14:15:59 #startmeeting Fedora LATAM 14:15:59 Meeting started Fri May 11 14:15:59 2018 UTC. 14:15:59 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 14:15:59 The chair is chinosoliard. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:15:59 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:15:59 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_latam' 14:16:12 .fas lbazan 14:16:13 lbazan: lbazan 'Luis Enrique Bazán De León' 14:16:20 * lbazan Panama 14:16:41 #topic RollCall 14:16:45 .fas chinosoliard 14:16:45 chinosoliard: asoliard 'Soliard, Adrian D.' 14:16:48 * chinosoliard from Argentina 14:16:53 .fas lbazan 14:16:53 lbazan: lbazan 'Luis Enrique Bazán De León' 14:16:57 * lbazan Panama 14:17:27 lbazan, for now, there's nobody here :-/ 14:17:52 chinosoliard: ok 14:18:06 5 minutes to close the meeting 14:18:06 ? 14:18:08 chinosoliard: ? 14:18:59 mmmm, ok... it should start 20 min earlier, and nobody is here 14:19:14 .fas alexove 14:19:15 alexove: alexove 'Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis' 14:19:18 * alexove = Peru 14:19:24 #chair alexove lbazan 14:19:24 Current chairs: alexove chinosoliard lbazan 14:19:24 alexove: o/ 14:19:38 chinosoliard: quorum 4 people or 3? 14:19:47 to continue the meeting? 14:20:20 4 for approving, but being serious, we can't discuss anything being 4... 14:20:28 chinosoliard: ok 14:20:59 so, let's wait 5 minutes more, and, if nobody else join, then close 14:21:17 +1 14:21:21 +1 14:22:54 .fas bt0dotninja 14:22:54 bt0_: bt0dotninja 'Alberto Rodriguez Sanchez' 14:22:55 .hello2 14:22:57 itamarjp: itamarjp 'Itamar Reis Peixoto' 14:23:06 chinosoliard: dont close 14:23:14 ok! 14:23:17 #chair itamarjp 14:23:17 Current chairs: alexove chinosoliard itamarjp lbazan 14:23:19 more people in the meeting now :-) 14:23:30 #chair bt0_ 14:23:30 Current chairs: alexove bt0_ chinosoliard itamarjp lbazan 14:23:53 chinosoliard: topic? 14:24:03 #topic Announcements 14:24:11 anyone have an announcement? 14:24:37 not from me 14:24:39 nope for me 14:25:00 ok 14:25:02 .hello2 14:25:03 x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' 14:25:11 #chair x3mboy 14:25:11 Current chairs: alexove bt0_ chinosoliard itamarjp lbazan x3mboy 14:25:14 No annoucement from me 14:25:18 chinosoliard, o/ 14:25:59 I didn't read log from last meeting... It was an action item that we should talk about? 14:26:53 .fas davisclick 14:26:54 davisclick_: davisclick 'Davis Alvarez' 14:27:05 hi davisclick_ 14:27:13 ok... 14:27:19 let's move to pagure 14:27:36 #link https://pagure.io/ambassadors-latam/tasks/issues?status=Open&tags=Meeting 14:27:45 No actions from last meeting 14:27:57 #topic Tickets 14:28:10 #link https://pagure.io/ambassadors-latam/tasks/issues?status=Open&tags=Meeting 14:28:15 :) thanks, x3mboy 14:28:19 ;) 14:28:52 cool 14:28:55 as you can see, there's only one ticket, from Yulytas, and another one from x3mboy (I think we talk about removing meeting tag from that one, or no?) 14:28:56 We have 2 tickets, 1 is for Perú SWAG 14:29:11 Nope, I put it recently 14:29:11 Ohh, sorry, it has 10 days! 14:29:11 :D 14:29:20 yes, I see it, sorry! 14:29:27 ;) 14:29:34 let's talk about that one, ok? 14:29:37 Ok 14:29:47 ok 14:29:50 #topic Issue 423 - Sessions to improve Ambassadors skills 14:29:54 #link https://pagure.io/ambassadors-latam/tasks/issue/423 14:30:03 I want to retake this initiative 14:30:18 * chinosoliard is reading 14:30:28 x3mboy> I want to retake this initiative <- not a bad idea 14:30:45 I'm proposing a new date: 08-Jun-2018 14:30:51 Sorry 14:30:56 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events/Latam/vFADs/2018 14:31:03 I need to put this link in the ticket 14:31:17 Done! 14:31:46 * chinosoliard pressed "F5" 14:32:52 Since I'm really involved in the project, being part of Mindshare, and from the Marketing perspective, I think I can do a great first session about the "How to contribute?" and I think it will help us to reach the objective of attract new contributors 14:33:21 look... I think this is a g-r-e-a-t idea... what about calling people without FAS, maybe people get interested and start contributing in some way 