13:26:31 <aday> #startmeeting Workstation WG (2020-02-04)
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13:26:31 <aday> #meetingname workstation
13:26:31 <aday> #chair cmurf
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13:26:32 <aday> #topic rollcall
13:26:32 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation'
13:26:32 <zodbot> Current chairs: aday cmurf
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13:26:34 <aday> #info present: cmurf, tpopela, jens, kalev, ngompa, owen, mcatanzaro, langdon
13:26:36 <aday> #info regrets: aday
13:26:38 <aday> #info missing: mclasen
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13:26:42 <aday> #topic earlyoom and resource management discussion
13:26:44 <aday> #info Background is https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/119
13:26:46 <aday> #info We meet with Facebook's Tejun Heo and Dan Schatzberg to discuss oomd. They leave.
13:26:48 <aday> #info Neal recommends we proceed with earlyoom for F32. Future proposals involving oomd/systemd are interesting but still to far in the future for us to wait for.
13:26:51 <aday> #info Tomas not certain oomd will work well without machine-specific configuration. Michael thinks it should work.
13:26:54 <aday> #info Owen and Michael suggest we should experiment with setting MemoryLow configuration for mutter.
13:26:57 <aday> #info Chris wants to proceed for F32, but worries earlyoom isn't aggressive enough. Most users will reach for the power button before (RAM + swap) reaches 90% full and earlyoom kicks in.
13:27:02 <aday> #info Owen suggests this requires mention in the release notes, especially noting that applications will be killed early for users without swap.
13:27:05 <aday> #info Michael again proposes F33 instead of F32, but OK with implementing it right away either way. (F32 branches next week.)
13:27:08 <aday> #info Michael concerned about how to remove earlyoomd in a future distro update if we want to switch to something else. Neal proposes multiple solutions.
13:27:11 <aday> #agreed Proceed with earlyoom for F32.
13:27:13 <aday> #action Chris to change Fedora presets and update comps. Ensure earlyoom gets installed during distro upgrades with Supplements: fedora-release-workstation.
13:27:16 <aday> #info The WG discusses upgrades, and appropriate use of rawhide to test changes.
13:27:18 <aday> 
13:27:20 <aday> #endmeeting