13:19:44 <juhp> #startmeeting Workstation WG
13:19:45 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Mar 11 13:19:44 2019 UTC.
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13:20:51 <juhp> I lost my script hehe
13:21:39 <juhp> #meetingname workstation_wg
13:21:39 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation_wg'
13:22:32 <juhp> #chair otaylor mcatanzaro kalev cschalle__ ryanlerch
13:22:32 <zodbot> Current chairs: cschalle__ juhp kalev mcatanzaro otaylor ryanlerch
13:22:47 <mcatanzaro> .hello catanzaro
13:22:48 <zodbot> mcatanzaro: catanzaro 'Michael Catanzaro' <mcatanzaro@gnome.org>
13:22:49 <cschalle__> I am here
13:22:58 <cschalle__> sort of, attending two meeting at the same point atm
13:23:18 <otaylor> .hello otaylor
13:23:22 <zodbot> otaylor: otaylor 'Owen Taylor' <otaylor@redhat.com>
13:24:23 <juhp> I make that 4 of us
13:25:48 <kalev> .hello kalev
13:25:49 <zodbot> kalev: kalev 'Kalev Lember' <klember@redhat.com>
13:26:02 <kalev> isn't this meeting supposed to be in 35 minutes?
13:26:04 <juhp> https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting
13:26:06 <otaylor> Just looking at the whenisgood I sent out, and it's pretty inconclusive - only 5 people responded, and no time is good for everyone - I may need to resend it post-time-change anyways, since I don't know how to interpret it now
13:26:14 <juhp> No tickets tagged for the meeting
13:26:41 <juhp> otaylor: sure that would be good
13:26:52 <juhp> anyone have other topics?
13:28:28 <otaylor> There are a bunch of incomplete f30 change proposals up for discussion in 30 minutes, some workstation related
13:28:49 <mcatanzaro> kalev: You missed American DST
13:28:57 <kalev> arr.
13:29:12 <mcatanzaro> (We're starting really late, actually.)
13:29:42 <otaylor> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Firefox_Wayland_By_Default_On_Gnome  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BootLoaderSpecByDefault in particular
13:29:44 <juhp> #info otaylor planning to resend query for asking revised best times for members to attend this meeting to get better consensus
13:31:01 <mcatanzaro> otaylor: I'm curious how the LUKS investigation is coming along? I keep running out of space on / due to /var/lib/flatpak and we had agreed to get rid of separate / and /home by default, but then reverted that agreement in favor of giving you more time to investigate LUKS....
13:32:39 <otaylor> mcatanzaro: sorry, my ability to work on that got mashed by some other things :-( ... but will try to pick that back up or find someone to give it to.
13:33:38 <mcatanzaro> Thanks
13:35:04 <kalev> otaylor: I suspect BootLoaderSpecByDefault change needs a lot of testing to make sure it doesn't break F29->F30 upgrades
13:35:28 <kalev> I've noticed several people mention that they got a broken system after os upgrade
13:36:57 <otaylor> yeah, the particular point here is that it's I guess in place, but the tracker bug isn't in the right state ...
13:37:08 <juhp> ah
13:37:37 * kalev nods.
13:42:29 <juhp> How was the testday end of last month?
13:45:00 <juhp> Any other tickets to discuss, or other topics?
13:45:15 <kalev> very quiet. mostly just Fedora QA testing
13:45:28 <kalev> http://testdays.fedorainfracloud.org/events/59 has the test results
13:45:28 <juhp> I see
13:47:28 <juhp> .bug 1684424
13:47:29 <zodbot> juhp: 1684424 – [ja_JP] [Firefox] Not able to commit Japanese input from the candidate list, on address bar or search field. - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1684424
13:47:30 <mcatanzaro> So if BootLoaderSpecByDefault is breaking upgrades... what do we do? Ask FESCo to defer the change?
13:48:14 <juhp> Blocker bug?
13:48:45 <juhp> mcatanzaro: might be prudent
13:50:28 <sgallagh> juhp, mcatanzaro: Yes, please propose any upgrade issues as blocker bugs to make sure they get properly tracked.
13:51:13 <mcatanzaro> Were any bug reports filed?
13:51:25 <juhp> Yeah that was what I wondered
13:51:30 <mcatanzaro> juhp: The input method issue is Firefox-specific, right?
13:52:00 <juhp> As far as I know - I think we haven't tested Wayland firefox
13:53:28 <otaylor> Hmm, think mstransky needs to provide more details on "Can you try firefox-x11 ? Firefox on Fedora 30 is running on Wayland by default which can cause such issue. Thanks."
13:53:56 <juhp> Well it is a start :)
13:54:04 <otaylor> maybe he's just saying that "it's possible that wayland causes such problem" rather than "I know of such a problem, try switching to x11"
13:55:16 <juhp> Last build was in Jan?? hmm
13:55:22 <otaylor> juhp: do you think your team can investigate that a bit?
13:55:26 <juhp> Yep
13:56:36 <juhp> I will ask fujiwarat to look at it
13:58:24 <juhp> I will be away next time when I was supposed to be sharing - maybe we need to update the chair schedule anyway - Ryan already chaired recently in Jan I think for someone else
13:58:40 <juhp> oops sharing = chairing
13:58:59 <juhp> So it would be great if someone could do it for me
13:59:17 <juhp> Well I send mail to the list too...
14:00:23 <juhp> I think we are out of time, let's stop here
14:00:34 <juhp> Thanks for the meeting, everyone
14:00:36 <otaylor> juhp: thanks for running today's meeting!
14:00:43 <juhp> #endmeeting