14:33:51 This session should include: Project Structure; SIGs, WGs and subprojects 14:33:57 people without FAS == people outside the project 14:34:00 chinosoliard, I don't have problems with that 14:34:06 Indeed, I think is a good idea 14:34:15 we need to include join SIG 14:34:20 e.g.: the people that is being "mentored" by yulytas 14:34:26 bt0_: +1 14:34:27 bt0_, great idea 14:34:47 we should talk with bexelbie, 'cause the bluejean account comes from him, and I don't know what kind of permission do we have 14:35:05 x3mboy> e.g.: the people that is being "mentored" by yulytas <- +10000 14:35:27 chinosoliard, well, now that I'm working hard with the podcast, I really think we can pull it off using jitsi meet 14:35:46 jitsi++ 14:36:05 mmmm, I have a doubt about "the issue"... 14:36:23 chinosoliard, shoot at me 14:37:23 why did you create an issue and don't use ML?... I'm asking that, because I think people **don't read mails**, and you take that in mind... 14:37:31 am I ok? 14:38:08 I mean, if you send that propose via ML, it was the same? 14:38:38 chinosoliard: the people don't read... 14:38:40 I'm not shouting you! 14:38:54 I'm not shouting you! <- x3mboy 14:39:18 I meant: give me your question 14:39:19 xD 14:39:22 I'm only asking, if there's a better way to improve this kind of actions that don't really need a budget, only need attention from LATAM people 14:39:25 Well, I really use the issue because I need to track 14:39:55 Mails get lost, reading the issue is easier to track doubts and to take historical comments 14:40:00 Well, I really use the issue because I need to track <- Yeah, that's a very good reason... and necessary 14:40:46 True! You're right. 14:41:01 Ok. That's my only doubt. Sorry for the interruption 14:41:07 No problem ;) 14:41:30 Well, I'm planning in work with the presentation next week and I will share it via the ticket 14:41:56 Ok! sounds great! 14:41:57 But what I really want if people to take a step in and define next 2 sessions 14:42:06 With dates and speaker 14:42:08 :D 14:42:23 Sorry, not to put pressure, but I think it will be great to plan at least 3 sessions 14:42:30 Maybe, if gain enough track 14:42:41 We can include the whole Ambassadors 14:42:45 presentation will be only for LATAM? 14:42:57 *same time* 14:43:06 x3mboy> We can include the whole Ambassadors <- Ok! 14:43:13 Well, in first place I think it for LATAM 14:43:23 But I'm not sure if we can scope it just for us 14:44:06 Let's evaluate the quorum 14:44:08 Well, pass to the next ticket and let's put all this conversation in the ticket. 14:44:12 wdyt? 14:44:40 wdyt? <- what's the meaning of that? 14:45:04 chinosoliard: next ticket? 14:45:22 chinosoliard: https://pagure.io/ambassadors-latam/tasks/issue/460 14:45:23 wdyt? = what do you think? 14:45:30 x3mboy: :O 14:46:05 x3mboy> wdyt? = what do you think? <- JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa 14:46:10 * lbazan really 14:46:11 xD 14:46:16 jajajajaja 14:46:29 Sorry, too many internet 14:46:37 chinosoliard: next ticket or next topic x3mboy put the info in the ticket chinosoliard :-) 14:46:43 ok... I think it's ok! Maybe when doing the first presentation, a lot of *global* ambassadors joins 14:46:55 I think that too 14:47:07 ok... Move to next ticket! 14:47:23 #action x3mboy continue with the presentation 14:47:33 #topic issue 460 - Swag for Fedora Lima Events 14:47:34 #action all put comments and ideas in the ticket 14:48:16 #link https://pagure.io/ambassadors-latam/tasks/issue/460 14:48:42 #action all put comments and ideas in the ticket <- This action will be inside previous issue? :-/ 14:48:48 Yes 14:49:01 For me is shown inside the previous one 14:49:10 Just ine second before 14:49:15 s/ine/one 14:49:48 I just want to say... 14:49:55 that I'm -1 with this issue 14:50:00 chinosoliard: the swag is for flisol? or peru peolpe? 14:50:39 seriously, yulytas always ask for SWAG, and "her" people is not active contributors, *we* don't know anyone! 14:50:45 .fas 14:50:45 blackfile: (fas ) -- Search the Fedora Account System usernames, full names, and email addresses for a match. 