16:07:23 <brainycmurf> #startmeeting Workstation WG (2025-05-27)
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16:07:23 <brainycmurf> #meetingname workstation
16:07:23 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation'
16:07:23 <brainycmurf> #chair Michael
16:07:23 <zodbot> Current chairs: Michael brainycmurf
16:07:23 <brainycmurf> #info Present members: Michael, Allan, Matthias, Michel, Nieves, Chris, Tomas, Neal, Jens
16:07:23 <brainycmurf> #info Regrets:
16:07:24 <brainycmurf> #info Missing:
16:07:26 <brainycmurf> #info Secretary: Michel,
16:07:28 <brainycmurf> #info Guests: Luna Jernberg (bittin), Felipe
16:07:30 <brainycmurf> #topic Invitation to present at F42 release party next Thursday, May 29
16:07:34 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/480
16:07:36 <brainycmurf> #info Matthias can present provided he gets his laptop back
16:07:38 <brainycmurf> #topic  Improve the quality of the desktop wallpapers & ensure they're maintained
16:07:40 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/293
16:07:42 <brainycmurf> All the backgrounds are in one package now with proper obsoletes
16:07:44 <brainycmurf> #info Re: quality - there have been recent discussions but the issue is not updated for the past 8 months
16:07:47 <brainycmurf> Allan discussed with Madeline Peck from Fedora Design
16:07:49 <brainycmurf> No strong ownership at the moment, might be better to just delegate this to Jakub Steiner
16:07:51 <brainycmurf> Michael: no consensus among WG members about what wallpapers should look like, but there is consensus that there needs to be consistency between releases (like Ubuntu and GNOME)
16:07:54 <brainycmurf> Neal thinks there is visual consistency recently (watercolor / pastel) with some exceptions (F39, F41)
16:07:57 <brainycmurf> Michael prefers cleaner looks, and still does not think the current wallpapers scream "Fedora"
16:07:59 <brainycmurf> Michel: isn't the main issue that the design theme is not really publicized since we no longer publish release names
16:08:04 <brainycmurf> Allan notes that this conversation has been going on and on and we should just make a decision
16:08:06 <brainycmurf> Michael: vote since we don't have consensus, outsource to devel, other options?
16:08:08 <brainycmurf> Tomas: we talked about inviting Jef to this meeting, should we punt
16:08:10 <brainycmurf> Vote: More consistency between releases vs status quo
16:08:12 <brainycmurf> For:
16:08:14 <brainycmurf> Michael
16:08:16 <brainycmurf> Allan
16:08:18 <brainycmurf> Felipe (guest)
16:08:20 <brainycmurf> ~ Michel
16:08:22 <brainycmurf> 
16:08:24 <brainycmurf> Chris: wants structure, thinks code names can provide some of that
16:08:26 <brainycmurf> Jens: mixed. not really for codenames
16:08:28 <brainycmurf> Luna: no comment
16:08:30 <brainycmurf> Matthias: thinks 6 months is not enough time for codenames
16:08:34 <brainycmurf> Michel: agree there needs to be more of a design language for consistency, but thinks this is separate from codenames. Points out Ubuntu manages to do this every 6 months. Has not really used the latest Fedora backgrounds since codenames go away
16:08:38 <brainycmurf> Nieves: no comment
16:08:40 <brainycmurf> Tomas: liked the wallpapers until ~ F26-F29 so thinks we could use more consistency compared to recently
16:08:43 <brainycmurf> Michael: no consensus?
16:08:45 <brainycmurf> Michel: there probably is consensus for more consistency, we just don't agree on how (doesn't think Neal is pro status quo)
16:08:48 <brainycmurf> #agreed Michael: ask Fedora design team to incorporate more visual consistency but not let's not define it
16:08:51 <brainycmurf> no objection
16:08:53 <brainycmurf> #info Allan and Neal volunteer to talk separately with the design team
16:08:55 <brainycmurf> #topic Announcements, follow-ups, status reports
16:08:57 <brainycmurf> #topic Gemini notes for this meeting
16:08:59 <brainycmurf> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/774CUD5V546OLKAKMFKPTHPUB5SRLHOO/
16:09:04 <brainycmurf> #topic Open Floor
16:09:06 <brainycmurf> #endmeeting