well but we have only one slot, right 16:45:21 skamath you can select them through GSoC.. Have them listed for both programs? 16:45:32 *GSoC, if you want 16:45:42 That sounds good to me 16:45:56 same for me 16:46:01 I'll leave the decision to Kanika and sumantrom[m] 16:46:04 time check, 15m left in the meeting 16:46:11 skamath: Could you follow-up with both of them? 16:46:19 Yep, I can do that. 16:46:34 #action skamath Follow-up with a2batic and sumantro on GSoC projects for Outreachy 16:46:36 I'll ask them to reply to the thread so that we'll all know at once ;) 16:46:37 Awesome, thanks! 16:46:50 I think this is all the areas of immediate attention from post-FAD follow-up? 16:47:06 so labbott just mailed -- it seems in this round, it's more difficult to transfer.. 16:47:11 Is there anything else we need to cover before our meeting next week? 16:47:33 👋🏻 Hello 🙂 16:47:42 but it would be good to still have a followup 16:47:43 Hii 16:48:04 Hello, people who emerged from the Matrix! 16:48:27 it seems we are late :/ sorry 16:48:31 * skamath waves to jonatoni|m and sumantrom[m] in binaries 16:49:32 Since we're at the meeting end, let's take the follow-up into channel or emails. I don't see labbott's email 16:49:53 check jwf@fedoraproject.org 16:50:17 Oh, see it now 16:50:21 Okay, hmm 16:50:39 Let's move this follow-up either to email or discussion in channel so we can free the meeting channel for who's next. 16:50:46 okay 16:51:15 #agreed Will follow-up on GSoC + Outreachy discussions in channel / via email; from labbott's email, need to determine if GSoC + Outreachy projects can transfer easily 16:51:31 #agreed All immediate action items for FAD addressed, will follow up next week to continue our timeline 16:51:35 #topic Open floor 16:51:41 Anyone else have anything to add in here? 16:51:58 Sorry if today's meeting was a little disorganized, I didn't expect surprise work meeting in the middle 16:52:06 Sorry for missing the meeting. 16:52:08 Thanks bee2502++ for chairing on the fly 16:52:29 too many things todo here 16:52:29 I had a crazy night and.. I'm still recovering from it. 16:52:34 chairing on the fly sound less fun that flying on the chair 16:52:46 nauticalnexus[m]: No worries – the minutes are always available 16:52:55 misc, lolol 16:53:03 misc: Maybe we need to instate flying carpets over chairs, that sounds much more fun to me. :D 16:53:10 Or 16:53:16 .chair jwf 16:53:16 jwf is seated in a chair with a nice view of a placid lake, unsuspecting that another chair is about to be slammed into them. 16:53:20 SLAM! 16:53:25 Oh, ouch! 16:53:27 * jwf ducks 16:53:44 wesleyotugo: Since we went almost straight to the end of the meeting time, I will try and follow up on your CommBlog post tonight. 16:53:57 wesleyotugo: I'll throw it into a tab and try to get you some feedback before tomorrow. 16:54:23 s14ck: I hope the meeting wasn't too difficult to follow! Next week, I'll work on selecting some starter tasks if you're interested in jumping into some of the things we're working on. :) 16:54:53 Anyone have anything for open floor? 16:55:10 Otherwise, I'll close out and get the minutes to the list before my next work meeting 16:55:32 jwf: great! 16:55:40 just want to say Outreachy applications are now open 16:55:40 Open floor, going once… 16:55:43 #link https://www.outreachy.org/apply/project-selection/ 16:56:05 s14ck: One of the best ways to get a grip on what we're doing is to read through our Pagure tickets in pagure.io/fedora-commops/ 16:56:06 skamath you can find a timeline there.. 16:56:22 s14ck: Feel free to comment on anything that seems interesting, or to ask for more info in #fedora-commops. 16:56:32 #info Outreachy applications are now open: https://www.outreachy.org/apply/project-selection/ 16:56:43 Thanks bee_! 16:57:00 Open floor, going twice… 16:57:10 And thrice… 16:57:18 jwf: thanks! I miss the topic when you talk about GSoC 16:57:24 Okay, phew, thanks for coming out today everyone! 16:57:33 I'll see you in #fedora-commops :-) 16:57:50 cool 16:57:54 s14ck: I'm glad you could make it into the meeting today! We can discuss about GSoC back in #fedora-commops if you're interested. 16:57:56 #endmeeting