14:50:51 blackfile: o/ 14:50:52 .fas blackfile 14:50:52 blackfile: blackfile 'Luis Manuel Segundo' 14:51:03 :-O blackfile!!!! 14:51:10 blackfile++ 14:51:11 chinosoliard: Karma for blackfile changed to 1 (for the f28 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 14:51:14 hello guys 14:51:15 nice to have you here, blackfile 14:51:15 I'm -1 for the following reason: requesting SWAG for "upcomming events" that are not planned yet 14:51:22 blackfile, o/ 14:51:33 Thanks chinosoliard 14:51:39 chinosoliard: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Project_Wiki/FedoraLimaParty2018 14:51:41 x3mboy> I'm -1 for the following reason: requesting SWAG for "upcomming events" that are not planned yet <- lbazan, this! 14:52:08 As we discuss with williamjmorenor, if you have a plan you can request SWAG for 10 events, 100 events, 1000 events, but planend events 14:52:20 we already have SWAG from USA in way... so, she should wait 14:52:44 ok... let's do it short (as we say in .ar)... 14:52:47 vote... 14:52:57 Remember that we are trying to avoid SWAG warehouse 14:53:01 -1 14:53:02 chinosoliard: ok who receive the swag in Perú? 14:53:04 -1 14:53:32 chinosoliard: ok who receive the swag in Perú? <- I don't know. Ping alexove! 14:53:51 lbazan, Perú has a problem they need to solve in some way 14:53:53 chinosoliard: Peru can share material. 14:54:01 -1 for the ticket 14:54:31 bt0, bt0_ can you vote? 14:54:35 0 14:54:54 chinosoliard: if you can not share you have problem... 14:55:04 chinosoliard: who receive the swag in peru 14:55:16 alexove: ping 14:55:16 lbazan: Ping with data, please: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/No_naked_pings 14:55:25 ok 14:55:27 zodbot sorry 14:55:44 lbazan, we are trying to deliver per event, or per planned events, so there is no necessary a "contact" to deliver all the swag 14:55:46 hahaha 14:55:57 chinosoliard: xD 14:56:13 if I don't know who is the person to receive the swag I will 0 14:56:36 I think that people in Peru is active, and Yulytas too, but she is working alone, without contacto with other peruvians+fedorians 14:56:39 I will take Nicaragua as example, they have a whole year of events already planned, and they request swag for all of them 14:56:59 That's the way we should work 14:57:02 and the main problem is that she's organizing events since 2 years, but we don't know anyone! 14:57:21 x3mboy, storing the swag in USA and not delivering them is a kind of SWAG warehouse 14:57:24 x3mboy> That's the way we should work <- +10 14:57:36 itamarjp> x3mboy, storing the swag in USA and not delivering them is a kind of SWAG warehouse <- +1 too 14:58:18 right and for the moment it works if we follow the process 14:58:25 Not ddelivering is not true, but you can see it as you want 14:58:44 itamarjp, since you did your rant and close your own ticket, there is no much to day there 14:59:07 chinosoliard: -3 one 0 itamarjp your vote please for this ticket? 14:59:28 +1 to all tickets requesting stuff 14:59:35 itamarjp: ok 15:00:00 s/day/say 15:00:08 .fas alyaj2a 15:00:08 alyaj2a: alyaj2a 'Aly Yuliza Machaca Mamani' 15:00:10 chinosoliard: not close the ticket put need more info... 15:00:11 * alyaj2a from Peru 15:00:20 lbazan, +1 15:00:32 alyaj2a: o/ 15:00:43 itamarjp, I understand your position, but I'm a little angry with yulytas' actitude. I know she is doing too much for promoting Fedora, but she didn't present us anybody, her students don't know the community 15:01:10 chinosoliard: +1 15:01:20 For me this ticket need: Events details, the contact needs to be an Ambassador 15:01:24 chinosoliard: not close the ticket put need more info... <- I will tag it as "fix", and request for +info 15:01:55 the contact needs to be an Ambassador <- w? who is the contact? 15:02:03 x3mboy: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Project_Wiki/FedoraLimaParty2018 15:02:07 event details 15:02:25 Oh... we've a really big problem here... we need to explain every point to yulytas 15:03:05 <lbazan> x3mboy: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Project_Wiki/FedoraLimaParty2018 <- bad URL 15:03:12 lbazan, 1 event detail, not "upcoming events" 15:03:17 we're talking about *path* since last year! 15:03:20 chinosoliard, I think we can improve that part, I know some very good people from Lima that can become contributors. 