12:07:03 <mcatanzaro> #startmeeting Workstation WG
12:07:03 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Jun 17 12:07:03 2019 UTC.
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12:07:09 <mcatanzaro> #meetingname workstation
12:07:09 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation'
12:07:14 <mcatanzaro> #topic Roll call
12:07:16 <mcatanzaro> .hello catanzaro
12:07:17 <zodbot> mcatanzaro: catanzaro 'Michael Catanzaro' <mcatanzaro@gnome.org>
12:07:42 <cmurf> .hello chrismurphy
12:07:45 <zodbot> cmurf: chrismurphy 'Chris Murphy' <bugzilla@colorremedies.com>
12:08:07 <cyberpear> (there's a #meetingname command)
12:08:10 <mcatanzaro> Kalev is supposed to chair but he has sent in regrets so I'll run things I suppose unless someone else wants to
12:09:01 <mcatanzaro> I notice the new calendar entry did not send a meeting reminder to the list even though it is configured to do so, which is sad :(
12:09:13 <cmurf> uh oh
12:09:48 <mcatanzaro> langdon petersen ryanlerch: o/
12:09:57 <cmurf> file a bug :D
12:11:23 <petersen> hi
12:11:42 <petersen> .hello2
12:11:43 <zodbot> petersen: petersen 'Jens Petersen' <petersen@redhat.com>
12:13:09 <mcatanzaro> Well three people is not enough
12:14:11 <cmurf> Well we have no decisions to make anyway, so we can still talk about the things I tagged anyway.
12:14:29 <cmurf> I picked them because they already have decision made, just no progress
12:15:41 <mcatanzaro> You I see you tagged https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/95
12:15:48 <mcatanzaro> #topic website breakage, macOS Fedora Media Writer does not work
12:16:59 <cmurf> i can keep on infrastructure, see if puiterwijk can get websites 4.1.1 to revert to if it works, or 4.1.4 if he's got the time to fix it soon
12:17:53 <cmurf> I don't know for a fact we need the WG to actualy vote to remove the macOS URL
12:17:54 <mcatanzaro> That would be great
12:18:03 <cmurf> if it's busted, just remove it - wesites can do that
12:18:23 <mcatanzaro> We need five to make decisions, but there's nothing stopping you from taking commonsense action on your own ;)
12:18:47 <cmurf> well yeah I tagged it in case people want formality to stop me from what I'm planning on doing anyway
12:18:50 <cmurf> :D
12:19:33 <cmurf> so that's all I've got there, how about 56?
12:21:26 <mcatanzaro> I think we need more people to talk about zram
12:22:14 <cmurf> mcatanzaro: it's already decided to enable on LiveOS only, just no one picked up doing the work
12:22:24 <mcatanzaro> #topic zram
12:22:45 <mcatanzaro> OK
12:22:50 <cmurf> I've assigned myself. I'll ping anaconda team and see if they want a PR and where it'd go since I have no idea.
12:23:00 <cmurf> productimg thing has been deprecated in favor of something else
12:23:02 <mcatanzaro> #info Previously agreed to enable zram on live media only
12:23:17 <mcatanzaro> #action cmurf to ping anaconda team regarding how to implement
12:23:20 <cmurf> I'm guessing it's a systemd condition that tests for live boot, like a few other things
12:23:38 <cmurf> Plus anaconda owns the zram.service we want to use for this
12:23:48 <mcatanzaro> Do you want to close the issue when it's enabled for live, or keep the issue open to discuss enabling it always?
12:24:29 <cmurf> There might be another issue for that, I'll find it, and if not I'll open one. Either way, I'll close this issue once it's landed in Rawhide and tests out.
12:25:57 <petersen> (sorry I am also in another meeting ;-|)
12:26:00 <cmurf> One thing I'm looking at is swap on zram with higher priority (use it first), falling back to swap on drive.
12:26:25 <cmurf> vs moving to zswap with the existing swap on drive
12:27:32 <cmurf> I also want to dig into why some people who hit memory pressure are seeing their systems swap thrash.
12:27:41 <cmurf> It's possible there are kernel tunables that need tuning
12:28:58 <cmurf> let's move on?
12:29:03 <cmurf> I also see 96 tagged
12:30:08 <mcatanzaro> #topic Ryan leaving the WG
12:30:19 <mcatanzaro> This *definitely* requires more people to discuss :)
12:30:31 <mcatanzaro> But I'm sure we can agree to thank Ryan for this service
12:32:36 <cmurf> Absolutely
12:34:24 <mcatanzaro> #agreed Thank Ryan for his service
12:34:30 <petersen> Thanks Ryan!
12:35:16 <mcatanzaro> #info Discussion for filling open WG slot to be deferred as we don't have quorum at this meeting
12:35:19 <mcatanzaro> #topic Open floor
12:36:19 <mcatanzaro> Really I think we can close the meeting here, there's not much else to say with only three people, but: I suggest we go back to the previous meeting time (one-hour later) since Ryan has resigned. The earlier meeting time was mainly intended to make it easier for him to attend.
12:36:31 <mcatanzaro> I've left a comment in https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/94
12:36:39 <mcatanzaro> Also
12:37:01 <mcatanzaro> #info mcatanzaro pinged desktop-owner@lists.fedoraproject.org list owners to ask about dropped calendar reminders for this meeting
12:38:05 <cmurf> good ideas
12:38:40 <cmurf> So does changing meeting time require quorum? Or can we resolve that in the issue?
12:38:49 <mcatanzaro> #info mcatanzaro suggests we go back to the previous meeting time (one-hour later) since Ryan has resigned
12:39:05 <mcatanzaro> I think we can resolve it in the issue, yes
12:39:26 <mcatanzaro> Nobody is likely to object since we just did a time poll to see which times work for everyone.
12:39:48 <cmurf> Is it possible ryanlerch didn't see the time changed to the new time and that affected his resignation?
12:40:54 <mcatanzaro> cmurf: It seems unlikely since I sent many updates and notices, but I can ask
12:41:04 <cmurf> OK
12:44:07 <mcatanzaro> #action mcatanzaro to check with Ryan to confirm he's aware we moved the meeting time for him
12:44:12 <mcatanzaro> OK, that's all folks!
12:44:15 <mcatanzaro> #endmeeting