15:30:25 <brainycmurf> #startmeeting Workstation WG (2025-05-13)
15:30:25 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue May 13 15:30:25 2025 UTC.
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15:30:25 <brainycmurf> #meetingname workstation
15:30:25 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation'
15:30:26 <brainycmurf> #chair Matthias
15:30:26 <zodbot> Current chairs: Matthias brainycmurf
15:30:26 <brainycmurf> #info Present members:  chris, tomas, michael, mattias, neal, allan, michel, jens
15:30:26 <brainycmurf> #info Regrets:
15:30:26 <brainycmurf> #info Missing:
15:30:28 <brainycmurf> #info Secretary: chris
15:30:30 <brainycmurf> #info Guests:
15:30:32 <brainycmurf> #topic Announcements, follow-ups, status reports
15:30:36 <brainycmurf> #info Discussion of Gemini note taking.
15:30:38 <brainycmurf> Summary is mostly useful and the transcript is less useful. Michael asked Gemini to start with its result and reformat it, and that's what was ultimately posted as an email. Concensus to use it again this meeting. Decision to enable Gemini notetaking was then made at this point during the meeting.
15:30:42 <brainycmurf> #topic Fedora is available for WSL
15:30:44 <brainycmurf> Generally works, lacks graphics support.
15:30:46 <brainycmurf> #topic Change: Wayland-only GNOME
15:30:48 <brainycmurf> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WaylandOnlyGNOME
15:30:50 <brainycmurf> #info The change proposal is coming before FESCo today.
15:30:52 <brainycmurf> It either needs to be deferred or needs a champion before FESCo because Neal isn't available to do that today. Upstream GNOME is waiting on Canonical
15:30:55 <brainycmurf> #topic inviting accessibility team members as guests
15:30:57 <brainycmurf> Conflicts next week, Mattias will see if they're available in two weeks to join us.
15:30:59 <brainycmurf> #topic Open Floor
15:31:01 <brainycmurf> #topic Minutes from previous meeting
15:31:03 <brainycmurf> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2025-05-06/workstation.2025-05-06-20.18.html
15:31:08 <brainycmurf> #topic Gemini summary of this meeting (experimental)
15:31:10 <brainycmurf> #info NOTE: Gemini was enabled after the discussion on Gemini note taking ability, so that part of the discussion is excluded
15:31:13 <brainycmurf> Gemini meeting summary
15:31:15 <brainycmurf> May 13, 2025
15:31:17 <brainycmurf> Meeting May 13, 2025 at 08:58 CDT Summary
15:31:19 <brainycmurf> Matthias Clasen inquired about the new Fedora spin for WSL, which Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) reported generally works but currently lacks graphical application support. The discussion then shifted to Neil Gompa (Conan Kudo)'s X11 sessions change proposal, awaiting a Canonical meeting and prompting concerns from Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) about a potentially contentious FESCo discussion due to diverging opinions on default display
15:31:24 <brainycmurf> servers. The accessibility team meeting, initially planned for the following week by Matthias Clasen, will be rescheduled due to conflicts with Red Hat Summit for Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) and Michel Lind.
15:31:27 <brainycmurf> Details
15:31:29 <brainycmurf> WSL Fedora Spin
15:31:31 <brainycmurf> Matthias Clasen inquired about the new Fedora spin for WSL, released with Fedora 42. Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) stated their Windows computer is too old to test it but relayed that it generally works, although graphical applications currently do not. Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) likened it to a container image or toolbox with system integration, and Matthias Clasen noted that graphical application issues might stem from missing packages or
15:31:38 <brainycmurf> detection problems with GTK and Qt.
15:31:40 <brainycmurf> X11 Sessions Discussion
15:31:42 <brainycmurf> Matthias Clasen brought up the pending decision on Neil Gompa (Conan Kudo)'s change proposal regarding X11 sessions. The upstream release team is waiting for a Canonical planning meeting, with a follow-up release team meeting scheduled for the next week. Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) mentioned that FESCo would discuss it again this week but they would be absent. Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) requested that someone familiar with GNOME, Wayland,
15:31:47 <brainycmurf> and X11 attend the FESCo meeting to support the proposal and suggested deferral if no champion can attend. Matthias Clasen noted the FESCo meeting time. Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) expressed concern over the Fedora Discourse discussion devolving, with arguments for making X11 the default again despite Wayland's progress. Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) emphasized the increasing burden of maintaining the X11 session with no upstream support and
15:31:52 <brainycmurf> suggested that upstream developers communicate this reality to FESCo. Matthias Clasen agreed to try and attend the FESCo meeting.
15:31:55 <brainycmurf> Accessibility Team Meeting
15:31:57 <brainycmurf> Matthias Clasen planned to reach out to accessibility people to schedule a team meeting for the following week, noting that the current week was accessibility awareness focused. However, Michel Lind pointed out that the following week coincides with Red Hat Summit. Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) confirmed their absence due to speaking at the summit, and Michel Lind would also be attending. Consequently, the accessibility meeting was
15:32:02 <brainycmurf> tentatively rescheduled for two weeks later, and the next week's meeting might be canceled.
15:32:06 <brainycmurf> #endmeeting