15:03:30 Also, I'm tired of asking to pust the events in the right path 15:03:42 s/pust/put 15:03:51 itamarjp: +1 15:04:05 <itamarjp> chinosoliard, I think we can improve that part, I know some very good people from Lima that can become contributors. <- We've spended a lot of budget with those guys, itamarjp... 2 years of yulytas' parties 15:04:27 !!!!!!! 15:04:43 I'll tag the the ticket as "fix" 15:04:52 chinosoliard: you have reports for the events? 15:04:54 and comment the link of "event guideline" 15:04:59 chinosoliard: you have results? 15:05:12 chinosoliard: how many new contributors have fedora? 15:05:20 <lbazan> chinosoliard: you have reports for the events? <- It's necesarry to write the reports! 15:05:28 chinosoliard: 2 years I thing so 5 or 10 people 15:05:28 if you want reimbursement 15:05:30 new? 15:05:39 echevemaster, o/ 15:05:46 echevemaster? wtf???? 15:05:47 Hi everyone. 15:05:47 jajajaja 15:05:54 Yes chinosoliard 15:05:56 echevemaster, how are you man! 15:05:57 I'm back 15:05:59 ? 15:06:00 welcome everybody! I'm really confused! a lot of people here!!!! 15:06:03 welcome back 15:06:07 x3mboy, I'm doing great 15:06:09 * x3mboy is glad to echevemaster again 15:06:15 echevemaster++ 15:06:15 x3mboy: Karma for echevemaster changed to 2 (for the f28 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 15:06:16 chinosoliard: you say 2 years spended lot of budget you have results? 15:06:22 o/ 15:06:25 Thanks bro! 15:06:31 echevemaster: o/ 15:06:32 chinosoliard: you say 2 years spended lot of budget you have results? <- No! 15:06:36 lbazan, hi bro! 15:06:41 I don't understand your question, lbazan 15:06:44 lbazan, she said she had a lot of mentorees, but I stil don't know any of them 15:06:46 chinosoliard: ok -1 for this ticket 15:06:57 thats all you don't have results 15:07:01 What is the ticket we are discussing? 15:07:06 Sorry for be late. 15:07:09 you don't have new people 15:07:15 echevemaster, https://pagure.io/ambassadors-latam/tasks/issue/460 15:07:35 and bt0 will do it 15:07:41 ok ok ok! guys! let's write quietly, it has a long time since the last "full of people" meeting 15:07:58 #chair echevemaster 15:07:58 Current chairs: alexove bt0_ chinosoliard echevemaster itamarjp lbazan x3mboy 15:08:01 #chair alyaj2a 15:08:01 Current chairs: alexove alyaj2a bt0_ chinosoliard echevemaster itamarjp lbazan x3mboy 15:08:06 alyaj2a, o/ 15:08:22 so... let me talk, please 15:08:23 ! 15:08:29 chinosoliard, go ahead 15:08:29 as i said before... 15:08:36 I'll tag the the ticket as "fix" 15:08:41 and comment the link of "event guideline" 15:08:50 ! for open floor 15:08:53 chinosoliard: o/ 15:09:08 hi linuxmodder 15:09:14 chinosoliard, +1 15:09:31 and we need to clarify, via email, pagure, etc... that (sorry for the CAP) IT'S NECESSARY 1 TICKET/ISSUE PER EVENT 15:09:41 EOM 15:09:48 ! 15:09:51 * chinosoliard is thinking in going smoking 15:09:57 go ahead, x3mboy 15:10:07 I'm not agree with the 1 ticket per event 15:10:17 x3mboy, why not 15:10:55 IMHO, I can request SWAG for 10 events, have 1 shipping, and then make another ticket for funding 10 events, have 1 reimburshment 15:11:01 2 tickets 15:11:33 * alexove se disculpa tuvo que salir urgente de la oficina 15:11:40 If the things are well planned (and again, Nicaragua as example), you don't need to make people goes through 10 tickets, if they can pass by 2 and read all the necessary info 15:11:42 x3mboy, no! think it! you're going to ask for 10 events, and 4 of that are canceled... 15:12:20 context, I'm seeing a ticket asking swag for the next events, they had 15:12:27 What is the problem 15:12:30 *have* 15:12:43 "So I want to ask the approval the following swag for the event and upcomming events" 15:12:43 chinosoliard, exactly 15:12:47 if 1/10 events is "confused", we can't approve the entire ticket 15:13:27 you have one ticket per event and cite those event tickets in your swag ticket 15:14:17 echevemaster, and the other problem is that the "contact" is not an ambassador: SOLANCH ANNELL CCASA HUARCAYA 15:14:22 linuxmodder, we don't work that way... we create an event ticket, inside this one, is the SWAG, travel (if required), etc 15:14:56 x3mboy, she/he is a contributor? 