15:30:13 <dustymabe> #startmeeting fedora_coreos_f36_changes_meeting
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15:31:44 <dustymabe> #chair jlebon travier lucab walters
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15:32:08 <dustymabe> will go ahead and get started so we don't waste time
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15:32:40 <dustymabe> #topic Identify Changes that shouldn't affect us
15:32:43 <dustymabe> #link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/918
15:32:47 <dustymabe> .fire zodbot
15:32:49 <zodbot> adamw fires zodbot
15:33:06 <dustymabe> so I linked to the tracker issue there
15:33:09 <dustymabe> but...
15:33:14 <dustymabe> We'll use this HACKMD to annotate some notes on: https://hackmd.io/kyMDKu25T76xAsUaSjMzHQ?view
15:33:19 <dustymabe> #link https://hackmd.io/kyMDKu25T76xAsUaSjMzHQ?view
15:33:38 <dustymabe> basically the goal here is to browse through the issues and state here why you think it doesn't affect us
15:33:46 <dustymabe> s/issues/changes
15:34:03 <dustymabe> add an #info XYZ change doesn't affect us because we don't use it in FCOS
15:34:06 <dustymabe> or something like that
15:34:14 <dustymabe> then add a note to the HACKMD with a similar reasoning
15:34:47 <dustymabe> for example
15:34:55 <jlebon> should we divide it up?
15:35:27 <travier> There is a double 'Changes' in all URLs
15:35:31 <dustymabe> #info 231 "Silverblue and Kinoite will have /var on its own Btrfs subvolume" doesn't affect us because we are our own edition
15:35:49 <dustymabe> travier: fun
15:35:49 <travier> Do you want to regenerate the content of the hackmd or should we edit it out?
15:35:59 <travier> I can find & replace
15:36:05 <dustymabe> travier: let me try to fix it real quick
15:36:24 <dustymabe> jlebon: if you want to divide it up that WFM
15:36:52 <travier> +1 for dividing so that we get a first pass and at the end we can over over the list?
15:36:59 <jlebon> +1
15:37:06 <jlebon> just write your name to the one you're looking at
15:37:07 <travier> We are 4 here?
15:37:36 <travier> 1 from the top, 2 from the bottom, 3, from the middle and up, 4 from the middle and down?
15:38:42 <dustymabe> well fixing this links just became harder :)
15:38:50 <jlebon> i'm starting from 126 going up :)
15:39:07 <travier> let's find & replace then
15:39:07 <dustymabe> we'll just do find/replace for now
15:39:31 <dustymabe> working on it
15:39:37 <travier> +1
15:39:56 <dustymabe> done
15:40:05 <travier> Looking at 201 and going down
15:40:44 <dustymabe> travier: note that all of them are 201 in the "edit view"
15:41:01 <travier> 👍
15:42:26 <dustymabe> please do remember to #info here
15:42:40 * dustymabe would like a record of decision/reasoning
15:44:01 <travier> #info 201. glibc 32 Build Adjustments: Not affected, we don't ship this package in FCOS
15:44:37 <dustymabe> I'll start from 231 and go up
15:45:01 <dustymabe> lucab: do you want to start from 102 and go down?
15:45:23 <dustymabe> remember all the goal is simply to find ones that clearly don't need investigation or discussion
15:45:53 <travier> #info 202. Ship BerkleyDB backend as a module: We don't ship this package in FCOS
15:46:53 <travier> #info 203 - Modular GNOME Keyring services: We don't ship this in FCOS
15:47:58 <travier> #info 204. Remove nscd: We don't ship this in FCOS
15:48:53 <dustymabe> #info 230 - "️Authselect: Require explicit opt-out" No action for us is needed. This change was essentially requested by us to workaround issues with writing to /var/ during RPM Scriptlets.
15:49:04 <dustymabe> #link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1051
15:49:24 <jlebon> ahh ok, I have to copy paste my comments into #infos here?
15:50:04 <dustymabe> #info 229 - "Cockpit File Sharing" - No changes for us. FCOS doesn't use cockpit directly.
