13:26:31 #startmeeting Workstation WG (2020-02-04) 13:26:31 Meeting started Fri Feb 7 13:26:31 2020 UTC. 13:26:31 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 13:26:31 The chair is aday. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:26:31 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 13:26:31 The meeting name has been set to 'workstation_wg_(2020-02-04)' 13:26:31 #meetingname workstation 13:26:31 #chair cmurf 13:26:31 13:26:32 #topic rollcall 13:26:32 The meeting name has been set to 'workstation' 13:26:32 Current chairs: aday cmurf 13:26:32 13:26:34 #info present: cmurf, tpopela, jens, kalev, ngompa, owen, mcatanzaro, langdon 13:26:36 #info regrets: aday 13:26:38 #info missing: mclasen 13:26:40 13:26:42 #topic earlyoom and resource management discussion 13:26:44 #info Background is https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/119 13:26:46 #info We meet with Facebook's Tejun Heo and Dan Schatzberg to discuss oomd. They leave. 13:26:48 #info Neal recommends we proceed with earlyoom for F32. Future proposals involving oomd/systemd are interesting but still to far in the future for us to wait for. 13:26:51 #info Tomas not certain oomd will work well without machine-specific configuration. Michael thinks it should work. 13:26:54 #info Owen and Michael suggest we should experiment with setting MemoryLow configuration for mutter. 13:26:57 #info Chris wants to proceed for F32, but worries earlyoom isn't aggressive enough. Most users will reach for the power button before (RAM + swap) reaches 90% full and earlyoom kicks in. 13:27:02 #info Owen suggests this requires mention in the release notes, especially noting that applications will be killed early for users without swap. 13:27:05 #info Michael again proposes F33 instead of F32, but OK with implementing it right away either way. (F32 branches next week.) 13:27:08 #info Michael concerned about how to remove earlyoomd in a future distro update if we want to switch to something else. Neal proposes multiple solutions. 13:27:11 #agreed Proceed with earlyoom for F32. 13:27:13 #action Chris to change Fedora presets and update comps. Ensure earlyoom gets installed during distro upgrades with Supplements: fedora-release-workstation. 13:27:16 #info The WG discusses upgrades, and appropriate use of rawhide to test changes. 13:27:18 13:27:20 #endmeeting