15:15:26 echevemaster, unkown for us. Assumedly known by yulytas 15:15:32 echevemaster, and the main problem is that yulytas is organizing events for the last 2 years, always telling us that she have people, but we don't know anyone, and she don't show his people our community 15:15:42 I see two problems here. The events for 2018 are not listed. 15:15:52 chinosoliard: +1 15:16:16 If she is asking swag for the next events then she.have to list at least the next events 15:16:17 echevemaster: not have new people, not have results.... :-( 15:16:38 echevemaster, +1 15:16:44 echevemaster: +1 15:16:47 lbazan, echevemaster, she say that she have new people, but "she", not "fedora" 15:16:51 That's why I think the best is to tag as "Fix" 15:17:04 And move on 15:17:14 no! 15:17:18 The another issue, that I see is: 15:17:18 If we don't know the people that will be the contact, we can give a responsability for that swag 15:17:26 can't 15:17:39 we need to make that yulytas, for *one time*, present a ticket in the correct way 15:17:40 So... My vote is. -1 for that ticket 15:17:52 Until she correct the ticket 15:17:57 every ticket she created must be fixed... 15:18:01 And make herself as responsible of the tikcet 15:18:13 The problem with Julutas here is the always 15:18:18 #action chinosoliard tag the the ticket as "fix" 15:18:22 She don't know the rules 15:18:36 echevemaster: +1 15:18:40 She have to following the rules 15:18:42 #action chinosoliard will post the "event guideline" link in the ticket 15:18:47 chinosoliard: anything else? 15:19:01 If she did not it, we have to continue telling her how it works the things 15:19:02 She don't know the rules <- but she's asking for budget since 2 years (or more) 15:19:04 That;s it 15:19:15 chinosoliard, 15:19:15 yes 15:19:29 But, she have to know the rules and the fuidelines 15:19:36 guidelines* 15:19:38 period 15:19:47 She always said, the people is against me 15:19:49 No! 15:19:49 <echevemaster> But, she have to know the rules and the fuidelines <- We're tired of posting in ML, in wiki, in pagure, in IRC, in telegram... 15:20:03 chinosoliard, that is not our business 15:20:06 Is of her 15:20:21 She always said, the people is against me <- She is not so compromised with the communit 15:20:41 I'm not the people that will say that 15:20:53 I trying to say and maintain a point 15:20:58 ok... I'll execute those action right now 15:20:58 She have to following the rules 15:21:04 sorry i need to run 15:21:18 if not, no ticket from her will be approved until she following the guidelines for tickets 15:21:23 We can move forward? 15:21:31 echevemaster: +1 15:21:41 echevemaster: is openfloor 15:21:45 Oh ok 15:21:46 jajaja 15:21:47 LOL 15:22:00 echevemaster: :) 15:22:06 #topic Open Floor 15:22:15 x3mboy: xD 15:22:28 ! 15:22:28 lol 15:22:35 About process, I need to understand some stuff. Cancelled events never passed through my mind 15:22:40 chinosoliard: ? 15:22:41 chinosoliard, goes 15:22:52 nice to have you here, blackfile, echevemaster, lbazan, alyaj2a 15:22:57 EOM 15:23:01 chinosoliard: :-) 15:23:13 :) 15:23:22 chinosoliard: not more topics to discuss finish the meeting? 15:23:27 :-) 15:24:01 linuxmodder, Do you have something? 15:24:25 Was just gonna ask about the success of FLISol 15:25:13 The Flisol is always succesfull 15:25:14 linuxmodder, oh cool! For me was a success, that I'm not collected yet. I think I had 2 new guys that will join to the modularity team, and that's huge! 15:25:40 But we have to improve the way of bringing people to the community 15:25:49 For users, I didn't perform installation, but the local Arduino club is really interested in the Robotic Lab 15:26:22 x3mboy, would you like me to do a robotics updated spin for them ? 15:26:51 FLISoL was succesfull! But I've problem downloading ISOs :-) Not your fault, linuxmodder, the entire city had connectivity problems (unbelievable) 15:27:08