15:50:08 <travier> 🙂 > <dustymabe> please do remember to #info here
15:50:20 <dustymabe> jlebon: a loose interpretation, if you don't mind
15:51:52 <travier> # 205. SOF as default audio driver for Intel LPE hardware: For audio devices, should not impact FCOS users
15:52:43 <travier> # 206. PHP 8.1: We don't  ship this in FCOS
15:53:03 <dustymabe> travier: :)
15:53:10 <dustymabe> #info 205. SOF as default audio driver for Intel LPE hardware: For audio devices, should not impact FCOS users
15:53:14 <dustymabe> #info 206. PHP 8.1: We don't  ship this in FCOS
15:53:25 <travier> whoops
15:54:14 <dustymabe> #info 228 - "Wayland by Default for SDDM" - DWM: No action needed. FCOS doesn't use the SDDM graphical display manager.
15:54:48 <lucab> (sorry I was in a side conversation)
15:55:42 <dustymabe> #info 227 - "Ruby on Rails 7.0" - DWM: No action needed. We don't ship Ruby in FCOS.
15:56:09 <travier> #info 207. Setuptools 58+:  We don't ship this in FCOS
15:57:07 <dustymabe> #info 226 - MLT-7 - No action needed. We don't ship the MLT multimedia framework in FCOS.
15:58:58 <dustymabe> #info 225 - Malayalam Default Fonts Update - No action needed. We don't ship these fonts in FCOS
15:59:56 <lucab> #info 105 - Autoconf-2.71 - not a runtime concern
16:01:13 <lucab> #info 107 - libffi 3.4 - mass rebuild should take care of this
16:01:13 <dustymabe> #info 224 - "Ibus-table cangjie default for zh_HK" - No action needed. We don't ship any ibus packages in FCOS.
16:02:59 <dustymabe> #info 223 - "New requirements for akmods binary kernel modules for Silverblue / Kinoite support" - No action needed. We don't support akmods based binary kernel modules.
16:03:11 <travier> #info 208 - Retired Packages: We should check that we don't ship retired packages (unlikely) but apart from that, does not apply to us
16:03:27 <lucab> #info 106 - Package information on ELF objects - skip, should be a transparent change
16:04:13 <dustymabe> #info 222 - "No ifcfg by default" - No action needed. We haven't supported ifcfh style networking configuration files from the beginning.
16:05:59 <dustymabe> #info 220 - "Django 4.0" - No action needed. We don't ship Django in FCOS.
16:06:41 <lucab> #info 108 - MinGW debug symbols location change - skip, should not concern FCOS
16:06:44 <jlebon> #info 109 - skip: we don’t ship dnf, we don’t turn on recommends, and “upgrades” work differently on FCOS anyway
16:07:00 <jlebon> #info 110 - This has affected FCOS and we’ve already adapted to it by working with the maintainer. All issues should be resolved now.
16:07:09 <dustymabe> #info 218 - "Users are administrators by default in the installer GUI" - No action needed. We don't use the Anaconda Installer.
16:07:26 <travier> #info 209 - Ansible 5: We don't ship this in FCOS
16:07:30 <jlebon> #111 - may affect users who use NIS+? likely not though. If so, we should direct them to e.g. LDAP or FreeIPA as the Change proposal suggests. so overall, skip.
16:08:00 <jlebon> #112 - no immediate action, though may affect users using OpenLDAP: "Years of development differ between these two releases, so problems are expected."
16:08:10 <travier> jlebon: missing 'info'
16:08:16 <travier> after the #
16:08:22 <jlebon> #info 111 - may affect users who use NIS+? likely not though. If so, we should direct them to e.g. LDAP or FreeIPA as the Change proposal suggests. so overall, skip.
16:08:22 <dustymabe> hmm
16:08:27 <jlebon> #info 112 - no immediate action, though may affect users using OpenLDAP: "Years of development differ between these two releases, so problems are expected."
16:08:31 <dustymabe> hold on
16:08:31 <jlebon> travier: whoops thanks!
16:08:36 <travier> :)
16:08:39 <dustymabe> did some stuff get deleted?
16:08:42 <lucab> #info 219 - GHC compiler parallel version installs - skip, should not concern FCOS
16:08:50 <travier> dustymabe: ?
