#fedora-meeting-2: Fedora 29 Release Retrospective

Meeting summary

1. 1. Discussion is primarily on Jitsi. This room is mostly for note-taking. Please feel free to add your own notes to the minutes (bcotton, 16:03:19)
   2. https://meet.jit.si/GuiltyCherriesSearchLoyally (bcotton, 16:03:21)
   
   
2. Topic ideas (bcotton, 16:03:34)
   
3. Unannounced changes to core packages (bcotton, 16:05:33)
   
4. "Go" decision despite bugs with updates (bcotton, 16:08:50)
   1. 97% update bug couldn't be reproduced on a clean system because it was trigged by having some multilib packages installed (bcotton, 16:11:42)
   2. ACTION: fzatlouk to propose adding multilib upgrade to release criteria (bcotton, 16:18:34)
   
   
5. missing spins at release (bcotton, 16:19:18)
   1. The question is "how do we balance getting the release in a predictable manner versus letting spins ship when they're ready" (bcotton, 16:22:11)
   2. cloud ppc64le didn't ship because of an intermittent failure on the one compose that happened to end up being the RC (bcotton, 16:23:12)
   3. fzatlouk suggests someone from Spin SIG signs up for releng issues on Pagure so that they get an email with failed deliverables with each build (bcotton, 16:29:52)
   4. AGREED: It would be nice to give Spins the ability to release after the main release if they need to (bcotton, 16:34:58)
   5. mattdm suggests giving each spin owner a "go" button that they have to push in order for the spin to be published (bcotton, 16:35:29)
   6. ACTION: bcotton to discuss mattdm's suggestion with releng (bcotton, 16:36:43)
   
   
6. SELinux denials the first few days after install (bcotton, 16:38:12)
   1. SELinux denials violate release criteria (bcotton, 16:39:30)
   2. No SELinux notifications were not seeing during the last phase of testing (bcotton, 16:41:40)
   3. The SELinux troubleshooting applet is no longer on the default Workstation install (bcotton, 16:41:58)
   4. ACTION: jlandato propose changes to the release criteria to reflect the fact that the SELinux troubleshooting applet is no longer in the default Workstation install. The criterion shoudl be dropped or modified to reflect reality (bcotton, 16:46:10)
   
   
7. Cisco openh264 repo (bcotton, 16:47:20)
   1. mboddu worked with Cisco to get it fixed (bcotton, 16:52:11)
   2. we cannot do anything on this as there was a delay on their end when I shipped them the rpms (bcotton, 16:52:18)
   3. A step has been added to verify that the files are really there before doing the repodata updates (bcotton, 16:53:30)
   
   
8. Open floor (bcotton, 16:54:54)
   1. Spins (particularly KDE) need to provide more input for the Talking Points (bcotton, 16:58:51)

Action items

1. fzatlouk to propose adding multilib upgrade to release criteria
2. bcotton to discuss mattdm's suggestion with releng
3. jlandato propose changes to the release criteria to reflect the fact that the SELinux troubleshooting applet is no longer in the default Workstation install. The criterion shoudl be dropped or modified to reflect reality

Action items, by person

1. bcotton
   1. bcotton to discuss mattdm's suggestion with releng
2. jlanda
   1. jlandato propose changes to the release criteria to reflect the fact that the SELinux troubleshooting applet is no longer in the default Workstation install. The criterion shoudl be dropped or modified to reflect reality
3. mattdm
   1. bcotton to discuss mattdm's suggestion with releng

People present (lines said)

1. bcotton (61)
2. mboddu (14)
3. x3mlinux (13)
4. zodbot (10)
5. nirik (8)
6. jlanda (3)
7. mattdm (3)
8. frantisekz (3)
9. dustymabe (1)