16:09:08 <dustymabe> I was working on LXQt and then all of a sudden I'm above you travier
16:09:21 * dustymabe checks the list with the tracker issue
16:09:29 <travier> The view jumps for me too
16:09:42 <jlebon> #info 113 - this should be entirely transparent to us.
16:10:11 <jlebon> #info 114 - same as #111
16:10:14 <dustymabe> I forgot to update the tracker issue
16:10:17 <dustymabe> hold one sec
16:10:28 <travier> #info 201 - Rubygem Cucumber 7.1.0: We don't ship this in FCOS
16:11:37 <dustymabe> #undo
16:11:37 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by travier at 16:10:28 : 201 - Rubygem Cucumber 7.1.0: We don't ship this in FCOS
16:11:43 <dustymabe> #info 210 - Rubygem Cucumber 7.1.0: We don't ship this in FCOS
16:12:33 <dustymabe> ok all looks good - sorry for the scare
16:12:36 <jlebon> #info 115 - skip; we don't ship Java
16:12:58 <jlebon> #info 116 - skip; we don't ship or consume or monitor anything from EPEL/ELN currently AFAIK
16:13:17 <jlebon> #info 117 - this is from us :) we are already tracking and working on it.
16:13:34 <jlebon> #info 118 - no immediate action, but we should keep an eye out on any possible fallout from some OS components
16:13:51 <jlebon> #info 119 - skip; we don't ship a GUI
16:13:58 <dustymabe> #info 217 - LXQt 1.0.0 - No action needed. We don't use LXQt desktop environment in FCOS.
16:14:05 <jlebon> #info 120 - no immediate action needed from us, but we should keep an eye on Golang-related fallout in our Go-based tooling and OS components. should add 1.18 to upstream CIs once it's out.
16:14:37 <jlebon> #info 121 - skip; AFAIK none of our projects use LLVM directly (and AFAIK Rust has its own vendored LLVM)
16:14:47 <jlebon> #info 122 - skip; we don't ship Ruby
16:14:56 <dustymabe> #info 216 - PostgreSQL 14 - No action needed. We don't ship PostgreSQL.
16:15:05 <jlebon> #info 123 - skip; should mostly be transparent to us. At least rpm-ostree and ostree use the %configure macro so already get those flags.
16:15:18 <jlebon> #info 124 - skip; we don't ship fonts
16:16:15 <travier> #info 211 - Stratis 3.0.0: We don't ship this in FCOS today. Tracking issue for Stratis support in FCOS is https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/722
16:16:17 <jlebon> #info 125 - this regressed in rpm-ostree: https://github.com/coreos/rpm-ostree/issues/3418 which affects FSB, but not FCOS where we don't ship this
16:16:23 <lucab> #info 214 - Unit Names in Systemd Messages - skip, no action needed for FCOS
16:16:30 <jlebon> #info 126 - already tracked in rpm-ostree
16:16:37 <dustymabe> #info 215 - Plocate as the default locate implementation - No action needed. We don't ship mlocate so we won't ship plocate.
16:18:46 <dustymabe> if issues are no longer an issue please add a ✔️ in front of them
16:18:51 <dustymabe> changes*
16:19:27 <travier> #info 212 - Remove .la files from buildroot: This is for packaging only. Should not impact FCOS directly
16:20:56 <travier> #info 221 is a good candidate for discussion
16:21:58 <dustymabe> #info 213 - Remove Wire Extensions Support - No action needed. This is removing very old wireless encryption (WEP) support. By default we don't use WiFi in FCOS. There is no reason for us to differ from the rest of Fedora here.
16:22:00 <lucab> #info 125 - Hunspell Dictionary dir change - skip, already tracked in a rpm-ostree ticket, not a FCOS concern
16:22:42 <dustymabe> thank you all for digging into this - we've made a ton of progress
16:23:05 <dustymabe> I'll try to close this meeting out in a few minutes so we can have a short break before the next meeting in #fedora-meeting-1
16:23:14 <travier> 104 would be great if we added support in rpm-ostree
16:23:48 <dustymabe> for any items that don't have a check mark we'll go through them in the next meeting
16:24:00 <travier> +1
16:24:02 <travier> see you there
16:25:32 <jlebon> +1
16:25:41 <jlebon> endmeeting ?
16:28:47 <dustymabe> #endmeeting